Colabello suspended 80 Games

[Dr. Dinger]

I'm sure the union would LOVE that.

 

The union would never agree to that. How tempting would it be to slip some PEDs into Pujols' metamucil to get out from under that contract? The union will never back down on guaranteed contracts. They already have them, and baseball is booming.

[Brownie19]

Shouldn't somewhere in these $50MM contracts be an opt-out clause for owners when players are found with banned substances?

 

Beat me to it as I decided to go off on another tangent. The question may be - do the clubs know which of their players are on PEDs already? Do they factor that risk in when they offer the contracts? I was telling someone the other day how the teams always seem to come out of this without any negative press. Nobody is questioning whether the Jays knew Colabello was on PEDs - even when there's a possibility they knew (and chose to do nothing) - or even that they were INVOLVED in it. Nobody talks about that side of it - but that would certainly cloud the possibility of giving the team an "opt out" clause.

[Brownie19]

The union would never agree to that. How tempting would it be to slip some PEDs into Pujols' metamucil to get out from under that contract? The union will never back down on guaranteed contracts. They already have them, and baseball is booming.

 

I F'ing hate Unions.

[Governator]

The union would never agree to that. How tempting would it be to slip some PEDs into Pujols' metamucil to get out from under that contract? The union will never back down on guaranteed contracts. They already have them, and baseball is booming.

 

lolol great point

[West Texas Forever]

******** on Dee Gordon, pretty sure he scored like 2 times the other night when I bet on the Dodgers to win, ass pelican

[burlingtonbandit]

They're going to have to do something though. The Gordon situation gives everyone an incentive to take something and the reward far outweighs the penalty. There's like what a less than 5% change of getting caught, and the reward is massive. A lot of people in this world will risk an 80 game suspension hell even a 160 game suspension for tens of millions of dollars.

 

There's probably a ton of players around the league getting really worried right now with 2 positive tests in the last week.

[West Texas Forever]

 

Let's see what other dirt comes out in the next few weeks.

[gbill2004]

They're going to have to do something though. The Gordon situation gives everyone an incentive to take something and the reward far outweighs the penalty. There's like what a less than 5% change of getting caught, and the reward is massive. A lot of people in this world will risk an 80 game suspension hell even a 160 game suspension for tens of millions of dollars.

 

There's probably a ton of players around the league getting really worried right now with 2 positive tests in the last week.

Yep, I'm guessing that the testing science is now catching up to the masking science in terms of PEDs. I wonder is Bautista is shaking in his boots now?

[BTS]

It's amazing how similar these two cases are. Unestablished player who had BABIP fueled breakout last year tests positive in the offseason, plays like complete s*** during the appeal process, then loses and gets 80 games.

[Dr. Dinger]

The Gordon situation gives everyone an incentive to take something and the reward far outweighs the penalty.

 

This is absolutely nothing new. Look at A-Rod's contracts.

[Angrioter]

******** on Dee Gordon, pretty sure he scored like 2 times the other night when I bet on the Dodgers to win, ass pelican

 

Shut up WTF!!

[intrigid]

The problem with allowing clubs to opt out of contracts is that it would only affect the players who still suck despite doping up. It will have no effect whatsoever on the Barry Bondses and Roger Clemenses of baseball. If the goal of anti-doping is to create a more even playing field then this accomplishes exactly the opposite.

[Angrioter]

Who tests positive for PED should play for the minimum salary the next 3 years.

[gbill2004]

Who tests positive for PED should play for the minimum salary the next 3 years.

 

That'd only benefit Colabello. Three year guaranteed contract baby!!

[Angrioter]

That'd only benefit Colabello. Three year guaranteed contract baby!!

If you decided to keep the player. Colabello is DFA candidate, but Dee Gordon is a positive asset

[gbill2004]

If you decided to keep the player. Colabello is DFA candidate, but Dee Gordon is a positive asset

 

Off PED's, I'd say Dee is a DFA candidate too.

[Brownie19]

The Marlins, so impressed and dazzled by Gordon’s play and personality, rewarded Gordon with a five-year, $50 million contract extension. He cried at the news conference. Nearly cried again last week when owner Jeffrey Loria presented him with a diamond-studded medallion that featured the Marlins’ logo and “333’’ on the front; and his name, number and message from Loria on the back.

 

 

Yeah no s***. It must be very challenging from an emotional aspect to know you dooped someone out of $50M and are receiving awards when you know your a dirty lying cheat. It must have been incredibly challenging to accept that award from Loria and look him in the eye - knowing the gig was up and he'd been caught. I'd cry too.

[Angrioter]

Off PED's, I'd say Dee is a DFA candidate too.

 

Dee can run and catch the ball at premium position.

[gbill2004]

Dee can run and catch the ball at premium position.

 

Can't hit though without PED's.

[Spanky99]

Shouldn't somewhere in these $50MM contracts be an opt-out clause for owners when players are found with banned substances?

 

Not in baseball, I know the NFL and NHL do, not sure about the NBA.

[Spanky99]

The union would never agree to that. How tempting would it be to slip some PEDs into Pujols' metamucil to get out from under that contract? The union will never back down on guaranteed contracts. They already have them, and baseball is booming.

 

Hahaha... well played Mauer.

[Brownie19]

Beat me to it as I decided to go off on another tangent. The question may be - do the clubs know which of their players are on PEDs already? Do they factor that risk in when they offer the contracts? I was telling someone the other day how the teams always seem to come out of this without any negative press. Nobody is questioning whether the Jays knew Colabello was on PEDs - even when there's a possibility they knew (and chose to do nothing) - or even that they were INVOLVED in it. Nobody talks about that side of it - but that would certainly cloud the possibility of giving the team an "opt out" clause.

 

nobody?

[Spanky99]

nobody?

 

Well, in Cola's case Shapiro and Atkins found out the day of the suspension, the MLPA don't let the players let the orgs know until the hammer comes down.

[Brownie19]

Well, in Cola's case Shapiro and Atkins found out the day of the suspension, the MLPA don't let the players let the orgs know until the hammer comes down.

 

That's what we're "told"...someone call Jesse Ventura!

 

 

I guess there's nothing to suggest it - and someone probably would have leaked it by now, but I can't help be curious if the organizations are "in" on some of this...

[Spanky99]

That's what we're "told"...someone call Jesse Ventura!

 

 

lol... BigCecil beat you to that joke.

[BigCecil]

Shouldn't somewhere in these $50MM contracts be an opt-out clause for owners when players are found with banned substances?

 

Its a good question. Obviously the union would hate it and I don't blame them. Its their job to negotiate the best possible terms for the players.

 

However, I think there is an element of good faith warranties in contract and common law that may usurp the CBA on this issue.

 

The team doesn't have to pay the player during the suspension, but the asset may not have been what was represented in the contract negotiation. The union will argue that that's a matter of due diligence, but if isn't disclosed by the player(which it wont be), its shifts the onus.

 

It would be a battle royale but I would not be surprised if the owners took a run at this issue if it keeps happening on big contacts like Gordons, even while the baseball business is booming. The Union isn't helped by some prominent players speaking out against cheating asking for "one and done" policies.

Edited April 29, 2016 by BigCecil

[Nafro]

Sigh. You do all realize every generation of baseball players have been on performance enhancing substances of one kind or another. It used to be "greenies" or amphetamine.

 

It is a game played to entertain us. I think a lot of people are failing to realize that baseball and other sports have always had a huge amount of PED use. This is not some new problem. The detection technology has just got better.

 

I bet a whole bunch of you would complain about the level of play if we really eliminated all of it.

[Nafro]

They're going to have to do something though. The entire history of professional sports gives players an incentive to take something and the reward far outweighs the penalty. There's like what a less than 5% change of getting caught, and the reward is massive. Almost all people in this world will risk an 80 game suspension hell even a 160 game suspension for tens of millions of dollars.

 

There's no one around the league getting really worried right now with 2 positive tests in the last week.

 

ftfy

[BigCecil]

Sigh. You do all realize every generation of baseball players have been on performance enhancing substances of one kind or another. It used to be "greenies" or amphetamine.

 

It is a game played to entertain us. I think a lot of people are failing to realize that baseball and other sports have always had a huge amount of PED use. This is not some new problem. The detection technology has just got better.

 

I bet a whole bunch of you would complain about the level of play if we really eliminated all of it.

 

Of course they have been (and are). I remember well after the strike everyone cheering on Sosa and McGwire, Bonds bashing home runs at historic rates while everyone turned a blind eye. Lots of players since then have been nailed too. There will always be players who use them because the risk/reward is worth it to them. Some will not get caught. Eventually politicians became involved and many of them had to testify before Congress. That moved the needle on the rules. Players like Bonds, who should be in the HOF, may not be as a result.

 

That doesn't mean the owners who are signing big deals and getting stuck with them when players are busted might not want to alter that equation that at some point.

[Stangstag]

Sigh. You do all realize every generation of baseball players have been on performance enhancing substances of one kind or another. It used to be "greenies" or amphetamine.

 

It is a game played to entertain us. I think a lot of people are failing to realize that baseball and other sports have always had a huge amount of PED use. This is not some new problem. The detection technology has just got better.

 

I bet a whole bunch of you would complain about the level of play if we really eliminated all of it.

 

Yup. All the people following the homerun races in the 90s had to know McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc were on steroids. Nobody cared, because it was awesome to watch.