Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 Jays are handcuffed a bit this year and can't sign any one player to more than a $300,000 bonus. However, if I'm not mistaken their actual IFA pool is still over $2M. So they should be able to sign a few of these low 6-figure guys that might develop into something. My worry is that the Shatkins era doesn't focus nearly as much as the AA era on the IFA market. From what I understand, Cleveland wasn't really good with the IFA side of things, so we may be heading back towards a JP Ricciardi view of the IFA market. I sure hope not.
metafour Verified Member Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 BA just released their projections for all 30 teams. Anyone got access to the article?
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 BA just released their projections for all 30 teams. Anyone got access to the article? I'll post it later. When I'm not at work and/or not lazy.
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2016 Author Posted June 29, 2016 BA just released their projections for all 30 teams. Anyone got access to the article? Toronto Blue Jays Spending more than 15 percent over your bonus pool triggers the maximum penalty, which is the inability to sign any international players subject to the pools for more than $300,000 for two years. When teams go over, that’s typically what they do, but the Blue Jays exceeded their pool by just a hair under 15 percent, basically just to sign Vladimir Guerrero Jr. for $3.9 million. The penalty for going over your pool by 10-15 percent is a one-year ban on signings of at least $300,000, so unlike the Dodgers and Cubs, the Blue Jays will be back without restrictions in 2017-18. For this year, though, the Blue Jays are under the penalty, and it’s not clear yet who they’re targeting in their first July 2 with Sandy Rosario in charge. AND AS A CONTRAST TO THAT Atlanta Braves Between special assistant Gordon Blakeley, international director Marc Russo and Latin American scouting director Mike Silvestri, the Braves have three highly respected scouts at the helm of what should be a huge year for the organization internationally. The Braves decided early on that they were going to blast past their international bonus pool this year, with a spending plan that should look comparable to what the Yankees did in 2014-15 when Blakeley was with New York. That decision to be aggressive early on looks like it will allow them to capitalize on securing the top talent on the board, Venezuelan shortstop Kevin Maitan. Their proactive scouting also should get them Venezuelan Abrahan Gutierrez, who is expected to be the second-highest paid player from that country this year. Other seven-figure targets include Dominican shortstop Yunior Severino (No. 8), Venezuelan shortstop Livan Soto (No. 16), Dominican shortstop Yenci Pena (No. 32) and Dominican righthander Juan Contreras (No. 41). At one point, it looked like they might also sign Dominican righthander Yefri Del Rosario (No. 26), though it’s not clear yet where Del Rosario will end up. And that’s just the first wave. Dominican outfielder Joel Reyes, Colombian righthander Guillermo Zuniga and Venezuelan outfielder Antonio Sucre are all players expected to sign six-figure deals for the Braves. Expect plenty more to come in that group, both on July 2 and deeper into the year.
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2016 Author Posted June 29, 2016 We got no monay We got plenty. Just can't spend it all on one place like we did last year.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 We got plenty. Just can't spend it all on one place like we did last year. Excellent then Plus, early reports are fapworthy from last year's binge: http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/jeff-blair-show/future-bright-vladimir-guerrero-jr/
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2016 Author Posted June 29, 2016 ...was curious what they say about Cleveland. Sounds like the Shapiro era is not going to be good for the International side of things. Cleveland Indians The Indians are in transition mode internationally. After Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins left Cleveland to run the Blue Jays, Indians president Chris Antonetti and Latin American director Ramon Pena, who had run the team’s Latin American scouting the past six years, agreed to part ways in January. To replace Pena, the Indians promoted Koby Perez, who had been an international crosschecker for the team since November 2013 and previously scouted international players for the Phillies. The rest of the scouting staff remains intact, but the change signals a new approach. It also means the Indians got off to a relatively late start trying to lock down players for 2016, but they might still come away with some of the top talent this year. As ridiculous as it sounds to call a 16-year-old a “late bloomer,” Dominican shortstop Marcos Gonzalez started showing better tools later in the scouting process and has performed well against live pitching. He’s linked to the Indians and could be a bargain. What will happen with Dominican righthander Yefri Del Rosario is less certain—he might not even sign on July 2—but the Indians are one of the favorites to get him. Two other players tied to the Indians for low six-figure bonuses are Nehemias Celestin, a power-hitting Dominican third baseman, and Gaspar Palacios, a shortstop from Colombia.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 Is MLB eventually going to start including these players into the normal draft? Is that the eventual plan or no??
King Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 Is MLB eventually going to start including these players into the normal draft? Is that the eventual plan or no?? International Draft in a few years
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 International Draft in a few years So, similar system but still separate from US/Can players?
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted July 1, 2016 Author Posted July 1, 2016 Hearing that MLB had voided the contracts of 5 Red Sox signees in 2015 due to the team overspending and will not be allowed to sign anyone in 2016? Or something along those lines. Didn't have a chance to look into the details, but LOL at the BoSox.
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Hearing that MLB had voided the contracts of 5 Red Sox signees in 2015 due to the team overspending and will not be allowed to sign anyone in 2016? Or something along those lines. Didn't have a chance to look into the details, but LOL at the BoSox. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source-red-sox-banned-from-signing-international-players-for-a-year-153432545.html The five players declared free agents are outfielders Albert Guaimaro and Simon Muzziotti, infielders Antonio Pinero and Eduardo Torrealba, and right-handed pitcher Cesar Gonzalez, according to the source. They are free to sign with any team starting Saturday, the start of the new international signing period, and the first $300,000 of their bonuses will not count against teams’ bonus-pool limits. The players, according to the source, will keep their original signing bonuses from Boston. That could be interesting, we could get some $600K guys and stay under our $300K limit...
Maahfaace Verified Member Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source-red-sox-banned-from-signing-international-players-for-a-year-153432545.html That could be interesting, we could get some $600K guys and stay under our $300K limit... This should be more than just a 1 year ban.
Jonn Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2016 Posted July 2, 2016 Hopefully you're worth it Vlad Jr. Also nice to see Boston punished.
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2016 Author Posted July 2, 2016 Hopefully you're worth it Vlad Jr. Also nice to see Boston punished. I have a feeling we've seen the end of 7 figure international signees for a while. I don't get the impression that Shatkins are into it.
Key22 Verified Member Posted July 2, 2016 Posted July 2, 2016 I have a feeling we've seen the end of 7 figure international signees for a while. I don't get the impression that Shatkins are into it. Just remember the GM is under the guidance and control of ownership. For instance you are assuming that Shapiro didn't spend - how do you know he didn't want to spend but wasn't given the budget to do so? Toronto has somehting like double the payroll and at least double the market that Cleveland has. And Cleveland in 2016 is the team Shapiro/Atkins built and they seem to be doing quite well.
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2016 Author Posted July 2, 2016 Just remember the GM is under the guidance and control of ownership. For instance you are assuming that Shapiro didn't spend - how do you know he didn't want to spend but wasn't given the budget to do so? Toronto has somehting like double the payroll and at least double the market that Cleveland has. And Cleveland in 2016 is the team Shapiro/Atkins built and they seem to be doing quite well. Ricciardi didn't spend in the international market. Ownership? Maybe. AA comes in and is one of the higher spenders in that same market? Ownership again? Maybe. Shatkins in now in? History dictates that he doesn't spend in this market place. Ownership? Maybe. More likely... Whoever is running the show (GM and President) knows more about building a franchise and adding talent than a bunch of Rogers suits. Rogers says 'you have $X to spend. Figure out how you want to spread it out and build the franchise up. That's what we pay you for.'
Jonn Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2016 Posted July 2, 2016 I have a feeling we've seen the end of 7 figure international signees for a while. I don't get the impression that Shatkins are into it. Perhaps he doesn't see the value in it. Its a high bust market. Will see what happens. Its part of building a farm system. If hes not spending those funds in Latin America I would hope they would be reallocated elsewhere.
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2016 Author Posted July 2, 2016 Perhaps he doesn't see the value in it. Its a high bust market. Will see what happens. Its part of building a farm system. If hes not spending those funds in Latin America I would hope they would be reallocated elsewhere. I have no doubt he doesn't see the value in it. And yes...it's high risk high reward. Similar to drafting High Schoolers, but to an even high degree (coincidently...not many high schoolers were drafted, and far less signed this year as well). I like taking some gambles...maybe more than most. Playing it safe drives me nuts...a big reason I was not a Ricciardi fan in the way he stocked the farm system. I'm going to wait before I pass judgement on the Shatkins....but I already have one eyebrow raised.
Jonn Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2016 Posted July 2, 2016 I have no doubt he doesn't see the value in it. And yes...it's high risk high reward. Similar to drafting High Schoolers, but to an even high degree (coincidently...not many high schoolers were drafted, and far less signed this year as well). I like taking some gambles...maybe more than most. Playing it safe drives me nuts...a big reason I was not a Ricciardi fan in the way he stocked the farm system. I'm going to wait before I pass judgement on the Shatkins....but I already have one eyebrow raised. No I'm the same I couldn't stand the way we drafted under J.P. he just wanted to get guys up to the big leagues. Upside seemed irrelevant to him. You have to take some gambles and he absolutely refused too. You either have to try to hit a homerun like the Jays did with Vlad Jr or you have to find some diamonds in the rough that will sign for under 300k. But that means you're spending money anyway increasing your scouting force and your reach into that market.
THANOS Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2016 Posted July 2, 2016 I have no doubt he doesn't see the value in it. And yes...it's high risk high reward. Similar to drafting High Schoolers, but to an even high degree (coincidently...not many high schoolers were drafted, and far less signed this year as well). I like taking some gambles...maybe more than most. Playing it safe drives me nuts...a big reason I was not a Ricciardi fan in the way he stocked the farm system. I'm going to wait before I pass judgement on the Shatkins....but I already have one eyebrow raised. Atkins has been on record countless times discussing the importance of scouting and development in Latin America, so what makes you believe that they see no value in it?
TheHurl Site Manager Posted July 3, 2016 Posted July 3, 2016 Arizona Diamondbacks Jorge Despaigne, rhp, Cuba Sandy Martinez, c, Dominican Republic, $225,000. Atlanta Braves Kevin Maitan, ss, Venezuela (No. 1 prospect) Yunior Severino, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 8 prospect), $1.9 million. Abrahan Gutierrez, c, Venezuela (No. 15 prospect) Livan Soto, ss, Venezuela (No. 16 prospect) Juan Contreras, rhp, Dominican Republic (No. 41 prospect), $1.2 million. Guillermo Zuniga, rhp, Colombia Antonio Sucre, of, Venezuela Baltimore Orioles Boston Red Sox Banned from international signings during the 2016-17 signing period. Chicago Cubs Chicago White Sox Josue Guerrero, of, Dominican Republic (No. 33 prospect), $1.1 million. Luis Mieses, of, Dominican Republic (No. 36 prospect), $428,000. Anderson Comas, of, Dominican Republic (No. 37 prospect), $450,000. Lenin Sosa, ss, Venezuela Jenderson Caraballo, rhp, Venezuela Anthony Coronado, of, Venezuela Cincinnati Reds Alfredo Rodriguez, ss, Cuba Jayson Rijo, ss, Dominican Republic Cleveland Indians Marcos Gonzalez, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 27 prospect), $250,000. Carlos Vargas, rhp, Dominican Republic, $275,000. Nehemias Celestin, 3b, Dominican Republic, $185,000. Gaspar Palacios, ss, Colombia, $150,000. Jeikol Contreras, 3b, Dominican Republic, $100,000. Jesus Maestre, 2b, Venezuela Colorado Rockies Luis Noguera, lhp, Venezuela (No. 17 prospect) Yeikel Blandin, of, Venezuela (No. 21 prospect) Diego Blanco, rhp, Venezuela (No. 42 prospect) Detroit Tigers Wenceel Perez, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 23 prospect) Jhon Sandoval, of, Venezuela Enrique Bautista, of, Dominican Republic Ernesto Adames, of, Dominican Republic Houston Astros Freudis Nova, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 5 prospect), $1.2 million. Yorbin Ceuta, ss, Venezuela (No. 11 prospect) Angel Macuare, rhp, Venezuela (No. 40 prospect) Nerio Rodriguez, c, Dominican Republic (No. 43 prospect), $450,000. Deurys Carrasco, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 46 prospect), $480,000. Jeury Castillo, ss, Dominican Republic Jairo Solis, rhp, Venezuela Kansas City Royals Los Angeles Angels Adderlin Santana, ss, Dominican Republic, $150,000. Los Angeles Dodgers Albert Suarez, ss, Dominican Republic, $300,000. Miami Marlins Milwaukee Brewers Jean Carlos Carmona, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 20 prospect), $725,000. Pablo Abreu, of, Dominican Republic (No. 44 prospect), $800,000. Francis Tolentino, of, Dominican Republic, $500,000. Anderson Melendez, of, Venezuela Victor Maria, ss, Dominican Republic, $375,000. Yancarlos Cruz, ss, Dominican Republic Minnesota Twins Wander Valdez, 3b, Dominican Republic, $495,000. Jesus Feliz, ss, Dominican Republic. $260,000. Stamy Gabriel Urena, ss, Dominican Republic. $130,000. Francisco Martinez, of, Dominican Republic Prelander Berroa, rhp, Dominican Republic New York Mets Sebastian Espino, of, Dominican Republic, $300,000. Ezequiel Pena, of, Dominican Republic, $200,000. New York Yankees Roancy Contreras, rhp, Dominican Republic (No. 25 prospect) Saul Torres, c, Dominican Republic, $300,000. Jose Devers, ss, Dominican Republic Asdrubal Alvarez, ss, Venezuela Jesus Severino, of, Venezuela Christian Andrade, of, Venezuela Wellington Diaz, rhp, Dominican Republic Oakland Athletics Lazaro Armenteros, of, Cuba, $3 million. Marcos Brito, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 13 prospect), $1.1 million. Yerdel Vargas, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 24 prospect), $1.5 million. Kevin Richards, of, Dominican Republic (No. 39 prospect), $600,000. George Bell, ss, Dominican Republic, $500,000. Philadelphia Phillies Francisco Morales, rhp, Venezuela (No. 12 prospect) Brayan Gonzalez, ss, Venezuela (No. 19 prospect) Nicolas Torres, ss, Venezuela (No. 45 prospect) Juan Aparicio, c, Venezuela (No. 47 prospect) Jose Tortolero, ss, Venezuela Luigi Mujica, ss, Venezuela Pittsburgh Pirates St. Louis Cardinals Jonatan Machado, of, Cuba Johan Oviedo, rhp, Cuba, $1.9 million. Victor Garcia, of, Venezuela (No. 10 prospect) Carlos Soler, of, Dominican Republic (No. 35 prospect), $600,000. Franklin Soto, inf, Dominican Republic, $550,000. Diomedes Del Rio, of, Venezuela Roy Garcia, rhp, Dominican Republic Alexander Samuel, of, Dominican Republic, $100,000. San Diego Padres Luis Almanzar, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 2 prospect), $4 million. Gabriel Arias, ss, Venezuela (No. 4 prospect) Jeisson Rosario, of, Dominican Republic (No. 6 prospect), $1.85 million. Alison Quintero, c, Venezuela (No. 22 prospect) Justin Lopez, ss, Venezuela (No. 28 prospect) Tirso Ornelas, of, Mexico (No. 34 prospect) Michell Miliano, rhp, Dominican Republic (No. 48 prospect), $450,000. Yordy Barley, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 50 prospect), $1 million. Jose Manuel Guzman, rhp, Dominican Republic, $400,000. Carlos Batista, of, Dominican Republic, $400,000. Tucupita Marcano, ss, Venezuela Carlos Luis, ss, Dominican Republic, $200,000. Juan Vasquez, c, Dominican Republic, $100,000. Martin Carrasco, rhp, Mexico Augustin Ruiz, of, Mexico Luis Patinio, rhp, Colombia San Francisco Giants Gordi Santos, ss, Dominican Republic, $300,000. Ismael Alcantara, of, Dominican Republic, $300,000. Andrew Caraballo, ss, Venezuela Rafael Martinez, rhp, Venezuela Seattle Mariners Luis Veloz, of, Dominican Republic (No. 29 prospect) Tampa Bay Rays Diego Infante, of, Venezuela (No. 18 prospect) Roimer Bolivar, of, Venezuela (No. 31 prospect) Abiezel Ramirez, ss, Dominican Republic Angel Lopez, ss, Venezuela Luis Arcendo, ss, Dominican Republic, $100,000. Dewins Verbel, ss, Colombia, $100,000. Texas Rangers David Garcia, c, Venezuela (No. 7 prospect) Danny Drullard, of, Domninican Republic, $100,000. Toronto Blue Jays Washington Nationals Luis Garcia, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 3 prospect), $1.3 million. Yasel Antuna, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 14 prospect), $3.9 million. Ricardo Mendez, of, Venezuela (No. 30 prospect) Israel Pineda, c, Venezuela
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2016 Author Posted July 3, 2016 Big donut for the Jays so far it appears.
Nafro Verified Member Posted July 3, 2016 Posted July 3, 2016 Very disappointing, I would have liked to see a couple player's at least.
THANOS Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2016 Posted July 3, 2016 With all of Ross Atkins' talk about the importance of scouting and development in Latin America, you'd think the guy would sign at least one prospect from there..
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2016 Author Posted July 3, 2016 They were not big on the International market in Cleveland. It's reasonable to believe that they likely won't be here either... At least not like AA was.
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2016 Posted July 3, 2016 Is the kid that Oakland signed (George bell) related to the bluejays' George bell?
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2016 Posted July 3, 2016 Shatkins suffers from indecision since they take opinion from too many people Need a solid guy at the helm like AA, who brought over a superstar signing in Vlad Jr.
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