How much has one start changed your opinion on Aaron Sanchez?

[Angrioter]

It's impossible to find perfect comps for a guy like Sanchez, lol. His tools are too extreme. Maybe at his max ceiling he gets less whiffs than Liriano but more groundballs.

 

But the overall skill set is kind of the same. I mean Liriano has had entire seasons where he couldn't find the strike zone. Sanchez will never have plus command. Maybe prime Justin Masterson is a better comparison.

 

He'll be his own unique guy though, whatever he becomes. But to be clear I still don't expect him to be a #2/3. I'd be happy with a guy that can last this entire season as any type of viable SP right now.

 

Liriano

9.27 K/9, 3.83 BB/9, 50% GB (raising since 2012), 13.2% SwSrt%

 

 

What about the good Brandon Webb?

[Laika]

Liriano

9.27 K/9, 3.83 BB/9, 50% GB (raising since 2012), 13.2% SwSrt%

 

 

What about the good Brandon Webb?

 

Good Brandon Webb filled up the zone and was a legitimate Ace. That's too lofty.

[Laika]

Still an odd number of called strikes for Sanchez, and a weird lack of whiffs. Only 6 whiffs today. 7 the game prior. In game one he had like, 16 whiffs or something like that.

 

I DUNNO WHAT TO THINK ABOUT AARON SANCHEZ AND IT BUGS ME

[Laika]

I believe

 

Actually, I rescind this.

 

I don't see a big enough change in the underlying skills yet to warrant making significant alterations to my opinion.

[Angrioter]

Actually, I rescind this.

 

I don't see a big enough change in the underlying skills yet to warrant making significant alterations to my opinion.

 

He's the same Sanchez with more luck. Same skill set

[Laika]

He's the same Sanchez with more luck. Same skill set

 

I think the K rate is a bit of an aberration right now and not supported by the underlying SwStr%

[Angrioter]

I think the K rate is a bit of an aberration right now and not supported by the underlying SwStr%

 

Tons of called K's. I wanna see him with Eric Gregg or Angel Hernandez behind the plate. Double digit K's for sure.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think the K rate is a bit of an aberration right now and not supported by the underlying SwStr%

 

I think he can get more looking Ks than avg with the comeback 2 seamer. He should throw the changeup more though. Not sure why they went away from it.

[Nafro]

One start no..three starts yes. I tried unsuccesfully to pry him from Ang in the BBDL. I think NJH may be correct about K rate, but I will take an increase of K rate slightly, a decrease of BB rate and the weak contact/high GB percentage. The combination of all of these are creating a decent 2-3 SP option.

[Slade]

His release point on his fastball is much more consistent, once he get's comfortable and confident with the secondary stuff he'll miss more bats.

[JosJos]

if we only we still got f***ing syndergaard, 3 young stud pitchers we woulda had BAHHHH!!

[Dr Negative]

if we only we still got f***ing syndergaard, 3 young stud pitchers we woulda had BAHHHH!!

 

SSS is way more marketable than SS as well. That is the real tragedy.

[THANOS]

All you have to do is look at his individual pitches. He got whiffs against TB because he used the 4 seamer more than against NYY. 4 seamer before today was at 13.5% whiff rate which is double last year. Also against TB he used 16% change ups and has a career whiff rate on the change over 20%. Against NYY only 6% change up.

 

Today he was basically 90% fastball so there will be less whiffs.

 

Simply put, the whiffs correlate with his pitch usage. The encouraging thing for me is that his 4 seamer generates whiffs now and it didn't last year.

 

Also you have to look at the opponents. TB very aggressive and some of the guys on NYY and BOS refused to swing because they knew they had a better chance to work a walk then actually get that fastball off the ground. Today there were moments when Sanchez was spamming the high 4 seamer but they were not swinging at it and thankfully the ump was giving the high strike. But I think if they took the bat off their shoulders against that pitch, you would have seem more whiffs.

 

Let's just hope someone talks to Sanchez and forces the battery to throw, at least, as many CU and CV as his 1st start in Tampa, going forward.

[Laika]

All you have to do is look at his individual pitches. He got whiffs against TB because he used the 4 seamer more than against NYY. 4 seamer before today was at 13.5% whiff rate which is double last year. Also against TB he used 16% change ups and has a career whiff rate on the change over 20%. Against NYY only 6% change up (according to fangraphs pitch/fx)

 

Today he was basically 90% fastball so there will be less whiffs.

 

Simply put, the whiffs correlate with his pitch usage. The encouraging thing for me is that his 4 seamer generates whiffs now and it didn't last year.

 

Also you have to look at the opponents. TB very aggressive and some of the guys on NYY and BOS refused to swing because they knew they had a better chance to work a walk then actually get that fastball off the ground. Today there were moments when Sanchez was spamming the high 4 seamer but they were not swinging at it and thankfully the ump was giving the high strike. But I think if they took the bat off their shoulders against that pitch, you would have seem more whiffs.

 

You have to be careful about connecting the dots like this with such a small sample size. Putting a bunch of things together in a narrative like this isn't necessarily productive or constructive and it can actually be misleading.

[Laika]

Well I mean you can see it when you watch the games can't you.

 

Aaron Sanchez hasn't gotten a lot of swinging strikes the last two games. He doesn't have a history of getting swinging strikes. To explain away a lack of swinging strikes as some correctable combination of pitch usage + the other team's game plan is just confirmation bias, probably.

[Cyris]

Tercet has been oddly absent in this thread for some reason.

I guess we will have to wait until Sanchez has a bad start to hear his opinion in this thread.

[spittin]

Umpire made some really bad strike calls, could have easily had 6-7 walks with a tighter zone

[burlingtonbandit]

Umpire made some really bad strike calls, could have easily had 6-7 walks with a tighter zone

 

That strikezone seems to be being called around the league this year. Every Jays game I've watched the strikezone has been massive.

[Daniel Labude]

Umpire made some really bad strike calls, could have easily had 6-7 walks with a tighter zone

 

Or if he had the umpire last night 0 walks...goes both ways there

 

Also, the 2nd game should have been 0 walks with a competent umpire as well.

[Angrioter]

[4thOFan]

Not impressed. Only fastballs, s***** command. Should be back in the pen soon.

[Trouba95]

Not impressed. Only fastballs, s***** command. Should be back in the pen soon.

 

Deactivate

[Krylian]

Not impressed. Only fastballs, s***** command. Should be back in the pen soon.

 

Lol.

 

Okay, tercet

[4thOFan]

Am I wrong? He threw something like ~90 fastballs and his command was mediocre at best. Walked 4 and could have been more if not for some generous strike calls. Not to mention his velocity was steadily decreasing. Don't think his success is sustainable only he gets his secondary pitches working but we'll see.

[Spanky99]

Lol.

 

Okay, tercet

 

That's not Tercet... that's RyanKalishfan from the Boston forum.

[closetjaysfan]

Am I wrong? He threw something like ~90 fastballs and his command was mediocre at best. Walked 4 and could have been more if not for some generous strike calls. Not to mention his velocity was steadily decreasing. Don't think his success is sustainable only he gets his secondary pitches working but we'll see.

 

Also he gave up 2 hits... I mean WTF? If he isnt throwing 9 innings of perfect game baseball he should be DFA'd imo

[Laika]

Am I wrong? He threw something like ~90 fastballs and his command was mediocre at best. Walked 4 and could have been more if not for some generous strike calls. Not to mention his velocity was steadily decreasing. Don't think his success is sustainable only he gets his secondary pitches working but we'll see.

 

He looked completely different in his first game vs TB (like, really good). Jury is still out on whether or not he's improved substantially. Last two games he has been like you said: mostly fastballs, almost no changeups, very few swinging strikes, and not so great command.

[puphood]

Angel belongs in the stands selling popcorn....he is # one for s*** calls consistently.....

[jays76]

Angel belongs in the stands selling popcorn....he is # one for s*** calls consistently.....

 

Angel is the absolute worst.

[jays76]

Am I wrong? He threw something like ~90 fastballs and his command was mediocre at best. Walked 4 and could have been more if not for some generous strike calls. Not to mention his velocity was steadily decreasing. Don't think his success is sustainable only he gets his secondary pitches working but we'll see.

 

Dirty Sanchez is filthy, is there a better #5 in the league?