Can the Blue Jays keep this going next year?

[Zaun of the Dead]

I hope I don't get killed for saying this. But I don't think we will make the postseason. Payroll will be going down, Price will be gone, our rotation will be very young and our bullpen very mediocre. mediocre might be a stretch. Boston will be way more competitive in the FA market and Rogers won't care enough to spend to keep the train rolling.

 

3rd in the East.

[Jimcanuck]

I hope I don't get killed for saying this. But I don't think we will make the postseason. Payroll will be going down, Price will be gone, our rotation will be very young and our bullpen very mediocre. mediocre might be a stretch. Boston will be way more competitive in the FA market and Rogers won't care enough to spend to keep the train rolling.

 

3rd in the East.

 

Of course that's possible. A lot of things need to go right for a team, even a well built team, to make the post season (2013). Which is why the 'window/all-in' approach is massively stupid.

[burlingtonbandit]

I hope I don't get killed for saying this. But I don't think we will make the postseason. Payroll will be going down, Price will be gone, our rotation will be very young and our bullpen very mediocre. mediocre might be a stretch. Boston will be way more competitive in the FA market and Rogers won't care enough to spend to keep the train rolling.

 

3rd in the East.

 

How is the rotation going to be very young? I highly doubt Sanchez and Osuna will be starting.. Bullpen is one of the better pens in the league if Sanchez and Osuna remain there.

[THANOS]

How is the rotation going to be very young? I highly doubt Sanchez and Osuna will be starting.. Bullpen is one of the better pens in the league if Sanchez and Osuna remain there.

 

With Shapiro at the helm there's a good chance that Osuna, at least, starts. Sanchez could very well be traded unless Shapiro has a plan to try and fix him.

[burlingtonbandit]

With Shapiro at the helm there's a good chance that Osuna, at least, starts. Sanchez could very well be traded unless Shapiro has a plan to try and fix him.

 

I disagree. Shapiro has said the team needs 2 starters implying both won't be starting. If anything he might trade both knowing their value might be at a peak with how volatile reliever performance is.

[Effit]

My guess is that there are about 2-3 mods just ITCHING to merge this thread somewhere.

 

It's been an incredible display of willpower.

[THANOS]

I disagree. Shapiro has said the team needs 2 starters implying both won't be starting. If anything he might trade both knowing their value might be at a peak with how volatile reliever performance is.

 

We need 2 starters, but that doesn't mean 1 won't be a depth piece, or maybe Dikey is getting traded? Osuna shouldn't be grouped in as a reliever, at least until you know what you have with him as a starter. It wouldn't fit Shapiro's MO to trade him yet. Sanchez could though.

[burlingtonbandit]

Sanchez and Osuna should be starters or die trying. Especially Sanchez. He represents more value as a s***** #5 SP than a high leverage reliever who doesn't get strikeouts. Either that, or trade him. But I'd rather try to bludgeon him into a #5 SP instead of paying $6-10M or whatever for a similar 4.00-4.50 ERA SP.

 

Osuna should obviously be a starter as he has top of the rotation potential.

 

I'm not so sure Osuna will hold up as a Starter. Already had TJS and his mechanics are pretty scary.

[Jimcanuck]

I'm not so sure Osuna will hold up as a Starter. Already had TJS and his mechanics are pretty scary.

 

Agree, i see a lot of risk in attempting to transition Osuna to a starter

 

He was a rookie and a damn good one, and there's nothing wrong with being a shutdown late inning reliever.

[dineke]

Osuna might blow up his arm next year but who cares? Every pitcher is at risk of blowing up. We need starters, relievers are a dime a dozen.

[burlingtonbandit]

I just don't like wasting the cheap years of homegrown players. Osuna put up 1.3 WAR this year as a reliever. Dickey put up 2.0 WAR and he sucks. Osuna could blow his arm out next year in the rotation and still probably put up 1.3 WAR.

 

In 2014, Hutchison put up 2.3 WAR. Osuna is more talented than Hutchison. So instead of the ~1.5 WAR he gives you as a reliever, you could be getting at least that in the rotation + the chance at something like 2.5-3 WAR. And who knows, maybe as high as 4 or 5 if he really turns into something.

 

The amount of surplus value you are foregoing just to keep him as a reliever is possibly something like $10M a year at a minimum. It could go as high as $20-30M in subsequent seasons.

 

And for what? Because he's a good reliever? Good relievers are everywhere. We just turned Hendriks into a reliever who is arguably better than Osuna.

 

Thats why I'm in favour of trading Osuna in the right package. I don't think there is any realistic chance of Osuna being an ace because that is what a 5 win starter is. Also the reason Dickey is so valuable is because of the durability which is the concern of Osuna. Osuna isn't throwing anywhere close to 210 innings anytime soon.

[CJ-Freeway]

To be honest, we need an ace or otherwise I don't see how we could potentially win the division. Right now I'd say we're an 86 wins team without Price.

[Captain Adama]

Thats why I'm in favour of trading Osuna in the right package. I don't think there is any realistic chance of Osuna being an ace because that is what a 5 win starter is. Also the reason Dickey is so valuable is because of the durability which is the concern of Osuna. Osuna isn't throwing anywhere close to 210 innings anytime soon.

 

Even if you get 160 innings out of Osuna you insert him into the rotation. He's so much more valuable there.

[dineke]

To be honest, we need an ace or otherwise I don't see how we could potentially win the division. Right now I'd say we're an 86 wins team without Price.

 

Stroman

[burlingtonbandit]

Even if you get 160 innings out of Osuna you insert him into the rotation. He's so much more valuable there.

 

Doubt he pitches that many. Can't forget there's probably a big drop off in performance if he moves to the rotation as well. HR ball was a problem for him in the minors and if he moves to the rotation it will only be worse I would think.

[CJ-Freeway]

Stroman

 

Stroman is awesome but he's not an ace. He's a solid #2.

[Captain Adama]

Doubt he pitches that many. Can't forget there's probably a big drop off in performance if he moves to the rotation as well. HR ball was a problem for him in the minors and if he moves to the rotation it will only be worse I would think.

 

Moving to the rotation would be more of a problem if he had less than 3 useable pitches. But that's not the case.

[dineke]

Stroman is awesome but he's not an ace. He's a solid #2.

 

Stroman is a God, that's a fact. Don't f***ing disrespect him.

[Krylian]

Stroman is a God, that's a fact. Don't f***ing disrespect him.

 

God doesn't have hair like that

[CJ-Freeway]

Your post was pretty bad though. A baseball team doesn't "need" anything to be successful. There are numerous ways to produce and prevent runs.

 

I disagree. Your post is bad too: the AL East is not impossible to win without an ace, but it's going to be really, really, REALLY tough. Before we had Price and Tulo we had a .500 record. Price was the missing piece of the puzzle that allowed us to win the division. Obviously Stroman and Tulo played a role but I would argue that Price's impact was greater.

[CJ-Freeway]

Stroman is a God, that's a fact. Don't f***ing disrespect him.

 

How did I disrespect him? I said he's awesome but not an ace. I would think that most Jays fans would know that, even though he's pretty badass.

[dineke]

I disagree. Your post is bad too: the AL East is not impossible to win without an ace, but it's going to be really, really, REALLY tough. Before we had Price and Tulo we had a .500 record. Price was the missing piece of the puzzle that allowed us to win the division. Obviously Stroman and Tulo played a role but I would argue that Price's impact was greater.

 

Price played a role but our offense raping the s*** out of the ball was the biggest factor. Replace Price's 10 starts with a full year of Stroman and there wont be a drop off.

 

The AL East have been won by many teams without an "ace" but of course you wont hear any of it probably. Derp.

[burlingtonbandit]

Price played a role but our offense raping the s*** out of the ball was the biggest factor. Replace Price's 10 starts with a full year of Stroman and there wont be a drop off.

 

The AL East have been won by many teams without an "ace" but of course you wont hear any of it probably. Derp.

 

The issue is the rotation without an upgrade to a number 2 starter isn't a world series contending rotation.

[RealAccountant]

i'm not so sure osuna will hold up as a starter. Already had tjs and his mechanics are pretty scary.

 

lol

[dineke]

The issue is the rotation without an upgrade to a number 2 starter isn't a world series contending rotation.

 

If you get into the playoffs then you're a WS contender. They need to fill their rotation with a couple of starters but they don't need an "ace'.

[CJ-Freeway]

Price played a role but our offense raping the s*** out of the ball was the biggest factor. Replace Price's 10 starts with a full year of Stroman and there wont be a drop off.

 

The AL East have been won by many teams without an "ace" but of course you wont hear any of it probably. Derp.

 

True, our offense is legit. But I still think we need a Price type of guy to help us get to the top. Price type of guy-Stro-Marco-Dickey-Hutch or some other dude and we got ourselves a heavy weight team.

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[burlingtonbandit]

If you get into the playoffs then you're a WS contender. They need to fill their rotation with a couple of starters but they don't need an "ace'.

 

They don't need an "ace" but they need at least a number 2/3 starter probably 2. Dickey and hutch starting half your games in the postseason isn't going to give you a good chance of advancing.

[Key22]

For a bit more money that One David Price - the Jays could sign both Jordan Zimmerman and Wei-Yin Chen. Zimmerman is 1 year younger than price and although Zimmerman seems to have people talking about injury concerns that kin dof baffles me since he has pitched more than 195 inning 4 straight years. The pundits keep saying he is in the second tier and won't command the dollars or years. I find it odd but anyway if true I'd rather him and Chen than one Price.

 

Free agents pitchers may not love our park - but these are athletes and they like challenges (the one's worth a damn anyway) and our defense and offense have to be attractive to a pitcher who would like to be able to get a W even when they have an off night. See Hutchison,.

 

Zimmerman

Stroman

Chen

Estrada

Dickey

(Sanchez, Hutchison, FA swing man,).

[Atothe]

For a bit more money that One David Price - the Jays could sign both Jordan Zimmerman and Wei-Yin Chen. Zimmerman is 1 year younger than price and although Zimmerman seems to have people talking about injury concerns that kin dof baffles me since he has pitched more than 195 inning 4 straight years. The pundits keep saying he is in the second tier and won't command the dollars or years. I find it odd but anyway if true I'd rather him and Chen than one Price.

 

Free agents pitchers may not love our park - but these are athletes and they like challenges (the one's worth a damn anyway) and our defense and offense have to be attractive to a pitcher who would like to be able to get a W even when they have an off night. See Hutchison,.

 

Zimmerman

Stroman

Chen

Estrada

Dickey

(Sanchez, Hutchison, FA swing man,).

 

So spend all our free agent money on pitching?