AL MVP....Donaldson or Trout???

[Angrioter]

I just don't agree with giving an MVP award to member of a team that did not make the playoffs

 

Then, Harper isn't the MVP?

 

 

Bonds-level season

[Joe Shades]

Like Krylian said then change the award from MVP to most outstanding player or something like it

[blurnandez]

Sucks that Donaldson's s***** final 8-9 days or so of the season could cost him the MVP (by any voters using WAR as the main deciding factor). He dropped like 0.3 WAR in that span while Trout leapfrogged him.

 

I have no clue how the voter's sway though. We're still in a weird transition phase between the old and new guard of the BBWAA.

[37stieb]

If your team does not make the playoffs then how can you be most valuable?

 

George Bell 1987 MVP award

[Stangstag]

I just don't agree with giving an MVP award to member of a team that did not make the playoffs

 

Ok then who is your NL MVP?

 

Cespedes? Bryant?

[AdamGreenwood]

Advanced metrics 40%. Traditional Metrics 40% Team making the playoffs 20%

 

I'll be shocked if Donaldson doesnm't win. Plus, I think the fact that Trout won last year, could work against him this year.

[EdwinsParrot]

Really think it could go either way, especially with JD struggling a bit in the end. Gonna say he edges trout.

[Sammy225]

I just don't agree with giving an MVP award to member of a team that did not make the playoffs

 

Because Trout was not blessed with a team like Donaldson. MVP is the best player not who has the better team and makes the playoffs. Donaldson has Bau and EE hitting behind him... Trout has and aging Albert and nothing else. This is why You can't take a whose team made the playoff statement.

 

If Trout wins and he has a very strong case then i don't see how anyone can be mad with the decision.

[z3r0s]

I don't see how you use WAR as the determining factor when their individual WAR is so close to one another. Trout was a better hitter by a good margin this year and Donaldson is making up ground in WAR with defensive play. That defensive component is hard to calculate and could very well be off by a bit (positively or negatively) from his 'true' defensive value.

 

Its fairly easy to use WAR as the determining factor when there is a good margin between the candidates (see Trout v Miguel), but its not a clear case when they are within .5 WAR.

[Joe Shades]

Ok then who is your NL MVP?

 

Cespedes? Bryant?

 

Yeah Cespedes would be a good choice

[BigCecil]

Not sure why anyone would be worried JD might lose on WAR when Trout has lost in the past to Cabrera for so many other stats and "intangibles" that seem to interest the old school voters.

[Stangstag]

Yeah Cespedes would be a good choice

 

Lol stop posting please

[Brownie19]

Because Trout was not blessed with a team like Donaldson. MVP is the best player not who has the better team and makes the playoffs. Donaldson has Bau and EE hitting behind him... Trout has and aging Albert and nothing else. This is why You can't take a whose team made the playoff statement.

 

If Trout wins and he has a very strong case then i don't see how anyone can be mad with the decision.

 

Can Albert's not a very good hitter anymore either....

[Joe Shades]

Lol stop posting please

 

Kiss my ass. I can have my opinion, you *******, if you disagree fine but take your attitude and shove it up your ass. I don't think a non playoff team should have the MVP award winner. Most feel different, that is fine i respect that opinion .

[Brownie19]

If your team does not make the playoffs then how can you be most valuable?

 

I don't understand why so many people struggle with this concept.

 

 

If the Angels didn't have Trout - are they even close to making the playoffs? Hells no - they'd be awful. He's extremely valuable to his team regardless of whether they make the playoffs or not and that's the definition of MVP.

 

A player shouldn't be ignored simply because the team around him wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That's dumb (although we all know the voters discount the relevance of players who don't make the playoffs).

[Olerud363]

Not sure why anyone would be worried JD might lose on WAR when Trout has already lost to Cabrera for so many other stats and "intangibles" that seem to interest the voters.

 

Looks like Trout ended up beating Donaldson by .4...

 

He beat Cabrerra by 4 and 3 and still lost the MVP. 0.4 isn't much of a difference.

 

Are we convinced it's calibrated right for intentional walks?? Trout got 14, Donaldson 0... then there may have been a bunch of unintentional intentional walks.

 

Not sure how the math would work out... often times intentional walks are valuable anyway... cause they lead to big innings.

 

However the difference between them offensively is 20 walks. 14 intentional, a bit of slugging and the park factor.

 

You're all convinced that's all in there accurately enough that we can say the 0.4 difference is real??

[pickoff22]

Would be shocked if JD doesn't win it. Of course the MVP doesn't need to be from a playoff team, but then again of course if he's responsible for them making the playoffs then he's adding tremendous value. Without JD our record at the deadline would have been below .500 and in all likelihood we wouldn't have been in the position to pull the trigger on the trades we did - his impact to this team has been felt in many un-measurable ways.

[Joe Shades]

I don't understand why so many people struggle with this concept.

 

 

If the Angels didn't have Trout - are they even close to making the playoffs? Hells no - they'd be awful. He's extremely valuable to his team regardless of whether they make the playoffs or not and that's the definition of MVP.

 

A player shouldn't be ignored simply because the team around him wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That's dumb (although we all know the voters discount the relevance of players who don't make the playoffs).

 

I agree they would be way worse without him, but i think making the Playoffs means much more which is why Donaldson should win

[Stangstag]

Kiss my ass. I can have my opinion, you *******, if you disagree fine but take your attitude and shove it up your ass. I don't think a non playoff team should have the MVP award winner. Most feel different, that is fine i respect that opinion .

 

Troll.

[Joe Shades]

Troll.

 

Dick

[Brownie19]

I agree they would be way worse without him, but i think making the Playoffs means much more which is why Donaldson should win

 

I don't think you're grasping the concept...

[Joe Shades]

Amazing how some message board posters no matter what board get so upset when you have a different opinion and call names like troll. f***ing hilarious

[Joe Shades]

I don't think you're grasping the concept...

 

I grasp the concept, I just think making the playoffs should matter more

[Stangstag]

Amazing how some message board posters no matter what board get so upset when you have a different opinion and call names like troll. f***ing hilarious

 

You just claimed Cespedes is your choice for National League MVP, when he has only played 57 games in the NL this year. Yoenis Cespedes, over Byce Harper, who has had arguably the greatest offensive season since Barry Bonds.

 

I'm calling you a troll because I don't believe you are that dumb.

[Governator]

I don't think a non playoff team should have the MVP award winner. Most feel different, that is fine i respect that opinion .

 

Would be shocked if JD doesn't win it. Of course the MVP doesn't need to be from a playoff team, but then again of course if he's responsible for them making the playoffs then he's adding tremendous value. Without JD our record at the deadline would have been below .500 and in all likelihood we wouldn't have been in the position to pull the trigger on the trades we did - his impact to this team has been felt in many un-measurable ways.

 

... They were a sub .500 team at the deadline 50-51 (I believe?), how does that translate in to a playoff team because of him? You are putting far too much value on one player's worth, they are the same. In fact lets say AA (Executive of the year???) doesn't pull the trigger on those trades, now both Angels and Jays don't make the post season. Who's your MVP?

[Joe Shades]

You just claimed Cespedes is your choice for National League MVP, when he has only played 57 games in the NL this year. Yoenis Cespedes, over Byce Harper, who has had arguably the greatest offensive season since Barry Bonds.

 

I'm calling you a troll because I don't believe you are that dumb.

 

 

Kiss my ass, dick

[Joe Shades]

Cespedes didn't just play 57 games this year, if making playoffs does not matter why should playing in AL be held against him? he came to the mets and was a big part of them making the playoffs

[pickoff22]

... They were a sub .500 team at the deadline 50-51 (I believe?), how does that translate in to a playoff team because of him? You are putting far too much value on one player's worth, they are the same. In fact lets say AA (Executive of the year???) doesn't pull the trigger on those trades, now both Angels and Jays don't make the post season. Who's your MVP?

 

When the Jays were under-performing, JD was easily the team's best player and was responsible for more than one walkoff win. Without him who knows how far below .500 we would have been (and therefore AA wouldn't have been in the position he was in).

 

If Jays and Angels aren't in postseason, it's a completely different season and scenario because it's not like the Jays just snuck in the playoffs, they crushed it in the second half.

 

JD's impact to the clubhouse has been well documented. His approach to the game and refusal to not give 100% has had an impact on the team's young guys and veterans. I've had the pleasure of watching him all year do the little things that other players just don't (or can't do), so to me it's an obvious choice (and granted one that I want as a fan).

 

Now of course I've only watched about 20 or so Angel games this year, so I'm sure Trout has had plays that stats don't fully pick up as well, but if you're a Jays fan it's easy to recognize just how ridiculously valuable JD has been to this team beyond what you can see on paper.

[Brownie19]

Cespedes didn't just play 57 games this year, if making playoffs does not matter why should playing in AL be held against him? he came to the mets and was a big part of them making the playoffs

 

playing in the AL shouldn't be held against him. The fact that Harper is significantly better should.

[THANOS]

If Harper doesn't win MVP it will be a travesty.