Hutch and FIP

[dineke]

McCutchen I just don't like so I wouldn't.

 

racist

[BTS]

racist

 

Dumn and racist is no way to go through life. Poor guy.

[Daniel Labude]

racist

 

Good one lol

[King]

How does one not like McCutchen?

[LTR]

How does one not like McCutchen?

 

When the dreadlocks went, so did my like for McCutchen

[King]

lol

[Daniel Labude]

How does one not like McCutchen?

 

I just dont, no reason though. He is a great player though.

[King]

I just dont, no reason though. He is a great player though.

 

Uhh

[L54]

Having too much talent should never be a problem, regardless of position.

[GD]

yup, racism

[LTR]

I just dont, no reason though. He is a great player though.

 

If you don't like McCutchen you're a racist!

[BTS]

lettheballfly: I'd like your opinion on the following people plz:

 

O.J. Simpson

Chris Dorner

the pirates who took over Tom Hanks' ship in that movie

 

Thx

[Daniel Labude]

If you don't like McCutchen you're a racist!

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am not racist.

[Daniel Labude]

lettheballfly: I'd like your opinion on the following people plz:

 

O.J. Simpson

Chris Dorner

the pirates who took over Tom Hanks' ship in that movie

 

Thx

 

Why? You could have thought of more controversial people than the last two.

[BTS]

Why? You could have thought of more controversial people than the last two.

 

So they aren't even worth giving an opinion on. So tired of racism like this.

[LTR]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am not racist.

 

Sarcasm detector disabled?

[Daniel Labude]

You dislike him for no reason at all? I don't understand how that works.

 

There must be a real reason here, and I think other posters have picked up on what it is.

 

I feel sorry for you if you believe this.

[Daniel Labude]

Sarcasm detector disabled?

 

Hard to tell who is being serious and who isn't with those statements. It's all good though lol.

[baubau]

I don't think it's racism peeps. LTBF has been a avid supporter of Pompey throughout this and last year. Pompey ain't white. Maybe subconsciously Cutch has a punchable face to him. I know Swisher falls into that category for me. And Machado. And Showalter. And O'Day. You know what the entire Orioles roster.

[GD]

Cutch is easily starting CF on the Most Likeable Team 2015

[Boxcar]

We can't all be as smart as you boxy. Fip is infallible. I never suggested fip and Xfip on the macro are not great indicators.

 

For the last time, xFIP/FIP/SIERA are not "indicators", they are not predictive. They are an objective measure of performance.

 

5 years from now we'll see who is better Sanchez or hutch. Hopefully both are good. You seem to be certain one will be good and one will be bad and anyone who thinks different is just dumb

 

Quote me.

 

but maybe you aren't as smart as you think you are.

 

Having a basic level of awareness when it comes to player evaluation is not "so smart". You continually show that you don't really understand anything in this regard.

 

I'm just playing devils advocate and thinking outside the box.

 

How is looking at a guy's ERA and making snap judgments thinking outside the box? That's as in the box as you can get, along with everything else you post.

[baubau]

Cutch is easily starting CF on the Most Likeable Team 2015

 

LF. Trout is the most likable CF.

[GD]

For the last time, xFIP/FIP/SIERA are not "indicators", they are not predictive. They are an objective measure of performance.

 

Actually, uh, SIERA is an ERA predictor and xFIP is expected FIP, making it predictive of FIP. FIP is the objective measure of performance.

 

They all also happen to be better predictors of future ERA than past ERA, so they're all labelled as ERA predictors (and SIERA actually is one, I believe) but xFIP was made to project FIP and FIP was made to improve upon ERA.

 

It's all semantics, though. The objective is to measure true talent as closely as possible. ERA CLEARLY doesn't do this (HR/FB, BABIP, run environment, framing/umps probably), and FIP does a better job but still has problems (HR/FB, framing/umps). Pitch-level statistics like xxFIP are probably the closest thing to true talent we have right now.

[jays76]

Actually, uh, SIERA is an ERA predictor and xFIP is expected FIP, making it predictive of FIP. FIP is the objective measure of performance.

 

They all also happen to be better predictors of future ERA than past ERA, so they're all labelled as ERA predictors (and SIERA actually is one, I believe) but xFIP was made to project FIP and FIP was made to improve upon ERA.

 

It's all semantics, though. The objective is to measure true talent as closely as possible. ERA CLEARLY doesn't do this (HR/FB, BABIP, run environment, framing/umps probably), and FIP does a better job but still has problems (HR/FB, framing/umps). Pitch-level statistics like xxFIP are probably the closest thing to true talent we have right now.

 

Good breakdown.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Sanchez has been missing his spots big time all year and all the "I judge with ma eyes" crowd loves him.

 

Who exactly are you talking about? Both Hutchison and Sanchez have looked horrible to myself along with others (more casual) who I talk to about baseball. Sanchez gets less hatred by many casuals because of his lack of experience from what I can tell. Everyone knows his control was a problem when he was starting. Only a few posters on here seem to think Sanchez was doing a good job in the rotation, and they've only been defending him because of his potential. Hutchison has been horrible at times and I don't even think it's debatable.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Actually, uh, SIERA is an ERA predictor and xFIP is expected FIP, making it predictive of FIP. FIP is the objective measure of performance.

 

They all also happen to be better predictors of future ERA than past ERA, so they're all labelled as ERA predictors (and SIERA actually is one, I believe) but xFIP was made to project FIP and FIP was made to improve upon ERA.

 

It's all semantics, though. The objective is to measure true talent as closely as possible. ERA CLEARLY doesn't do this (HR/FB, BABIP, run environment, framing/umps probably), and FIP does a better job but still has problems (HR/FB, framing/umps). Pitch-level statistics like xxFIP are probably the closest thing to true talent we have right now.

 

Right and again these things should be looked at in very large samples. If a guy has a good xFIP over a few starts it's possible he pitched poorly, clearly ERA is a much worse indicator but it was annoying when some posters decided a guy pitched well during a particular start because of his xFIP over 4-5 innings.

[93 Jays]

Hutch is a serviceable number 5 IMO, but down the stretch in important games, I don't want to see him out there period. He's failed numerous times to complete 5, even when his team is mashing and giving him huge run support. From here on out, every game matters and I don't want to see him or Sanchez out there to start a game.

 

Sanchez and his walk rate are just too risky, as is Hutch's lack of fastball command. Either guy is at risk of implosion at any time and with less than 60 games left, I think we need guys who can keep us in games.

 

I really like Sanchez and his movement. But his lack of command is maddening and downright laughable. He doesn't seem to have that problem in limited sample size this year and last, so his value in the pen at this point is almost and automatic indicator that he's right where he should be.

[93 Jays]

Sanchez has been missing his spots big time all year and all the "I judge with ma eyes" crowd loves him.

 

With all due respect, it's kind of hard not to as a casual fan. He has some of the best movement in baseball and the potential for him to be a front end guy is there. He induces a lot of weak contact when he's not walking every second hitter.

 

Aside from his last start against Houston, there were several occasions against the red sox and the WHO(rioles) where he walked the bases loaded and got himself out of it by simply finding the zone and inducing weak ground ball double plays. With that said, do I want any guy at this level starting any game who has a walk rate over 5 per 9IP? Fack no, especially not at this critical juncture of the season.

 

But my take on Sanchez is that he is still very young. His minor league numbers show the same lack of control. BUT, any sensible baseball observer has to admit that if this kid simply learns his release point, he will be a dominant front end starter. I understand that's easier said than done, especially since the only sign he's shown whatsoever is in a limited sample size in our pen. But ten times out of ten, I take him over Hutch to stay on this team long term. But having either of them start at this point is just a "hell no" for me.

[GD]

Right and again these things should be looked at in very large samples. If a guy has a good xFIP over a few starts it's possible he pitched poorly, clearly ERA is a much worse indicator but it was annoying when some posters decided a guy pitched well during a particular start because of his xFIP over 4-5 innings.

 

Well, no, they do have a point. Kyle Kendrick can go 5 innings, strike out 8, walk one, give up no homers and have an xFIP of 2.5 or whatever it comes out to. And that means he pitched well. But that doesn't mean he's a good pitcher; he still has a 5.05 xFIP on the season.

 

A bad pitcher can pitch well during a particular start, obviously. Saying "this guy had an xFIP of 3.5 in five innings, he pitched well" is a legitimate claim. Saying "this guy had an xFIP of 3.5 in five innings, he is a good pitcher because of this" is invalid. There's a distinction.

[IronLadle]

It's weird how overlooked IP gets, it might be one of the more important stats.