Dan Shulman joining Jays broadcast crew next year!

[Krylian]

Good guy. This only adds to his awesome-factor, but his commentary and knowledge already ha him on an unreachable status.

 

And he has that smooth, manly voice that makes my knees weak.

[o2cui2i]

holy f***

 

hopefully he gets the main chair and Buck is bumped down to colour

 

and Tabler gets muted

 

muting Buck's echo would be nice.

[Spanky99]

Awesome! For 30 games. Hopefully it leads to full time!

 

Holy f***, never thought I'd see this again, is Buck doing the colour?

[Spanky99]

I'm loving this, thanks for the link.

[Spanky99]

Buck might slider over to colour out of respect for Shulman. He's the number 1 PxP guy in the sport so he shouldn't play 2nd fiddle on a regional broadcast lol.

 

Agreed.

[Key22]

Worse than teachers!

 

I can tell you - as a teacher - there's never enough time off. I moved to Asia where I get less vacation time but, unlike Canada, I get paid for it.

 

I was a bit shocked in Canada actually - two of the supposed "perks" of being a teacher is 1) the teacher pension and 2) summer's off. Unfortunately, in the case of number 1 - teachers pay 100% of the teacher pension which is 10% of your paycheque - gone. It's not a perk if you're paying for basically a glorified mutual fund that you have no say in choosing (eesh). And the summer's off - well you don't get paid. And if you don't have a full time position (most don't) then you may not even have enough to apply for EI - summer jobs are fine when you're a young guy - maybe you can do roofing like my friend - he made more roofing in two months than his entire year teacher salary - but man doing that at 50+ I dunno. And the full time teachers - well the average teacher week is close to 60 hours so it seems somewhat reasonable to add up the 20 hours per week overage and dump that into a holiday. When I worked private sector at 36 hours per week after 20 years or whatever we were getting up to 6-7 weeks "paid" vacation - so giving the teacher working significantly more hours 8 weeks of unpaid vacation seems reasonable.

 

Someone was upset about the seeming high paid and easy job teaching was - when I read that I usually wonder - if it such a great gig why aren't they doing it? You only need an A- average or better in your BA or B.Sc along with heaps of volunteer experience to get in. $50,000 or so in Student loans if you go to a cheapish university and then you basically have to spend ~10 years as a substitute teacher making ~$22,000 a year (and you need a reliable car) and treated like crap for those ten years - how many people remember that great substitute they had? So it's just hold the fort down and hope the kids don't set you on fire when you're not looking. Damn - give me that stupid unpaid vacation so I can spend those weeks eating canned tuna - me and the neighbor cat dined together often - I mean I'd date but when all you can afford is canned tuna and you smell like fish - well it's not exactly Daniel Craig.

 

So anyone out there in Jay's forum land with kids - for PETE SAKE - do NOT let your kids become a teacher - yes there are some old farts making good money sitting on their ass with a pretty fat pension and good salary and oodles of time off - but those days are gone for younger bucks. Do NOT let your kids become a teacher - Big fat waste of time and will likely ensure they wind up in the poor house.

 

Be an accountant/engineer/software geek/plumber/chiropractor/fitness trainer/ - no stress AT ALL - tedious yes - triple the money - and when you ask for a 2% raise and for the company to fix your working environment - it doesn't get debated for months in the press with everyone calling you a lazy over-paid prick.

 

Not like Baseball players eh? $10,000,000 to throw and catch and maybe hit a ball 1/3 of the time (bunch of failures). Paying these bums to make outs 6 times out of every 10 times they come to the plate - up to $30 mil for that level of incompetence. And they get 4-5 months off.

 

[GD]

Well, that was depressing to read as someone who's always considered being a teacher.

[Pulk_Pull]

[Krylian]

I thought Teacher's pay included the 2 summers off...so even though it doesn't show as "Vacation Pay" you are full compensated. Or are you saying that this isn't true and teacher salaries are 17% less than they should be because you're only getting paid for 10 months...

 

..and also..Dan Shulman is not a teacher.

[Brownie19]

I can tell you - as a teacher - there's never enough time off. I moved to Asia where I get less vacation time but, unlike Canada, I get paid for it.

 

I was a bit shocked in Canada actually - two of the supposed "perks" of being a teacher is 1) the teacher pension and 2) summer's off. Unfortunately, in the case of number 1 - teachers pay 100% of the teacher pension which is 10% of your paycheque - gone. It's not a perk if you're paying for basically a glorified mutual fund that you have no say in choosing (eesh). And the summer's off - well you don't get paid. And if you don't have a full time position (most don't) then you may not even have enough to apply for EI - summer jobs are fine when you're a young guy - maybe you can do roofing like my friend - he made more roofing in two months than his entire year teacher salary - but man doing that at 50+ I dunno. And the full time teachers - well the average teacher week is close to 60 hours so it seems somewhat reasonable to add up the 20 hours per week overage and dump that into a holiday. When I worked private sector at 36 hours per week after 20 years or whatever we were getting up to 6-7 weeks "paid" vacation - so giving the teacher working significantly more hours 8 weeks of unpaid vacation seems reasonable.

 

Someone was upset about the seeming high paid and easy job teaching was - when I read that I usually wonder - if it such a great gig why aren't they doing it? You only need an A- average or better in your BA or B.Sc along with heaps of volunteer experience to get in. $50,000 or so in Student loans if you go to a cheapish university and then you basically have to spend ~10 years as a substitute teacher making ~$22,000 a year (and you need a reliable car) and treated like crap for those ten years - how many people remember that great substitute they had? So it's just hold the fort down and hope the kids don't set you on fire when you're not looking. Damn - give me that stupid unpaid vacation so I can spend those weeks eating canned tuna - me and the neighbor cat dined together often - I mean I'd date but when all you can afford is canned tuna and you smell like fish - well it's not exactly Daniel Craig.

 

So anyone out there in Jay's forum land with kids - for PETE SAKE - do NOT let your kids become a teacher - yes there are some old farts making good money sitting on their ass with a pretty fat pension and good salary and oodles of time off - but those days are gone for younger bucks. Do NOT let your kids become a teacher - Big fat waste of time and will likely ensure they wind up in the poor house.

 

Be an accountant/engineer/software geek/plumber/chiropractor/fitness trainer/ - no stress AT ALL - tedious yes - triple the money - and when you ask for a 2% raise and for the company to fix your working environment - it doesn't get debated for months in the press with everyone calling you a lazy over-paid prick.

 

Not like Baseball players eh? $10,000,000 to throw and catch and maybe hit a ball 1/3 of the time (bunch of failures). Paying these bums to make outs 6 times out of every 10 times they come to the plate - up to $30 mil for that level of incompetence. And they get 4-5 months off.

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1354[/ATTACH]

 

That is the biggest load of s*** I've ever read. You are literally too stupid to in insult. You can't even count properly because teachers get 11 weeks vacation.

[AdamLindsMom]

I can tell you - as a teacher - there's never enough time off. I moved to Asia where I get less vacation time but, unlike Canada, I get paid for it.

 

I was a bit shocked in Canada actually - two of the supposed "perks" of being a teacher is 1) the teacher pension and 2) summer's off. Unfortunately, in the case of number 1 - teachers pay 100% of the teacher pension which is 10% of your paycheque - gone. It's not a perk if you're paying for basically a glorified mutual fund that you have no say in choosing (eesh). And the summer's off - well you don't get paid. And if you don't have a full time position (most don't) then you may not even have enough to apply for EI - summer jobs are fine when you're a young guy - maybe you can do roofing like my friend - he made more roofing in two months than his entire year teacher salary - but man doing that at 50+ I dunno. And the full time teachers - well the average teacher week is close to 60 hours so it seems somewhat reasonable to add up the 20 hours per week overage and dump that into a holiday. When I worked private sector at 36 hours per week after 20 years or whatever we were getting up to 6-7 weeks "paid" vacation - so giving the teacher working significantly more hours 8 weeks of unpaid vacation seems reasonable.

 

Someone was upset about the seeming high paid and easy job teaching was - when I read that I usually wonder - if it such a great gig why aren't they doing it? You only need an A- average or better in your BA or B.Sc along with heaps of volunteer experience to get in. $50,000 or so in Student loans if you go to a cheapish university and then you basically have to spend ~10 years as a substitute teacher making ~$22,000 a year (and you need a reliable car) and treated like crap for those ten years - how many people remember that great substitute they had? So it's just hold the fort down and hope the kids don't set you on fire when you're not looking. Damn - give me that stupid unpaid vacation so I can spend those weeks eating canned tuna - me and the neighbor cat dined together often - I mean I'd date but when all you can afford is canned tuna and you smell like fish - well it's not exactly Daniel Craig.

 

So anyone out there in Jay's forum land with kids - for PETE SAKE - do NOT let your kids become a teacher - yes there are some old farts making good money sitting on their ass with a pretty fat pension and good salary and oodles of time off - but those days are gone for younger bucks. Do NOT let your kids become a teacher - Big fat waste of time and will likely ensure they wind up in the poor house.

 

Be an accountant/engineer/software geek/plumber/chiropractor/fitness trainer/ - no stress AT ALL - tedious yes - triple the money - and when you ask for a 2% raise and for the company to fix your working environment - it doesn't get debated for months in the press with everyone calling you a lazy over-paid prick.

 

Not like Baseball players eh? $10,000,000 to throw and catch and maybe hit a ball 1/3 of the time (bunch of failures). Paying these bums to make outs 6 times out of every 10 times they come to the plate - up to $30 mil for that level of incompetence. And they get 4-5 months off.

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1354[/ATTACH]

 

You sir are a f***ing idiot. I am an accountant and my wife is a teacher. I can assure you I work almost twice as much, have infinitely more stress, have 1/4 of the time off and still make less. All this s*** about 60 hour work weeks is such a crock of s***. Not getting paid during the summers, yes bull s***. Paying 100% of the pension fund, yes ********. I'm sure you were a moron sociology or history major who had 0 marketable skills who thought I'll just go to teacher's college and make $95k per year.

[leaffie]

Average starting salaries in BC for teachers is $42,000 and average top of scale starting salaries is $72,000. They are all paid a yearly salary, so are paid for their numerous weeks off. An average teacher salary in bc after ten years is $90,000 plus. In alberta it is $100,000. Edited November 20, 2015 by leaffie

[burlingtonbandit]

He is right about the difficulty of landing a FT position though. You have to be a substitute for at least 5 years it seems now a days. A good way to land a FT position is to be bilingual. They are always looking for French teachers or teachers that teach other subjects in French immersion.

[AdamLindsMom]

He is right about the difficulty of landing a FT position though. You have to be a substitute for at least 5 years it seems now a days. A good way to land a FT position is to be bilingual. They are always looking for French teachers or teachers that teach other subjects in French immersion.

 

Or have marketable skills. The problem with teachers is it's a fall back job when people realize their history, sociology, psychology and anthropology degrees are useless. They need to raise the bar for teachers in Ontario. Should be entry level testing and on going testing. There are teachers at my wife's school who send out emails to the entire school riddled with elementary school level spelling and grammatical errors.

[Grant77]

I can tell you - as a teacher - there's never enough time off. I moved to Asia where I get less vacation time but, unlike Canada, I get paid for it.

 

I was a bit shocked in Canada actually - two of the supposed "perks" of being a teacher is 1) the teacher pension and 2) summer's off. Unfortunately, in the case of number 1 - teachers pay 100% of the teacher pension which is 10% of your paycheque - gone. It's not a perk if you're paying for basically a glorified mutual fund that you have no say in choosing (eesh). And the summer's off - well you don't get paid. And if you don't have a full time position (most don't) then you may not even have enough to apply for EI - summer jobs are fine when you're a young guy - maybe you can do roofing like my friend - he made more roofing in two months than his entire year teacher salary - but man doing that at 50+ I dunno. And the full time teachers - well the average teacher week is close to 60 hours so it seems somewhat reasonable to add up the 20 hours per week overage and dump that into a holiday. When I worked private sector at 36 hours per week after 20 years or whatever we were getting up to 6-7 weeks "paid" vacation - so giving the teacher working significantly more hours 8 weeks of unpaid vacation seems reasonable.

 

Someone was upset about the seeming high paid and easy job teaching was - when I read that I usually wonder - if it such a great gig why aren't they doing it? You only need an A- average or better in your BA or B.Sc along with heaps of volunteer experience to get in. $50,000 or so in Student loans if you go to a cheapish university and then you basically have to spend ~10 years as a substitute teacher making ~$22,000 a year (and you need a reliable car) and treated like crap for those ten years - how many people remember that great substitute they had? So it's just hold the fort down and hope the kids don't set you on fire when you're not looking. Damn - give me that stupid unpaid vacation so I can spend those weeks eating canned tuna - me and the neighbor cat dined together often - I mean I'd date but when all you can afford is canned tuna and you smell like fish - well it's not exactly Daniel Craig.

 

So anyone out there in Jay's forum land with kids - for PETE SAKE - do NOT let your kids become a teacher - yes there are some old farts making good money sitting on their ass with a pretty fat pension and good salary and oodles of time off - but those days are gone for younger bucks. Do NOT let your kids become a teacher - Big fat waste of time and will likely ensure they wind up in the poor house.

 

Be an accountant/engineer/software geek/plumber/chiropractor/fitness trainer/ - no stress AT ALL - tedious yes - triple the money - and when you ask for a 2% raise and for the company to fix your working environment - it doesn't get debated for months in the press with everyone calling you a lazy over-paid prick.

 

Not like Baseball players eh? $10,000,000 to throw and catch and maybe hit a ball 1/3 of the time (bunch of failures). Paying these bums to make outs 6 times out of every 10 times they come to the plate - up to $30 mil for that level of incompetence. And they get 4-5 months off.

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1354[/ATTACH]

 

I'd still encourage my child to be a teacher if that's what they want to do. I'm friends with a few teachers and we don't exactly compare our salaries, but it's rather obvious that they make more than I do as an Endangered Species Biologist, which took 5 years of schooling, maybe more for some. I'm of the opinion that people in the public sector should do that kind of work because they enjoy it and not for the money. I'm not going to pretend that I'm a big shot in line for an executive position, but I wouldn't take it if offered. If I only wanted money out of life, I would have gotten a business degree and sat in an office all day.

 

I'm sure I'll get another rant, but keep this fact in mind. Canadian teachers are in the 99th percentile for world earnings.

[Captain Adama]

He is right about the difficulty of landing a FT position though. You have to be a substitute for at least 5 years it seems now a days. A good way to land a FT position is to be bilingual. They are always looking for French teachers or teachers that teach other subjects in French immersion.

 

If you're bilingual you're set. However at my old job there were a bunch of people I worked with who were certified teachers but finding work for them was hell. They had to move to England for the year to get job experience and still had trouble landing substitute positions when they moved back to Ontario. If you want to land a position right away in the province, you basically have to work on a reserve.

[Molitor]

A lot of very good teachers (and administrators) out there are underpaid. The majority are overpaid though; just look no further than the current oversupply of teachers in Ontario as evidence. Lots of anecdotal evidence too from this thread. Even the teaching-sucks-woe-is-me poster agrees there is an oversupply.

 

Thus is the nature of the union: it crushes all until a mediocre equilibrium is achieved.

[Spanky99]

I thought Teacher's pay included the 2 summers off...so even though it doesn't show as "Vacation Pay" you are full compensated. Or are you saying that this isn't true and teacher salaries are 17% less than they should be because you're only getting paid for 10 months...

 

..and also..Dan Shulman is not a teacher.

 

Hah!

[Brownie19]

If you're bilingual you're set. However at my old job there were a bunch of people I worked with who were certified teachers but finding work for them was hell. They had to move to England for the year to get job experience and still had trouble landing substitute positions when they moved back to Ontario. If you want to land a position right away in the province, you basically have to work on a reserve.

 

This is all the proof you need right there that they have it pretty good...unfortunately the job comes with little to no respect anymore due too all the bitching and complaining...

[Spanky99]

Lots of video clips on Shulman...

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/dan-shulman-2015-blue-jays-were-like-a-piano-falling-from-the-sky/?row=1&row_id=1617657

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/shows/tim-and-sid-show/tim-sid-shulman-says-its-like-coming-back-home/?row=1&row_id=1617657

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/sportsnet-blue-jays-welcome-home-dan-shulman/?row=1&row_id=1617657

[Captain Adama]

This is all the proof you need right there that they have it pretty good...unfortunately the job comes with little to no respect anymore due too all the bitching and complaining...

 

How on earth did you come to that conclusion?? Because in no way did I ever get that perception from them at all.

[Captain Adama]

A lot of very good teachers (and administrators) out there are underpaid. The majority are overpaid though; just look no further than the current oversupply of teachers in Ontario as evidence. Lots of anecdotal evidence too from this thread. Even the teaching-sucks-woe-is-me poster agrees there is an oversupply.

 

Thus is the nature of the union: it crushes all until a mediocre equilibrium is achieved.

 

Oversupply of teachers? No, more like an underfunding towards education to a lack of actual positions. When I worked in my community placement, it wasn't uncommon to see class sizes over 30 students. Forget that teachers have to teach split classes, that's f***ing ridiculous. All actual research shows that students do best with practical, unsplit classes under 20 students.

[Grant77]

Oversupply of teachers? No, more like an underfunding towards education to a lack of actual positions. When I worked in my community placement, it wasn't uncommon to see class sizes over 30 students. Forget that teachers have to teach split classes, that's f***ing ridiculous. All actual research shows that students do best with practical, unsplit classes under 20 students.

 

I was always in the low grade of a split class and I thought it enhanced my education, allowing a few of us to go to high school after grade 7. Maybe it's bad for most cases, but certainly not for kids that aren't challenged in their own grade. I think that's one of the biggest problems in the school system. The smartest children are also the biggest problems because they find school easy and boring and act out. Getting 90+ on every test without studying is nice, but I remember not knowing how to study when I got to University. A failing grade on a couple of my first year mid-terms was a real wake up call.

[z3r0s]

I was always in the low grade of a split class and I thought it enhanced my education, allowing a few of us to go to high school after grade 7. Maybe it's bad for most cases, but certainly not for kids that aren't challenged in their own grade. I think that's one of the biggest problems in the school system. The smartest children are also the biggest problems because they find school easy and boring and act out. Getting 90+ on every test without studying is nice, but I remember not knowing how to study when I got to University. A failing grade on a couple of my first year mid-terms was a real wake up call.

 

I totally agree on the not learning how to study thing. I drank/partied my way through my first year of uni getting good grades, then eventually hit the wall second year. It was tough trying to learn on the go how to actually be a student.

[Captain Adama]

I was always in the low grade of a split class and I thought it enhanced my education, allowing a few of us to go to high school after grade 7. Maybe it's bad for most cases, but certainly not for kids that aren't challenged in their own grade. I think that's one of the biggest problems in the school system. The smartest children are also the biggest problems because they find school easy and boring and act out. Getting 90+ on every test without studying is nice, but I remember not knowing how to study when I got to University. A failing grade on a couple of my first year mid-terms was a real wake up call.

 

Oh Grant, you prodigy, you!

[z3r0s]

Oh Grant, you prodigy, you!

 

I don't really think its fair to say he's bragging. Its a legitimate experience people go through.

[Grant77]

I totally agree on the not learning how to study thing. I drank/partied my way through my first year of uni getting good grades, then eventually hit the wall second year. It was tough trying to learn on the go how to actually be a student.

 

I always looked down on my sister and made fun of her because she had to study for hours. I was quickly jealous of those same skills.

 

There's no easy solution though. What do you do with a hypothetical kid in grade 4 that has a grade 10 math and science skills, but grade 4 language and maturity levels.

[Grant77]

Oh Grant, you prodigy, you!

 

You're taking the wrong message from what I said.

[Captain Adama]

You're taking the wrong message from what I said.

 

I'm only kidding around, I know what you mean though. Its important to get challenged, that's why they came out with IB programs. But it's tough to find the line where kids are challenged and they get motivated, or discouraged.

[Grant77]

I'm only kidding around, I know what you mean though. Its important to get challenged, that's why they came out with IB programs. But it's tough to find the line where kids are challenged and they get motivated, or discouraged.

 

I considered taking the IB program in the first year it was offered until I heard about the 7:30 bus pickup. It's only offered at one school here, at the far end of the city. I've heard good things about it though and while a fair number of kids can't make the cut and drop out, it seems to be of net benefit.