Kawasaki recalled. Tepera optioned. Carrera and Valencia DFA'd.

[nextyear]

This looks bad. At 5 - 1 it looked like a sure win.

 

The Jays will need Tulowitzki to pinch hit either for Kawasaki or Goins in the 8th or 9th.

[gbill2004]

Valencia farted in an elevator with AA. AA sensed Danny ate non-Greek food by the smell of his fart. AA felt betrayed and DFA'd him.

[nextyear]

oops. Wrong thread.

[gbill2004]

Why is Lowe still in there?

DFA him after the game.

[Boxcar]

Valencia farted in an elevator with AA. AA sensed Danny ate non-Greek food by the smell of his fart. AA felt betrayed and DFA'd him.

 

hurrrrrr

[Jayday]

i hate bello's face even more.

 

And I hate your pea sized brain, and your useless posts.

[Jayday]

Yeah I don't get this at all. You talk about improving team chemistry and you get rid of one of the guys who can be considered the heart of the clubhouse? Even if they're dumb enough to not realize how valuable he is on the field, what makes them believe he's less valuable than Colabello off it?

 

How can anyone have real value off the field ? If that were so important, teams would just put a congenial aging celebrity on the roster.

 

 

The only possible explanation is that they just don't expect to ever need a backup outfielder, and therefore prefer Colabello's bat over Valencia's in a pinch-hit situation.

 

How can anyone have real value off the field? If that was so important, every team would put a congenial celebrity on the roster.

[Torontojim]

Shocked Valencia is gone. Valuable against lefties.

[comeon sense]

Man, this one hurts for some reason.

Yes,this move just feels wrong-bad,whatever.

I,m still seeing that monster hr in Oakland,not that long ago.Dont know if we won that game or not,but you can recall quite a few of his big hits,and he did way more positive things than negative.

Is Gibby really responsible for this?

Just hope this doesn,t hurt us down the road,or we get him back somehow.

Yankees have a few lefties in their bullpen......

[jaysfan2014]

The likely reason for Valencia's DFA is likely due to the fact that with Belo and Smoak playing 1B and Revere in LF and EE at DH, Valencia has no place to play, and would've seen his playing time disappear. Not to mention he is actually a poor fielder in the OF and 3B. With the roster changes, there's no spot for him to even fill in on the roster now even against LHP, since Revere is playing every day.

 

At least Smoak will see more playing time.. and as long as Bello is kept at 1B/DH and away from the OF as much as possible, he's fine. And hopefully Pompey gets called up soon.

[Jayday]

Didn't AA say yesterday or a few days ago that as a GM he realizes now that talent is not the only important thing, but clubhouse chemistry and a winning attitude?

 

No, he said character is important, don't think that translates into "chemistry" and what in the world is winning attitude? Oh maybe it's being positive,upbeat..fun even when losing? Kinda like Reyes, who many dumped on him for behaving in this way. My slant on character is, always do your best, prepare yourself for the game by getting familiar with the opposing teams strengths and weakness, get to the field early before games and practice hard,help your fellow team mates anyway you can, don't criticize team mates during a game. Buehrle would be the guy i'd want other players to emulate on and off the field, no temper, always calm always thinking and congenial .

[Jayday]

f***ing idiots.. Valencia is good.

 

Hahaha, looking forward to seeing him in the 2016 all-star game.

[Jayday]

I hope the Yankees pick up Valencia and he crushes the Jays when Price is on the mound. What f***ing idiots in this organization!

 

Booting you to the yankees board. BEGONE !!!!

[Jayday]

I bet price might kind of regret his joking comments at his presser now lol. I bet money did play a factor in this decision, but it literally makes no sense to keep cola with smoak already manning the bench

 

Smoak is like goins , you put him in the late innings with the lead, neither should start a game when everyone is healthy, both are brutal with the bat.

[GD]

Smoak is like goins , you put him in the late innings with the lead, neither should start a game when everyone is healthy, both are brutal with the bat.

 

...No.

[xposbrad]

such a stupid move, all for Revere, or cola or goins? lol ..

 

Valencia should have been kept, and not that he's an all star or anything, because not every fkn player in mlb is one, but he's been hitting well, and he's decent in the field. He can also go if/of. Well at least Rogers will save the 600k remaining on his deal, he'll get picked up very fast.

Edited August 1, 2015 by xposbrad

[nextyear]

The more I think about this the more I hate seeing Valencia go. If Kawasaki was a much better 2nd baseman than Valencia then it would make more sense to DFA Valencia, however, watching Kawasaki at 2B today was painful, I would rather have Goins at SS and Valencia at 2B (when required to give Tulowitzki a day off).

 

i guess that the plan is for Travis to return and send Kawasaki back to AAA but who knows when that will be?

[TheHurl]

Not a fan of Bluebird banter but here is their take on Valencia. They have a deal in place for Monday and if they sent Collabello down they wouldn't be able to bring Bello back up for 10 days.

 

In theory it makes sense...but the fact that they don't truly need Collabello or Valencia for those 8 days (bring up Pompey) blows the theory out of the water.

 

http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2015/8/1/9084409/why-was-danny-valencia-dfaed

[Sorrow]

Not a fan of Bluebird banter but here is their take on Valencia. They have a deal in place for Monday and if they sent Collabello down they wouldn't be able to bring Bello back up for 10 days.

 

In theory it makes sense...but the fact that they don't truly need Collabello or Valencia for those 8 days (bring up Pompey) blows the theory out of the water.

 

http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2015/8/1/9084409/why-was-danny-valencia-dfaed

 

I was actually thinking something similar myself. I know we wanted an 8 man 'pen for today with Dickey on short rest (might be tired after 4-5). I still think that sending Colabello down was the right move and calling Pompey up after the game was the right move.

 

A bench of Valencia, Kawasaki (Goins when Travis is healthy), Pompey and Navarro looks a lot better than Colabello, Navarro, Pompey and Goins.

[goeb]

Hands down the worst move of the year by the Jays.

 

There is little logic to it as Valencia could've played second base. Even if his glove wouldn't be as good as Kawasaki, his bat would overcompensate for any liability there.

[flafson]

The mistake here was switching Kawasaki for Valencia. Having said that, the only reason you would have Kawasaki playing is if you needed a defensive replacement which means Kawasaki is better than Valencia.

Personally i would prefer to keep Kawasaki in the minors and leave Valencia on the bench.

[LTR]

Hands down the worst move of the year by the Jays.

 

There is little logic to it as Valencia could've played second base. Even if his glove wouldn't be as good as Kawasaki, his bat would overcompensate for any liability there.

 

Good timing buddy.

[AdamGreenwood]

Colabello deserves a spot on the Jays.

 

Guy is hitting a ton. Sure, his defense is not great, but I love having his clutch bat in the lineup.

Unlike Edwin, he can at least play in the outfield. Playing multiple positions (even poorly) makes you a MORE valuable player, but Fangraphs doesn't think so.

 

You kiddies need to stop basing everything on fWar, and use your eyes once in a while.

[LTR]

Colabello deserves a spot on the Jays.

 

Guy is hitting a ton. Sure, his defense is not great, but I love having his clutch bat in the lineup.

Unlike Edwin, he can at least play in the outfield. Playing multiple positions (even poorly) makes you a MORE valuable player, but Fangraphs doesn't think so.

 

You kiddies need to stop basing everything on fWar, and use your eyes once in a while.

 

At 1B he's not nearly as much of a liability as LF, he may even provide some overall value there... and his fWAR seems accurate to me based on how atrocious his LF defense was/is. Keep him out of LF and you wont hear any complaints from me.

 

UZR/150 2015:

 

1B: -10

LF: -44.7 (lol)

[GD]

Colabello deserves a spot on the Jays.

 

Guy is hitting a ton. Sure, his defense is not great, but I love having his clutch bat in the lineup.

Unlike Edwin, he can at least play in the outfield. Playing multiple positions (even poorly) makes you a MORE valuable player, but Fangraphs doesn't think so.

 

You kiddies need to stop basing everything on fWar, and use your eyes once in a while.

 

I didn't want to correct this glorious, classic AG post but it actually does. Positional adjustment. Continue though, we need more of this nowadays

[bowld]

Valencia claimed by Oakland

[dbyrks]

Phew! Not the Yankees. I thought they'd get him and we'd see Valencia crush Price four times down the stretch.

[AdamGreenwood]

I didn't want to correct this glorious, classic AG post but it actually does. Positional adjustment. Continue though, we need more of this nowadays

 

You're missing the point.

 

Ok, let me break it down for you.

 

Player A and Player B are equal at batting and baserunning.

Player A and Player B are also equal at first base.

 

Player A only plays first base, and is completely incapable of playing anywhere else.

Player B can play left field, but does a very poor job at it.

 

Which player is more valuable to the team?

Which player is more likely to have a higher fWAR (assuming Player B gets a lot of innings in left field)?

[GD]

tl;dr so i agree

 

didn't mean to get in the way of a legend

[BTS]

You're missing the point.

 

Ok, let me break it down for you.

 

Player A and Player B are equal at batting and baserunning.

Player A and Player B are also equal at first base.

 

Player A only plays first base, and is completely incapable of playing anywhere else.

Player B can play left field, but does a very poor job at it.

 

Which player is more valuable to the team?

Which player is more likely to have a higher fWAR (assuming Player B gets a lot of innings in left field)?

 

It's Chris Colabello we're talking about. Of the thousands and thousands of players in professional affiliated baseball he's probably like bottom 1% in terms of outfield defense. The fact that Gibby keeps throwing him out there to make a fool of himself doesn't add to his value.