Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[WONDERBAT]

This isn't true. The Blue Jays had a solid above average draft record with AA (I think).

 

Maybe they have had good systems but they haven't produced much.

 

In 6 years haven't they only produced 6 major league arms with above average or better talent? Stroman, Sanchez, Osuna, Norris, Hoffman and Syndergaard. And in terms of hitters there hasn't been any, Alford is probably the closest thing they have right now and he's only in Dunedin right now?

[Laika]

Maybe they have had good systems but they haven't produced much.

 

In 6 years haven't they only produced 6 major league arms with above average or better talent? Stroman, Sanchez, Osuna, Norris, Hoffman and Syndergaard. And in terms of hitters there hasn't been any, Alford is probably the closest thing they have right now and he's only in Dunedin right now?

 

That's a bad way to look at it. The vast majority of players taken haven't even had enough time to have even a remote chance of developing into major leaguers. Even if you look at the 2010 draft, some of those guys are JUST competing for major league spots now (Nicolono, Wojchiechowski, Nolin, Pompey). It takes so long for baseball prospects to develop. The Blue Jays also loved high school arms under AA, which take a long time to develop.

 

But still...

 

You're missing a ton of guys that have made it or are legitimate MLB prospects. Most notably Pillar, Sam Dyson, and DeSclafani if you just want significant MLB players.

[Carp12]

They also drafted kris Bryant in 2010

[Angrioter]

They also drafted kris Bryant in 2010

 

Bickford and Singer could be damn good

[Carp12]

And Aaron Nola could turn out quite good as well

[Laika]

They also drafted kris Bryant in 2010

 

2010 - Kris Bryant

2011 - Luke Weaver and Aaron Nola. Also Beede.

2012 - Jon Harris

2013 - Bickford, Eric Lauer (2016 draft potential day 1 guy), Sam Tewes (2016 draft potential day 1 guy)

2014 - Tanner Houck (2017 potential 1-1 pick) Jake Latz (2017 potential day 1 guy)

2015 - Brady Singer

[Nafro]

All those would have been awesome draft picks, if they had actually been signed.

[Krylian]

All those would have been awesome draft picks, if they had actually been signed.

 

Still have to give credit for identifying the talent.

[burlingtonbandit]

All those would have been awesome draft picks, if they had actually been signed.

 

Not Beede. Because if Beede signs we don't get Stroman.

[Angrioter]

Not Beede. Because if Beede signs we don't get Stroman.

 

But Beedah is better rapper.

[Cyborg]

But Beedah is better rapper.

Honestly debatable.

[Angrioter]

Honestly debatable.

 

Beedah is the main voice. Stroman is the secondary or chorus voice

[Krylian]

WTF are you talking about.

[43211234]

WTF are you talking about.

 

 

[Angrioter]

 

 

Beedah easily. Best song writer and better rapper

[RIPEXPOS]

Remember when everyone was ripping me for wanting Turner over Pentecost? Good times.

[nmrch]

Still have to give credit for identifying the talent.

 

no you don't. Most of these picks were made as hail marys because they were borderline impossible signs. Its not like other teams didn't see the talent, they just didn't want to bother with these tough signs. You don't get credit for those, besides almost every high college pick at some point was also a HS pick that failed to sign with an MLB team. I would guess the Jays under AA were not really special in terms of their HS picks that failed to sign turning into special college players.

[nmrch]

Clearly weren't looking at 2010-2012.

 

Well he made it up with some ugly drafts since then. I think its hard to make the case that under AA, the Jays were anything but average.

[metafour]

Remember when everyone was ripping me for wanting Turner over Pentecost? Good times.

 

Any player can become an injury problem.

[Laika]

no you don't. Most of these picks were made as hail marys because they were borderline impossible signs. Its not like other teams didn't see the talent, they just didn't want to bother with these tough signs. You don't get credit for those, besides almost every high college pick at some point was also a HS pick that failed to sign with an MLB team. I would guess the Jays under AA were not really special in terms of their HS picks that failed to sign turning into special college players.

 

Pretty much this.

 

IIRC the only kind of hail mary picks the Blue Jays actually landed were Tellez and Reggie Pruitt.

 

I guess you could say that it worked out in general? Between 2010 and 2015 they probably took something like 10-15 "hail mary picks" and they ended up landing two of them (unless I'm missing someone). They also altered their draft strategy every single year in order to make the chances of landing one or two tough sign guys higher (taking cheap as s*** college dudes in rounds 5-9 every draft).

 

I wonder if they would have been better off just going with a conventional draft. Take ~5 standard picks based on talent in rounds 5-9 and skip some of the tough sign high school players.

[King]

Smoral is no where to be found on any of the fullseason rosters.

[Carp12]

Pretty much this.

 

IIRC the only kind of hail mary picks the Blue Jays actually landed were Tellez and Reggie Pruitt.

 

I guess you could say that it worked out in general? Between 2010 and 2015 they probably took something like 10-15 "hail mary picks" and they ended up landing two of them (unless I'm missing someone). They also altered their draft strategy every single year in order to make the chances of landing one or two tough sign guys higher (taking cheap as s*** college dudes in rounds 5-9 every draft).

 

I wonder if they would have been better off just going with a conventional draft. Take ~5 standard picks based on talent in rounds 5-9 and skip some of the tough sign high school players.

 

 

 

Wasn't Brentz a Hail Mary pick as well?

[Laika]

Wasn't Brentz a Hail Mary pick as well?

 

Yeah I suppose. Although I wasn't really considering any of the guys taken in the 11th/12th rounds because the team generally punted several prior picks with the express intent of signing the players that they picked there. But yeah.

[KingKat]

Yeah I suppose. Although I wasn't really considering any of the guys taken in the 11th/12th rounds because the team generally punted several prior picks with the express intent of signing the players that they picked there. But yeah.

 

I guess Kevin Comer and Daniel Norris were drafted too early to count.

[burlingtonbandit]

Pretty much this.

 

IIRC the only kind of hail mary picks the Blue Jays actually landed were Tellez and Reggie Pruitt.

 

I guess you could say that it worked out in general? Between 2010 and 2015 they probably took something like 10-15 "hail mary picks" and they ended up landing two of them (unless I'm missing someone). They also altered their draft strategy every single year in order to make the chances of landing one or two tough sign guys higher (taking cheap as s*** college dudes in rounds 5-9 every draft).

 

I wonder if they would have been better off just going with a conventional draft. Take ~5 standard picks based on talent in rounds 5-9 and skip some of the tough sign high school players.

 

Some of those Round 5-9 cheap signs have turned into good prospects though so its not like they were complete junk. Matt Boyd, Graveman, Girado even Greene were all underslot guys taken in 2013 who have turned out to be great picks.

[Rusty_Savage]

Maybe they have had good systems but they haven't produced much.

 

In 6 years haven't they only produced 6 major league arms with above average or better talent? Stroman, Sanchez, Osuna, Norris, Hoffman and Syndergaard. And in terms of hitters there hasn't been any, Alford is probably the closest thing they have right now and he's only in Dunedin right now?

 

Anthony Desclafini as well. So that's 7 arms in 6 years. When you take into account how long it takes the majority of pitchers to get established, it's not that bad

[Angrioter]

Jacob Anderson

[Deadpool]

Pretty much this.

 

IIRC the only kind of hail mary picks the Blue Jays actually landed were Tellez and Reggie Pruitt.

 

I guess you could say that it worked out in general? Between 2010 and 2015 they probably took something like 10-15 "hail mary picks" and they ended up landing two of them (unless I'm missing someone). They also altered their draft strategy every single year in order to make the chances of landing one or two tough sign guys higher (taking cheap as s*** college dudes in rounds 5-9 every draft).

 

I wonder if they would have been better off just going with a conventional draft. Take ~5 standard picks based on talent in rounds 5-9 and skip some of the tough sign high school players.

 

Alford was a long shot to sign, according to the media, so that's a bit of a hail mary, even if he was picked third round.

[Slade]

Anthony Desclafini as well. So that's 7 arms in 6 years. When you take into account how long it takes the majority of pitchers to get established, it's not that bad

 

That still seems pretty bad to be honest 7 arms and maybe two position players (Alford, Pillar).

[Rusty_Savage]

That still seems pretty bad to be honest 7 arms and maybe two position players (Alford, Pillar).

 

I get your point on position players, their record has been garbage. But under AA the team went with a lot of projectional prep arms in the early in drafts. I'm not saying it's excellent but it's not terrible either.

 

I think with positional players you could include Hech and Baretto as well.