Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Laika]

 

Jesus, that's a hot streak.

 

I don't really find any K rate that starts with a 2 that concerning anymore, especially if the guy takes his walks.

[Laika]

Could you post the mid-season top 100, please?

 

I don't think it even is an updated ranking. Just the same as preseason but graduation adjusted

[Laika]

Olympic rosters might give us a Simeon Woods Richardson vs Jose Bautista plate appearance

[InsideThePark]

Over the last two games he’s 8-10, with 4 HR, 2 doubles, 12 RBI, and 2 walks.

 

Raised his OPS 90 points over the last 2 games. 230 at bats into the season that feels impossible but when you hit a HR every other at bat.

[G-Snarls]

Jesus, that's a hot streak.

 

I don't really find any K rate that starts with a 2 that concerning anymore, especially if the guy takes his walks.

 

Hitting better than Martin

[Benito]

Manuel Beltre also had a real good day: 3-for-4 with a walk. No K’s. He actually has more walks than K’s this season (short sample obviously). One to look out for, because he was heralded as one of the more highly touted hitting prospects coming out of the IFA class.

 

Shatkins is keeping that pipeline strong. I’m ready for the next wave of stud prospects after Moreno/Martin/Groshans. Has to be the deepest farm system the Jays have had in a while.

 

I think this is the deepest and richest farm Jays have ever had. Our top 10 is loaded with high end prospects. Top 8 have or could be in top 100 prospects. What's also amazing is that it's been sustained for few years now, and the success rate to the majors have been high. I can't think of many busts. The scouting and development departments have really worked well in tandem to continue to produce above average major leaguers. This is the model I've wanted for this franchise for a long time.

[InvincibleTiger]

I think this is the deepest and richest farm Jays have ever had. Our top 10 is loaded with high end prospects. Top 8 have or could be in top 100 prospects. What's also amazing is that it's been sustained for few years now, and the success rate to the majors have been high. I can't think of many busts. The scouting and development departments have really worked well in tandem to continue to produce above average major leaguers. This is the model I've wanted for this franchise for a long time.

 

So refreshing as compared to previous regimes.

[max silver]

So refreshing as compared to previous regimes.

 

Another bonus is that this regime isn't going to treat the minor league system players like Pokemon cards and trade all the good prospects away for expensive aging veterans.

[Laika]

Manuel Beltre also had a real good day: 3-for-4 with a walk. No K’s. He actually has more walks than K’s this season (short sample obviously). One to look out for, because he was heralded as one of the more highly touted hitting prospects coming out of the IFA class.

 

Shatkins is keeping that pipeline strong. I’m ready for the next wave of stud prospects after Moreno/Martin/Groshans. Has to be the deepest farm system the Jays have had in a while.

 

It sounds like the report on Beltre is that he's very advanced / experienced as far as international prospects go but not as high upside or toolsy as some other kids.

 

It will be interesting to see how his tools play against pro competition in a couple of years.

[InvincibleTiger]

Machado hasn't played since June 30

[Daniel Labude]

Machado hasn't played since June 30

 

PR for after a single in his first AB. Probably injured something but hasn't been put on the IL

[Dr. Dinger]

Another bonus is that this regime isn't going to treat the minor league system players like Pokemon cards and trade all the good prospects away for expensive aging veterans.

 

None of our regimes ever did that. If Anthopoulos did that we wouldn’t have Vlad.

[max silver]

None of our regimes ever did that. If Anthopoulos did that we wouldn’t have Vlad.

 

Vlad is the one of the few prospects he didn't trade away. Anthopoulos was on record that he viewed the minor league system more as trading currency to supplement the major league roster and that really shows. That regime saw very few minor league prospects directly contribute to the Jays in a meaningful way.

[TwistedLogic]

Vlad is the one of the few prospects he didn't trade away. Anthopoulos was on record that he viewed the minor league system more as trading currency to supplement the major league roster and that really shows. That regime saw very few minor league prospects directly contribute to the Jays in a meaningful way.

 

Not true. If anything, AA should have traded more because this team sucked at developing their good minor leaguers and wound up getting nothing for prospects that were once highly sought-after in the trade market like Alford, Pompey, Gose, Drabek, Sanchez, etc, etc.

 

None of the highly-ranked guys they traded away even wound up being super regretful decisions outside of Syndergaard. AA actually had a really solid trading record outside of the Marlins and Dickey trades.

[max silver]

Not true. If anything, AA should have traded more because this team sucked at developing their good minor leaguers and wound up getting nothing for prospects that were once highly sought-after in the trade market like Alford, Pompey, Gose, Drabek, Sanchez, etc, etc.

 

None of the highly-ranked guys they traded away even wound up being super regretful decisions outside of Syndergaard. AA actually had a really solid trading record outside of the Marlins and Dickey trades.

 

If you're happy with the boom bust method of team building then more power to you I guess. AA trading the bulk of his prospects away is part of the issue with not being able to build a sustainable winner under his tenure. The organization's failure to develop quality major leaguers is a separate issue, but this doesn't really validate the philosophy as a good one to employ.

[Laika]

AA did not trade the bulk of his good prospects away but he did trade a fair number of them. If you look at past top 20 lists, most prospects were not traded. But he probably still traded more top 20 org prospects than most GMs during that four or five year stretch.

 

It certainly would have been nice to have guys like Musgrove and Desclafani during the dark years here.

 

Perhaps some decisions on who to trade vs who to keep could have been better.

 

But really the problem was not trading the prospects - the problem was the returns. He lost a lot of value in the Dickey and the Marlins deals. Nobody is lamenting the loss of Franklin Barreto and Sean Nolin though, so that shows the merit in not being shy about slinging spects around.

[FantasyNewb]

AA did not trade the bulk of his good prospects away but he did trade a fair number of them. If you look at past top 20 lists, most prospects were not traded. But he probably still traded more top 20 org prospects than most GMs during that four or five year stretch.

 

It certainly would have been nice to have guys like Musgrove and Desclafani during the dark years here.

 

Perhaps some decisions on who to trade vs who to keep could have been better.

 

But really the problem was not trading the prospects - the problem was the returns. He lost a lot of value in the Dickey and the Marlins deals. Nobody is lamenting the loss of Franklin Barreto and Sean Nolin though, so that shows the merit in not being shy about slinging spects around.

 

Plus Syndergaard + D'arnaud + Matt Boyd + Graveman. AA hit a homerun with the Donaldson trade, but that was more due to the ineptitude of Beane than anything. The best asset AA had was his aggressiveness. He was in on everyone.

[FantasyNewb]

Jesus, that's a hot streak.

 

I don't really find any K rate that starts with a 2 that concerning anymore, especially if the guy takes his walks.

 

His comp was a young Adrien Beltre. Not surprising he's killing it so far.

[gruber92]

Wasn't Hatch supposed to start the second game?

[Ray]

The issue was less the drafting and more the archaic player development system we had. Our “player development” facility was probably the worst in the league, and we didn’t even start doing personalized player development plans until Shapiro came in. It was a sink or swim mentality for prospects. And wouldn’t you know it, when players got into our system, they were left to their own devices to figure out how to progress. There a strong chance that a guy like Cavan Biggio who had fringe average grades across the board coming out of the draft never makes it under our old player development system.

 

The drafting was not great, but it wasn’t bad. Did seem like a lot of our 1st rounders under AA either didn’t sign, or flat out busted though. I do like the stress on make up as opposed to making draft choices purely based on talent that this front office seems to incorporate into their model.

[Laika]

The issue was less the drafting and more the archaic player development system we had. Our “player development” facility was probably the worst in the league, and we didn’t even start doing personalized player development plans until Shapiro came in. It was a sink or swim mentality for prospects. And wouldn’t you know it, when players got into our system, they were left to their own devices to figure out how to progress. There a strong chance that a guy like Cavan Biggio who had fringe average grades across the board coming out of the draft never makes it under our old player development system.

 

The drafting was not great, but it wasn’t bad. Did seem like a lot of our 1st rounders under AA either didn’t sign, or flat out busted though. I do like the stress on make up as opposed to making pure talent that this front office seems to incorporate into their model however.

 

This front office cares a lot about make up, just in a more advanced way. Sports psychology and s*** like that are a big deal in Shapiro orgs.

[King]

AA did not care about makeup. Look at the Clinton Hollon pick. His issues were widely known (within the industry) before the draft.

[OtisNixonFan]

AA did not care about makeup. Look at the Clinton Hollon pick. His issues were widely known (within the industry) before the draft.

 

Correct me if I am wrong here.. But didn't Hollon get hooked on perks during his TJ rehab with the Jays?

[TwistedLogic]

This front office cares a lot about make up, just in a more advanced way. Sports psychology and s*** like that are a big deal in Shapiro orgs.

 

AA did not care about makeup. Look at the Clinton Hollon pick. His issues were widely known (within the industry) before the draft.

 

Also evidenced in the trades for Lawrie, Escobar and Rasmus. All guys who came cheap because they had makeup concerns in their previous orgs. AA definitely seemed to think bad makeup guys were a market inefficiency.

 

But I think Ray was saying the same thing you guys are; he likes that this front office cares about makeup.

[Krylian]

Kevin Smith with his 15th of the season. OPS up to .959. He's really having a stellar bounceback season.

[bronson44]

I could be wrong but I think it was late his tenure that he started talking about how they were focusing on make up. No doubt due to all of the examples above.

[RustyTrombone]

Correct me if I am wrong here.. But didn't Hollon get hooked on perks during his TJ rehab with the Jays?

 

I thought it was worse than that. I remember reading he became a meth head.

[Krylian]

I thought it was worse than that. I remember reading he became a meth head.

 

It was pretty bad.

 

https://www.wkyt.com/2020/09/10/woodford-countys-clinton-hollon-pitching-his-way-past-addiction/

[Ray]

Kevin Smith had himself a good double header:

 

5-for-8, 1 double, 1 HR

 

Quickly playing himself into either debuting in the 2nd half or being traded for a decent return. Only issue I see with him is that he seems to be kind of streaky. He’ll have a hot couple games followed by an ice cold stretch often. But I guess that’s most major leaguers?

 

Still only 24!

[Krylian]

Elvis Luciano removed from the game after 1 inning.