Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Carlos Danger]

Who at the time was saying that Kendall Williams was nothing?

 

The context I was using, "Nothing" was not in that Williams is nothing.. It is/was in the context that the Dodgers are a much smarter organization then others and it was never going to be cheap.

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/9457-Blue-Jays-acquire-Ross-Stripling-from-the-Dodgers-for-Kendall-Williams-PTBNL/page6

 

 

There are posters in the original thread saying the Dodgers were going to cut him anyway and should be happy to get anything. There are other posters saying in not so many words that Kendall Williams only has a few professional innings and they grow on trees and can be easily replaced next years in the second round of the NPD.

 

My point from day one and now is that I always question why the Dodgers are willing to move a pitcher since they are not exactly a team like the Rays...And if they are going to move a pitcher.. What they are asking for in return is almost always going to hurt, short term, long run etc with their current FO regime.

[Grant77]

The context I was using, "Nothing" was not in that Williams is nothing.. It is/was in the context that the Dodgers are a much smarter organization then others and it was never going to be cheap.

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/9457-Blue-Jays-acquire-Ross-Stripling-from-the-Dodgers-for-Kendall-Williams-PTBNL/page6

 

 

There are posters in the original thread saying the Dodgers were going to cut him anyway and should be happy to get anything. There are other posters saying in not so many words that Kendall Williams only has a few professional innings and they grow on trees and can be easily replaced next years in the second round of the NPD.

 

My point from day one and now is that I always question why the Dodgers are willing to move a pitcher since they are not exactly a team like the Rays...And if they are going to move a pitcher.. What they are asking for in return is almost always going to hurt, short term, long run etc with their current FO regime.

 

The guesses in that thread as to what we gave up were remarkably close. I said said someone a bit outside of our top 10, which was right, and a lot of people agreed with that.

 

I didn't necessarily like the trade, but repeating the opinion of the vast majority of us and pretending that you are smarter now is kind of funny.

[Laika]

The context I was using, "Nothing" was not in that Williams is nothing.. It is/was in the context that the Dodgers are a much smarter organization then others and it was never going to be cheap.

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/9457-Blue-Jays-acquire-Ross-Stripling-from-the-Dodgers-for-Kendall-Williams-PTBNL/page6

 

 

There are posters in the original thread saying the Dodgers were going to cut him anyway and should be happy to get anything. There are other posters saying in not so many words that Kendall Williams only has a few professional innings and they grow on trees and can be easily replaced next years in the second round of the NPD.

 

My point from day one and now is that I always question why the Dodgers are willing to move a pitcher since they are not exactly a team like the Rays...And if they are going to move a pitcher.. What they are asking for in return is almost always going to hurt, short term, long run etc with their current FO regime.

 

So what you're saying is you're a little wiener and you are scared of the big bad Dodgers?

[Carlos Danger]

So what you're saying is you're a little wiener and you are scared of the big bad Dodgers?

 

Yes

[Deadpool]

The context I was using, "Nothing" was not in that Williams is nothing.. It is/was in the context that the Dodgers are a much smarter organization then others and it was never going to be cheap.

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/9457-Blue-Jays-acquire-Ross-Stripling-from-the-Dodgers-for-Kendall-Williams-PTBNL/page6

 

 

There are posters in the original thread saying the Dodgers were going to cut him anyway and should be happy to get anything. There are other posters saying in not so many words that Kendall Williams only has a few professional innings and they grow on trees and can be easily replaced next years in the second round of the NPD.

 

My point from day one and now is that I always question why the Dodgers are willing to move a pitcher since they are not exactly a team like the Rays...And if they are going to move a pitcher.. What they are asking for in return is almost always going to hurt, short term, long run etc with their current FO regime.

 

From that scouting report:

OFP: 50

Role: 50 - #4 - #5 Backend SP

Risk: High

 

So, we gave up a projected 4 -5 backend SP who is high risk and in rookie ball for a 4-5 backend SP who has some risk but already at the MLB level.

 

That's not a deal I think we're going to even remember in 5 years, frankly.

[Carlos Danger]

From that scouting report:

OFP: 50

Role: 50 - #4 - #5 Backend SP

Risk: High

 

So, we gave up a projected 4 -5 backend SP who is high risk and in rookie ball for a 4-5 backend SP who has some risk but already at the MLB level.

 

That's not a deal I think we're going to even remember in 5 years, frankly.

 

My suggestion is you ask Laika why he posted, "The one that got away", to start this whole conversation.

[Carlos Danger]

The guesses in that thread as to what we gave up were remarkably close. I said said someone a bit outside of our top 10, which was right, and a lot of people agreed with that.

 

I didn't necessarily like the trade, but repeating the opinion of the vast majority of us and pretending that you are smarter now is kind of funny.

 

This quote is from a guy named Grant in that thread:

 

If the price for Stripling was one of our top 10 prospects then surely Atkins would have pivoted to a cheaper pitcher like Minor. I think he was going to lose his roster spot in Los Angeles and they moved him for whatever was available.

 

So we have you saying they would move him for whatever was available (which doesn't imply to me anything of much value) and you have Laika saying, "the one that got away".

 

Someone on this board made a joke recently that if you are a GM and the Rays call you and ask for a player, that you immediately cross that guy off your available for trade list and make him a keeper. While said in jest, there is a lot of truth to it. I think the same applies to the Dodgers.

 

The Dodgers are a team with Yankees budget and Rays smarts.. When they decide to move a player like Stripling or not resign a FA (by their choice) etc. If you are smart baseball person you should ask why..? If they think someone is worth a s***, they will make room. When they are coming calling for a player, you better check and double check your player analysis.

 

As to your other comment: I think I am smarter then about 65% of the board, not everyone... I am also very humble so I reduced it from 85% to 65%.

[Ray]

The one that got away... doesn't sound as exciting as Kloff. This is from Prospects Live.

 

This would suck more if this front office didn't demonstrate the ability to draft guys like Williams in the first place, but by the time Kendall Williams probably makes his debut, the hope is that we'll have 2 or 3 more prospects of his ilk restocked in the farm. And hopefully Stripling reverts back to a solid mid-rotation option for the next two years.

[Deadpool]

This quote is from a guy named Grant in that thread:

 

 

 

So we have you saying they would move him for whatever was available (which doesn't imply to me anything of much value) and you have Laika saying, "the one that got away".

 

Someone on this board made a joke recently that if you are a GM and the Rays call you and ask for a player, that you immediately cross that guy off your available for trade list and make him a keeper. While said in jest, there is a lot of truth to it. I think the same applies to the Dodgers.

 

The Dodgers are a team with Yankees budget and Rays smarts.. When they decide to move a player like Stripling or not resign a FA (by their choice) etc. If you are smart baseball person you should ask why..? If they think someone is worth a s***, they will make room. When they are coming calling for a player, you better check and double check your player analysis.

 

As to your other comment: I think I am smarter then about 65% of the board, not everyone... I am also very humble so I reduced it from 85% to 65%.

 

The Dodgers moved Stripling because they didn't have room for him. The Jays traded for him because he was an upgrade for them.

 

The Dodgers are the best team in baseball, so a player they move isn't necessarily bad, just worse than THEIR other options.

 

I also think Williams has potential, but "the one that got away" was obviously not meant to be taken seriously. This isn't like trading Syndergaard.

[max silver]

This quote is from a guy named Grant in that thread:

 

 

 

So we have you saying they would move him for whatever was available (which doesn't imply to me anything of much value) and you have Laika saying, "the one that got away".

 

Someone on this board made a joke recently that if you are a GM and the Rays call you and ask for a player, that you immediately cross that guy off your available for trade list and make him a keeper. While said in jest, there is a lot of truth to it. I think the same applies to the Dodgers.

 

The Dodgers are a team with Yankees budget and Rays smarts.. When they decide to move a player like Stripling or not resign a FA (by their choice) etc. If you are smart baseball person you should ask why..? If they think someone is worth a s***, they will make room. When they are coming calling for a player, you better check and double check your player analysis.

 

As to your other comment: I think I am smarter then about 65% of the board, not everyone... I am also very humble so I reduced it from 85% to 65%.

 

You are acting as if the 2020 version of Stripling is guaranteed to be the same level of performance that he delivers going forward. He had a rough couple of months in a pandemic shortened season, one in which pitchers weren't able to utilize their normal training routines due to lockdown measures. Even factoring in the bad results in 2020 Stripling still has a career ERA/FIP/XFIP of 3.77/3.89/3.65. You would have to imagine the front office identified some sort of flaw in his delivery or mechanics that suddenly led to him becoming more hittable than usual. His walk rate was quite a bit higher than his career norms and his homerun rate basically doubled compared to his career norms. His stuff doesn't look to have taken a step back either. If he can get himself back to his usual self and perform up to his career standard he is a pretty nice back end rotation option.

[Grant77]

This quote is from a guy named Grant in that thread:

 

 

 

So we have you saying they would move him for whatever was available (which doesn't imply to me anything of much value) and you have Laika saying, "the one that got away".

 

Someone on this board made a joke recently that if you are a GM and the Rays call you and ask for a player, that you immediately cross that guy off your available for trade list and make him a keeper. While said in jest, there is a lot of truth to it. I think the same applies to the Dodgers.

 

The Dodgers are a team with Yankees budget and Rays smarts.. When they decide to move a player like Stripling or not resign a FA (by their choice) etc. If you are smart baseball person you should ask why..? If they think someone is worth a s***, they will make room. When they are coming calling for a player, you better check and double check your player analysis.

 

As to your other comment: I think I am smarter then about 65% of the board, not everyone... I am also very humble so I reduced it from 85% to 65%.

 

The Indians are going to move Lindor for the best deal available. Does that mean they will take very little? Your logic is extremely flawed.

 

Everything in my statement was absolutely correct with the benefit of hindsight.

[Laika]

Yes

 

Just remember that this current Dodgers front office traded Yordan Alvarez for like nothing.

 

None of these front offices are infallible. Toronto has a good one though.

[Ray]

MLB Pipeline ranked Anthony Castro as the #19 prospect in our system after adding him, above Joey Murray, TJ Zeuch, Trent Palmer, Josh Winckowski, Sem Robberse, & Julian Merryweather.

[Carlos Danger]

MLB Pipeline ranked Anthony Castro as the #19 prospect in our system after adding him, above Joey Murray, TJ Zeuch, Trent Palmer, Josh Winckowski, Sem Robberse, & Julian Merryweather.

 

Surprising to me anyway, he is above Merryweather...

[Spanky__99]

This quote is from a guy named Grant in that thread:

 

 

 

So we have you saying they would move him for whatever was available (which doesn't imply to me anything of much value) and you have Laika saying, "the one that got away".

 

Someone on this board made a joke recently that if you are a GM and the Rays call you and ask for a player, that you immediately cross that guy off your available for trade list and make him a keeper. While said in jest, there is a lot of truth to it. I think the same applies to the Dodgers.

 

The Dodgers are a team with Yankees budget and Rays smarts.. When they decide to move a player like Stripling or not resign a FA (by their choice) etc. If you are smart baseball person you should ask why..? If they think someone is worth a s***, they will make room. When they are coming calling for a player, you better check and double check your player analysis.

 

As to your other comment: I think I am smarter then about 65% of the board, not everyone... I am also very humble so I reduced it from 85% to 65%.

 

Jesus, man! Get off your knees CD, all you did in that thread and everything else Friedman is honk on his salty dog. Jays did just fine in that trade deadline deal, it was for immediate help to our team. I love Williams, but there was nothing wrong with that deal, we still have years of control with Stripling and he's been a quality pitcher at the MLB level... you make that trade all day.

[Spanky__99]

MLB Pipeline ranked Anthony Castro as the #19 prospect in our system after adding him, above Joey Murray, TJ Zeuch, Trent Palmer, Josh Winckowski, Sem Robberse, & Julian Merryweather.

 

Geez, that's aggressive.

[Dr. Dinger]

Surprising to me anyway, he is above Merryweather...

 

Merryweather is like 32 years old

[Carlos Danger]

Merryweather is like 32 years old

 

He is 29, but yea, I didn't even realize he was that old...

[G-Snarls]

So we added Sebastian Espino via the AAA rule 5 draft.. 20 year old Dominican born infielder.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=espino000seb

[Ray]

Gabriel Moreno is slashing .382/.462/.529 in winter ball so far through 10 games.

 

He also posted this highlight of himself hitting in the alternate training site:

Instagram

WWW.INSTAGRAM.COM

 

What a beautiful swing.

[Ray]

Relevant:

 

FBJ: Gaby Moreno is one of the best athletes in the system, and has developed in leaps and bounds over the past two seasons. He came part way through your time in Rochester, but what were your impressions of him?

 

Hunter Mense: He’s a completely under-the-radar guy, and he was the best hitter in Rochester. He has among the best bat-to-ball skills in the organization. Moreno reminds me of Bo (Bichette) – he makes contact, and he knows that he can hit pitches outside of the strike zone. Sometimes, he’ll lay off a pitch in a spot that he knows he can’t do much with, then go after one out of the zone because he knows he can drive it. When Nate Pearson came to Rochester, Moreno turned on a 98 fastball about 6 inches off the plate. He drove it down the line just foul, with an exit velo of 105.

[Laika]

Gabriel Moreno is slashing .382/.462/.529 in winter ball so far through 10 games.

 

He also posted this highlight of himself hitting in the alternate training site:

Instagram

WWW.INSTAGRAM.COM

 

What a beautiful swing.

 

Funky little bat wrap that might need to get cleaned up. Can't say his arm looks strong on those two throws.

 

Could be the best out of him, Kirk, and Jansen though. Who knows!

[Orgfiller]

Funky little bat wrap that might need to get cleaned up. Can't say his arm looks strong on those two throws.

 

Could be the best out of him, Kirk, and Jansen though. Who knows!

 

His stance is pretty odd but I think the wiggle is actually the timing mechanism that gets him into proper hitting position so if it's working I don't think they'll change it.

[Brownie19]

He's an exciting prospect. It's hard not to love someone with that kind of bat to ball skills. The arm looks like a wet noodle though - WTF?

[43211234]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/top-blue-jays-prospect-alek-manoah-made-sure-2020-wasnt-lost-year/

[Spanky__99]

In following that, Gil Kim and Ross Atkins on the lost season and the work all prospects are getting in at the Dunedin Complex...

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/

[The Iceman]

DO NOT TRADE MORENO

 

Thank you

[Ray]

[Laika]

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Manuel Beltre

Manuel Beltre

Dominican RepublicSS

Notes:

Born: June 9, 2004. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 5-11. Wt.: 165.

 

Report: One of the best hitters in the class, Beltre is a baseball rat who has spent years documenting his path to professional baseball on his social media accounts, sharing his daily training and highlights on his Instagram account of more than 60,000 followers. Beltre has a short, simple swing, performing well in games with a high contact rate, good feel for the strike zone and gap power. Beltre isn't as tooled-up as some of the other top prospects in the class, but he has a ton of game experience relative to his peers and it's evident in his all-around instincts and fundamentally sound play. Beltre, who trains trains with Jaime Ramos, is expected to sign with the Blue Jays.

 

(they don't mention a bonus but the #8 player is expected to sign for $2.5M and a few players below Beltre are expected to sign for $2M)

 

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Martín Giménez Headshot

Martin Gimenez

VenezuelaSS

Notes:

Born: Feb. 15, 2004. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-3. Wt.: 160.

 

Report: Gimenez and Wilman Diaz, one of the top shortstops in this class, train together with Alexi Quiroz. Gimenez has a long, lanky build with plenty of room to pack on weight. He has a chance to develop into a power bat once he fills out, with some scouts praising his swing and approach, though others said he's still learning to recognize breaking pitches. Gimenez has a strong arm for the left side of the infield and it should grade up as he fills out, with a good chance he ends up at third base or possibly an outfield corner as he gets bigger. The Blue Jays are expected to sign Gimenez.

[Spanky__99]

Have the Birds been linked to anyone else, besides them two?