Happy Tulo is an Above Average Hitter Again Day!

[glory]

Not really the same. Reyes always relied on speed. Speed is the first thing to decline. He's technically still a .280 hitter though. Reyes' defense became sloppy and that was more of a problem than the hitting.

 

Tulo is a far better player.

 

Reyes at age 31 had a 3.5 WAR, 104 wRC+, and .287 average (since BA was brought up by the smart poster who called everyone else stupid). The following season he fell off the face of the earth defensively and offensively. Tulo is clearly better than him, especially defensively, but age does not discriminate and Tulo's been average to below average offensively since the start of 2015. Now, if this hot streak is legit and he can carry it over to the 2nd half, then that changes things, but right now, I don't think it's fair to say "he is back". He could be, but hot streaks happen.

 

I'm in the camp that wouldn't mind trading him after this season, but a SS replacement has to be there (not Barney). With CWS's love of vets, maybe Tulo for Anderson is possible.

[HERPDERP]

let us keep in mind that Tulo has a NTC now, and he seems to be the type of person who doesn't want to go through the whole transition again.

[Dick_Pole]

See bolded part above. You are supporting my argument. With the Jays getting old and the potential for a WS dropping significantly after this year, why would you not move Tulo and his at least $78M in salary until 2021 if you have the chance.

 

Following baseball religiously since 1975 and know exactly where the Jays are headed after this year.

 

Will have to agree to disagree and next year I'll say "I told you so", yet again.

 

See Jim? Economist:

 

"Canada is doomed for a recession and a weak loonie next year unless oil goes to $80 then we're all good again"

 

I like how you bold "That's the building block of a .500 team on the fringes of contention" to prove your point but ignore the rest of my sentence "plus we don't know what Shapiro or Atkins would have up their sleeves to improve that roster."

 

At this time last year when the Jays were under .500 and the playoffs weren't on anyone's mind, I remember people lamenting the horrid state of the starting staff in 2016 and 2017. The Jays had two guys under guaranteed contract and Sanchez who may or may not an MLB-worthy starter in 2016. The team was projected to be a bottom-5 rotation. But thanks to two smart signings of Happ and Estrada by the front office and Sanchez learning how to pitch the Jays lead the league in starting innings pitched and are #8 in WAR. Things are so good that one of those two guys slotted to be in the rotation for 2016 has spent most of the year as AAA fodder. And all the guys except maybe Dickey are coming back next year.

 

So a 2017 team that has the building blocks of of a .500 team on the fringes of contention in July 2016 is a pretty damn good position to be in. Barring a rash of injuries or the front office completely falling off their rocker the team's 2017 situation can only improve.

[5minutesforframing]

See bolded part above. You are supporting my argument. With the Jays getting old and the potential for a WS dropping significantly after this year, why would you not move Tulo and his at least $78M in salary until 2021 if you have the chance.

 

Following baseball religiously since 1975 and know exactly where the Jays are headed after this year.

 

Will have to agree to disagree and next year I'll say "I told you so", yet again.

 

 

Oh okay, pack it up boys Jim has spoken, it's over.

[Jimcanuck]

See Jim? Economist:

 

"Canada is doomed for a recession and a weak loonie next year unless oil goes to $80 then we're all good again"

 

I like how you bold "That's the building block of a .500 team on the fringes of contention" to prove your point but ignore the rest of my sentence "plus we don't know what Shapiro or Atkins would have up their sleeves to improve that roster."

 

At this time last year when the Jays were under .500 and the playoffs weren't on anyone's mind, I remember people lamenting the horrid state of the starting staff in 2016 and 2017. The Jays had two guys under guaranteed contract and Sanchez who may or may not an MLB-worthy starter in 2016. The team was projected to be a bottom-5 rotation. But thanks to two smart signings of Happ and Estrada by the front office and Sanchez learning how to pitch the Jays lead the league in starting innings pitched and are #8 in WAR. Things are so good that one of those two guys slotted to be in the rotation for 2016 has spent most of the year as AAA fodder. And all the guys except maybe Dickey are coming back next year.

 

So a 2017 team that has the building blocks of of a .500 team on the fringes of contention in July 2016 is a pretty damn good position to be in. Barring a rash of injuries or the front office completely falling off their rocker the team's 2017 situation can only improve.

 

Agree to disagree then and let's see how it plays out.

 

Predicting this time next year Jays are 5-10 games under .500.

[Rusty_Savage]

Agree to disagree then and let's see how it plays out.

 

Predicting this time next year Jays are 5-10 games under .500.

 

How in the sweet f*** can you make a prediction like that?

 

There's way too many variables

[Jimcanuck]

How in the sweet f*** can you make a prediction like that?

 

There's way too many variables

 

Aging team with no farm system. At best, can tread water by overpaying free agents. Not Shatkins M.O. Hence the prediction.

[thatoneguy]

lol

[mikebel111]

lol

 

 

Jim has that false narrative again that we have no farm system. He loses all credibility right there. Is it awesome? No but its not empty, not close to being empty, but hey whatever floats his boat I guess

[thatoneguy]

Jim has that false narrative again that we have no farm system. He loses all credibility right there. Is it awesome? No but its not empty, not close to being empty, but hey whatever floats his boat I guess

 

I mean more at making a mid-season prediction for next year's mid-season without knowing what happens at the trade deadline or the offseason.

[wamco]

He is entitled to his opinion. The promising prospects in a ball might not help over the next calendar year is what I think he was implying.

[Jimcanuck]

I mean more at making a mid-season prediction for next year's mid-season without knowing what happens at the trade deadline or the offseason.

 

No worse than making pitching line predictions, which happens here on a regular basis.

[Jimcanuck]

Jim has that false narrative again that we have no farm system. He loses all credibility right there. Is it awesome? No but its not empty, not close to being empty, but hey whatever floats his boat I guess

 

Jays farm system is bottom 5 in MLB, with most of the prospects at low levels.

[mikebel111]

Tulo responds and won us the game today.

I admit before his last 3 AB's, I was worried as he had struck out 6 times in last 7 AB's, but as he proved it was just a tiny stretch. Tulo is still showing he has that offense back!!!

What a great recovery into Colorado Tulo!

[Krylian]

Jays farm system is bottom 5 in MLB, with most of the prospects at low levels.

 

Bottom 5? No way. Probably 17-20th or so.

 

It needs a lot of improvement...but bottom 5 it is not.

[FrozenRopes]

Not much tulo trade talk lately...

[Spanky99]

Not much tulo trade talk lately...

 

Have you read this thread?

[Rusty_Savage]

Aging team with no farm system. At best, can tread water by overpaying free agents. Not Shatkins M.O. Hence the prediction.

 

So you expect this team to be 15 to 20'games below where they are in a year. That's absurd

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Soft Tulo

 

Warm Tulo

 

Little ball of Fur

 

Happy Tulo

 

Sleepy Tulo

 

Purr Purr Purr!!!

[Dick_Pole]

No worse than making pitching line predictions, which happens here on a regular basis.

 

Most people who make pitching line predictions do so tongue-in-cheek. Everyone knows that the chances of predicting someone's IP, K, ER, BB and H with absolute precision is low.

 

Predicting the short term performance of one individual (in terms of "good" or "bad") has a lot less variables than predicting the performance of a whole team one year in advance.

 

Jays farm system is bottom 5 in MLB, with most of the prospects at low levels.

 

....or recent graduates to the MLB. Plenty of young and/or controllable talent on the current roster. Would it be nice to have a power hitting 1B waiting in the minors? Yes, but it's not the end of the world that there's not.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Most people who make pitching line predictions do so tongue-in-cheek. Everyone knows that the chances of predicting someone's IP, K, ER, BB and H with absolute precision is low.

 

Predicting the short term performance of one individual (in terms of "good" or "bad") has a lot less variables than predicting the performance of a whole team one year in advance.

 

 

 

....or recent graduates to the MLB. Plenty of young and/or controllable talent on the current roster. Would it be nice to have a power hitting 1B waiting in the minors? Yes, but it's not the end of the world that there's not.

 

Huh??? What is Rowdy then???

[King]

Most people who make pitching line predictions do so tongue-in-cheek. Everyone knows that the chances of predicting someone's IP, K, ER, BB and H with absolute precision is low.

 

Predicting the short term performance of one individual (in terms of "good" or "bad") has a lot less variables than predicting the performance of a whole team one year in advance.

 

 

 

....or recent graduates to the MLB. Plenty of young and/or controllable talent on the current roster. Would it be nice to have a power hitting 1B waiting in the minors? Yes, but it's not the end of the world that there's not.

 

Rowdy Tellez

[Olerud363]

Huh??? What is Rowdy then???

 

Rowdy is a fat kid. When Travis Snider was at the stage Rowdy is he was 1 month away from mlb...

When Dalton Pompey was at the stage Rowdy is he was also 1 month away from mlb...

When Vernon Wells was at the stage Rowdy is he was also 1 month away from mlb...

 

Those may not have been the correct decisions...

 

Maybe the new regime will not put Rowdy in the pennant race.

 

But there are front offices past and maybe even present that would.

 

Gibby would say...

 

Smoaky is killin us the the strikeouts... And Rowdy appears a few days later.

 

However

[Jimcanuck]

Rowdy is a fat kid. When Travis Snider was at the stage Rowdy is he was 1 month away from mlb...

When Dalton Pompey was at the stage Rowdy is he was also 1 month away from mlb...

When Vernon Wells was at the stage Rowdy is he was also 1 month away from mlb...

 

Those may not have been the correct decisions...

 

Maybe the new regime will not put Rowdy in the pennant race.

 

But there are front offices past and maybe even present that would.

 

Gibby would say...

 

Smoaky is killin us the the strikeouts... And Rowdy appears a few days later.

 

However

 

A chance he turns into a Prince, a chance he turns into a Smoak with borderline / s***** D. No one is slotting him into the lineup yet.

[Olerud363]

A chance he turns into a Prince, a chance he turns into a Smoak with borderline / s***** D. No one is slotting him into the lineup yet.

 

You could say that about any prospect.

 

He's reached the stage where he could get a call-up to the majors real quick. Many players at this stage get called up to aaa... if they are hot in triple a, they are in the majors.

 

Happened with a lot of guys.

 

If you go way back to 89 John Olerud was given at bats late in a key game against Os... without any milb experience.

 

Snider, Wells were thrown into "sort-of" pennant races in 99 and 08.

[mikebel111]

Here are Tulo's stats in his last 40 games

 

Average: .299

HR: 11

RBI: 34

Runs: 22

BB%: 7.0

K%: 19.1

 

Pretty good if you ask me

[Grant77]

Here are Tulo's stats in his last 40 games

 

Average: .299

HR: 11

RBI: 34

Runs: 22

BB%: 7.0

K%: 19.1

 

Pretty good if you ask me

 

That's right in line with his career norms. Just goes to show what an incredible player he has been.

[G-Snarls]

Good defense and anywhere near his career norms for hitting and I'm happy as heck

[BigCecil]

Here are Tulo's stats in his last 40 games

 

Average: .299

HR: 11

RBI: 34

Runs: 22

BB%: 7.0

K%: 19.1

 

Pretty good if you ask me

 

I've always liked Tulo as Jay. Some people forget the big hits he had for us in the playoffs 2015 even though he struggled in the regular season. He is a threat again in our order squaring up balls routinely. Just lengthens that line up so much more, as does Travis. If we stay healthy we are a force!

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Here are Tulo's stats in his last 40 games

 

Average: .299

HR: 11

RBI: 34

Runs: 22

BB%: 7.0

K%: 19.1

 

Pretty good if you ask me

 

More importantly, hitting .307/.355/.584 since coming back from in his injury. He's currently playing at MVP caliber level when you throw in his D.