Who do we target @ the deadline??

[fatcowxlive]

33 year old free agent at the end of the year. Probably not.

 

It's the Rays though. If the asking price for Rich Hill was that high (Espinosa) who knows what the rays will ask

[L54]

It's the Rays though. If the asking price for Rich Hill was that high (Espinosa) who knows what the rays will ask

 

There's a reason why Rich Hill isn't in Boston. You can ask for whatever you want, your return is dependant on what others will

give up. The Rays do not think they can get a top 20 prospect for Steve Pearce.

 

He is a great target though.

[fatcowxlive]

Why? We dont need pitchers. Theres not a lot of leverage to be had there. A good bench bat and Smoak platoon would be great though.

 

Excuse me? Our BP is s***. And we literally have only 1 starter (2 if you include Chavez) if a starter goes down with an injury... we need pitching and pitching depth. Offense should be a luxury. Especially with Bautista coming back

[Cyborg]

Excuse me? Our BP is s***. And we literally have only 1 starter (2 if you include Chavez) if a starter goes down with an injury... we need pitching and pitching depth. Offense should be a luxury. Especially with Bautista coming back

We have 6 average or above starters. We dont need another one as that would not improve anything unless we got an ace (Hill). Bullpen is fine unless we got an elite arm (Miller or Chapman). Neither are likely. Adding average to average just bumps an average guy down and doesnt do anything to improve. This is diminishing returns. Improving over offense weak spots (Carrera and a 1B platoon) creates immediate gain and you dont lose much. In fact improving the offense is exponential as it creates more PAs for JD, EE and co.

[jaysblue]

Why? We dont need pitchers. Theres not a lot of leverage to be had there. A good bench bat and Smoak platoon would be great though.

 

You can never have enough pitching. The last thing the Blue Jays need is to be digging for guys like Chien Ming Wang, Ramon Ortiz and the Aaron Laffey's of the world to be making starts down the stretch if one of their starters or two go down to injury.

[TheHurl]

It's the Rays though. If the asking price for Rich Hill was that high (Espinosa) who knows what the rays will ask

 

Rays don't tend to ask huge for their rentals, especially since they value players considerably differently than many of the low end clubs. But the market for Pearce should be pretty widespread. I think Cleveland will have a lot of pieces outside of their top 10 that the Rays would covet. If Cleveland doesn't go for a big fish, I can see him ending up there.

[Grant77]

Why? We dont need pitchers. Theres not a lot of leverage to be had there. A good bench bat and Smoak platoon would be great though.

 

I think we need pitching depth more than we need depth at 1B/RF. If we eventually need help at those positions, history has shown that we can acquire that cheaply in August (ex. Napoli, Utley, Venable last year). We also have suitable bench options in Lake and Bello.

 

Things don't look so good if we see a pitching injury or two. I don't like our depth at Buffalo and decent SP's rarely get dealt after the non waiver deadline.

[jaysblue]

We have 6 average or above starters. We dont need another one as that would not improve anything unless we got an ace (Hill). Bullpen is fine unless we got an elite arm (Miller or Chapman). Neither are likely. Adding average to average just bumps an average guy down and doesnt do anything to improve. This is diminishing returns. Improving over offense weak spots (Carrera and a 1B platoon) creates immediate gain and you dont lose much. In fact improving the offense is exponential as it creates more PAs for JD, EE and co.

 

Sanchez either gets shut down, or moves to the BP at some point from the sounds of it. He is either replaced with Chavez or Hutch. And stretching out Chavez likely will take around 2-3 starts. Plus, if you lose a starter to injury (e.g. Estrada, Happ, Stroman) on top of that, things are looking a bit thin. I agree that they could improve their offense as well, though if there is an opportunity to get an arm at a reasonable price, it doesn't hurt.

[Grant77]

You can never have enough pitching. The last thing the Blue Jays need is to be digging for guys like Chien Ming Wang, Ramon Ortiz and the Aaron Laffey's of the world to be making starts down the stretch if one of their starters or two go down to injury.

 

Cyborg's comments on this forum make it clear he's an intelligent guy, but hasn't had much experience with baseball. Lots of obvious stuff eludes him. The pitching thing is something you learn over time. Six starters is nothing if you have no depth. You bring up a great recent example.

[fatcowxlive]

We have 6 average or above starters. We dont need another one as that would not improve anything unless we got an ace (Hill). Bullpen is fine unless we got an elite arm (Miller or Chapman). Neither are likely. Adding average to average just bumps an average guy down and doesnt do anything to improve. This is diminishing returns. Improving over offense weak spots (Carrera and a 1B platoon) creates immediate gain and you dont lose much. In fact improving the offense is exponential as it creates more PAs for JD, EE and co.

 

Well when I'm talking pooling resources to get a pitcher I assume that we're aiming for an above average arm in the BP. Not Chapman quality but someone to be that #2 in the bullpen. I know we're not gonna get an elite starter like Hill, nor do I want one. But getting another elite arm in the BP will give us better depth incase we need to go to Chavez. There's still quite a few games left to go. Also judging by everyone here, what we give up to the Rays shouldn't effect what elite arm we get

[Cyborg]

Cyborg's comments on this forum make it clear he's an intelligent guy, but hasn't had much experience with baseball. Lots of obvious stuff eludes him. The pitching thing is something you learn over time. Six starters is nothing if you have no depth. You bring up a great recent example.

Not much experience with baseball lol.

[TheHurl]

Sanchez either gets shut down, or moves to the BP at some point from the sounds of it. He is either replaced with Chavez or Hutch. And stretching out Chavez likely will take around 2-3 starts. Plus, if you lose a starter to injury (e.g. Estrada, Happ, Stroman) on top of that, things are looking a bit thin. I agree that they could improve their offense as well, though if there is an opportunity to get an arm at a reasonable price, it doesn't hurt.

 

there is so little market out there so I can't see how the price is reasonable though. Unless it is a Tommy Milone type (and ugh...) who can replace Chavez in the pen and be there still for the spot start.

[TheHurl]

Not much experience with baseball lol.

 

he missed your post about your first Slo Pitch game of the season.

[TheHurl]

Well when I'm talking pooling resources to get a pitcher I assume that we're aiming for an above average arm in the BP. Not Chapman quality but someone to be that #2 in the bullpen. I know we're not gonna get an elite starter like Hill, nor do I want one. But getting another elite arm in the BP will give us better depth incase we need to go to Chavez. There's still quite a few games left to go. Also judging by everyone here, what we give up to the Rays shouldn't effect what elite arm we get

 

Tyler Clippard and Steve Cishek were the two that Cameron predicted for the Jays. But it's Cameron so it's really not noteworthy. I'll just delete my post now.

[Cyborg]

Obviously depth is important but that doesnt mean we would get value out of acquiring pitching. A team without 5 or 6 good starters has more of a need for a starter (think Baltimore) than we do. They would be improving 1-2 WAR with an average starter while we would add nothing except injury protection. This means that we would have to pay the same price for pitching when it is worth more to other teams than us. The depth is not worth the price just because of what we already have. Getting someone better than than what we have would help though, as it would actually improve both our in-season rotation and playoff rotation. This is why the only pitcher I would want is Rich Hill.

[Grant77]

Pitching injuries are unlikely to happen. I learned something new today.

[Cyborg]

Pitching injuries are unlikely to happen. I learned something new today.

Who told you that?

[TheHurl]

Pitching injuries are unlikely to happen. I learned something new today.

 

Jays have like 15 players from their 25 man under control for next year. You don't give up much for assets for an "in case of injury" move. Not to mention there is an entire month to make a trade after the deadline if injuries become an issue.

[Spanky99]

Cyborg's comments on this forum make it clear he's an intelligent guy, but hasn't had much experience with baseball. Lots of obvious stuff eludes him. The pitching thing is something you learn over time. Six starters is nothing if you have no depth. You bring up a great recent example.

 

No Grant, just, no.

[bendera3]

I wouldn't be against trying to get Anthony DeSclafani back if the price is right.

[Spanky99]

I wouldn't be against trying to get Anthony DeSclafani back if the price is right.

 

He'd likely be expensive at his age. I just want a reliable back end reliever, I like our team.

[Cyborg]

Rays asked for Glasnow and Meadows for Archer apparently.

[Spanky99]

Rays asked for Glasnow and Meadows for Archer apparently.

 

Whoa...

 

Edit: I would too, just in case...

[Boxcar]

Not much experience with baseball lol.

 

Yeah, get yer uninformed opinions out of here, pleb.

[Grant77]

No Grant, just, no.

 

You've watched the Jays long enough to know that we should always take the opportunity to grab pitching if we can. We've been very lucky with pitching health so far.

[Spanky99]

You've watched the Jays long enough to know that we should always take the opportunity to grab pitching if we can. We've been very lucky with pitching health so far.

 

I've also learned to zip it, when I'm out of my league.

[Grant77]

I've also learned to zip it, when I'm out of my league.

 

Meaning what? We're discussing trade targets, not theoretical physics.

 

Everyone claims that this is a great place to learn about baseball, but when you try to pass on some experiences to someone who clearly doesn't understand a concept then you get roasted for it.

 

Pitching depth can evaporate quickly in a pennant race and it's important to get what you can. I'll stand by that fact, history backs me up 100%.

[Spanky99]

Meaning what? We're discussing trade targets, not theoretical physics.

 

Everyone claims that this is a great place to learn about baseball, but when you try to pass on some experiences to someone who clearly doesn't understand a concept then you get roasted for it.

 

Pitching depth can evaporate quickly in a pennant race and it's important to get what you can. I'll stand by that fact, history backs me up 100%.

 

I don't even.

[jays4life19]

Meaning what? We're discussing trade targets, not theoretical physics.

 

Everyone claims that this is a great place to learn about baseball, but when you try to pass on some experiences to someone who clearly doesn't understand a concept then you get roasted for it.

 

Pitching depth can evaporate quickly in a pennant race and it's important to get what you can. I'll stand by that fact, history backs me up 100%.

 

lol.

[Grant77]

I don't even.

 

No worries Spanky. I've seen you agree with that in the past. It's pretty common knowledge, especially for long time Jays fans like ourselves who have seen it happen in the blink of an eye.