AA Approval Rating (Post Trade Deadline)

[BTS]

I thought about Moore but I couldn't really do it. I'd still take AA over him. And Duquette, and Daniels.

 

I'm not committed to my Daniels inclusion. It feels so weird putting Moore on their, but I love what he's assembled. Leveraging that huge OF with elite OF defense and a bunch of low-investment fly ball pitchers is pretty brilliant. I also love the lockdown 7-8-9 combo, but he kinda stumbled into that.

[DuckDuckGose]

I don't think AA is anywhere near those guys and that's no disrespect to AA

 

We're talking GMs not front offices. AA is absolutely on their level, Beeston is not

[North of 60]

We all knew the holes before the season started, if they were addressed earlier we would be playing for the division instead of the wild card right now.

[BTS]

We're talking GMs not front offices. AA is absolutely on their level, Beeston is not

 

It's funny you say that when AA's biggest flaws should really be beneath Beeston's pay grade: finding useful talent for the bench. Recognizing the difference between a 1-win player and 0-win player. Fitting together a cohesive 25-man unit full of complementary players. He knows Josh Donaldson, Mark Buehrle, Tulo etc... are good at baseball. Dows he know Colabello isn't? Navarro? I'm not sure AA has a firm understanding of what makes a player good at baseball.

[GD]

I'm not committed to my Daniels inclusion. It feels so weird putting Moore on their, but I love what he's assembled. Leveraging that huge OF with elite OF defense and a bunch of low-investment fly ball pitchers is pretty brilliant. I also love the lockdown 7-8-9 combo, but he kinda stumbled into that.

 

He also should have traded half of them. Hochevar, Madson, Davis, Herrera and Holland is insane, but they steal from each other's opportunities and he missed the boat on Holland.

[DuckDuckGose]

Silverman

Dombrowski

Duquette

Hoyer

Antonetti

Luhnow

Moore (maybe?)

Alderson

Beane

Huntington

Sabean

Mozeliak

Zaidi

Rizzo (probably)

Daniels

 

I really don't think half those guys are clearly better than AA. They might be but Alex would be in the conversation

[BTS]

He also should have traded half of them. Hochevar, Madson, Davis, Herrera and Holland is insane, but they steal from each other's opportunities and he missed the boat on Holland.

 

Yeah. I think a more shrewd man would have flipped Holland in the offseason, but I don't blame him for sitting on them at the deadline. He probably wasn't going to get MLB help for them, so why weaken the team by a couple of runs?

[bill]

I have a bad feeling that these trades will blow up in AA's face.

[GD]

Yeah. I think a more shrewd man would have flipped Holland in the offseason, but I don't blame him for sitting on them at the deadline. He probably wasn't going to get MLB help for them, so why weaken the team by a couple of runs?

 

To be clear I meant gotten rid of them as in far past tense. A while ago. They've already lost value by keeping them, there's no point in dealing them anymore. Should've dealt them in the offseason honestly. At least Holland.

[DuckDuckGose]

It's funny you say that when AA's biggest flaws should really be beneath Beeston's pay grade: finding useful talent for the bench. Recognizing the difference between a 1-win player and 0-win player. Fitting together a cohesive 25-man unit full of complementary players. He knows Josh Donaldson, Mark Buehrle, Tulo etc... are good at baseball. Dows he know Colabello isn't? Navarro? I'm not sure AA has a firm understanding of what makes a player good at baseball.

 

It's just harder to acquire depth then we choose to acknowledge. IMO AA has gotten talent that many of those GMs could only dream of. He's a tireless worker who tries to add elite talent at every opportunity and he drafts/develops well to help augment that approach.

[BTS]

To be clear I meant gotten rid of them as in far past tense. A while ago. They've already lost value by keeping them, there's no point in dealing them anymore. Should've dealt them in the offseason honestly. At least Holland.

 

I think that's a fair assessment.

[BTS]

It's just harder to acquire depth then we choose to acknowledge. IMO AA has gotten talent that many of those GMs could only dream of. He's a tireless worker who tries to add elite talent at every opportunity and he drafts/develops well to help augment that approach.

 

He's developed a certain MO as far as building teams: consolidate young, cheap assets into older, better, more expensive players. I think we can point to 5 different trades that fit the template now. It will be interesting to see how it plays out:

 

Marlins trade: huge value loss

Dickey trade: disastrous

Donaldson trade: slam dunk win

Tulo trade: ??

Price trade: likely a big loss, team pretty much needs to go to the WS for it to work out

[GD]

He's developed a certain MO as far as building teams: consolidate young, cheap assets into older, better, more expensive players. I think we can point to 5 different trades that fit the template now. It will be interesting to see how it plays out:

 

Marlins trade: huge value loss

Dickey trade: disastrous

Donaldson trade: slam dunk win

Tulo trade: ??

Price trade: likely a big loss, team pretty much needs to go to the WS for it to work out

 

I think the Tulo trade is a very good trade by process

[BTS]

I think the Tulo trade is a very good trade by process

 

I'm still ambivalent about it. I'm pretty averse to players with long injury histories. Tulo obviously has the ability to turn it into a Donaldson-esque win, there's no questioning that.

[DuckDuckGose]

He's developed a certain MO as far as building teams: consolidate young, cheap assets into older, better, more expensive players. I think we can point to 5 different trades that fit the template now. It will be interesting to see how it plays out:

 

Marlins trade: huge value loss

Dickey trade: disastrous

Donaldson trade: slam dunk win

Tulo trade: ??

Price trade: likely a big loss, team pretty much needs to go to the WS for it to work out

 

The Dickey deal was the only truly bad deal (and it was terrible). Miami didn't work out but he got the best players in the deal and really didn't give up anything too significant. It was worth the gamble and a damn shame JJ couldn't get healthy. I like that he takes risks though, done deals won't work out but at least he isn't afraid to pull the trigger.

[GD]

I'm still ambivalent about it. I'm pretty averse to players with long injury histories. Tulo obviously has the ability to turn it into a Donaldson-esque win, there's no questioning that.

 

Thing is though, you have to consider the situation we were in versus the situation we're now in. We likely weren't moving Reyes for anything of value, and for the price of including Hoffman (who isn't a phenom, as of now), we turned a strongly negative asset of an injury prone SS into a strongly positive asset of an injury prone SS.

 

If Tulo plays 110 games a year, he's very likely worth his contract. Assuming Reyes plays 110 games a year, it's kind of a coin flip. Assuming even injuries, we upgraded our situation immensely.

[DuckDuckGose]

The deals have to be there... It takes 2 teams.

 

We know he was at least looking to make a deal, sometimes there just isn't one to make.

[North of 60]

The deals have to be there... It takes 2 teams.

 

And 1 team to sign a FA.

 

Before the season started, one of the biggest needs, if not the biggest, was an improved bullpen/closer. Had he just made some moves for the bullpen instead of wasting the development and experimenting with Castro and Osuna we would have saved at least 2-3 wins minimum. Everyone on this forum knew that.

 

Also, I can't see how anyone can strongly approve of the job of AA when he has Gibbons managing the team.

[BTS]

The Dickey deal was the only truly bad deal (and it was terrible). Miami didn't work out but he got the best players in the deal and really didn't give up anything too significant. It was worth the gamble and a damn shame JJ couldn't get healthy. I like that he takes risks though, done deals won't work out but at least he isn't afraid to pull the trigger.

 

The Miami deal actually worked pretty much exactly as expected. I'm not sure why people keep saying otherwise. Buehrle has been Buehrle. Reyes played at like a 3.5 win pace while missing like 30% of games. One of the biggest injury red flags in baseball went down. Bonifacio was Bonifacio.

[burlingtonbandit]

He's developed a certain MO as far as building teams: consolidate young, cheap assets into older, better, more expensive players. I think we can point to 5 different trades that fit the template now. It will be interesting to see how it plays out:

 

Marlins trade: huge value loss

Dickey trade: disastrous

Donaldson trade: slam dunk win

Tulo trade: ??

Price trade: likely a big loss, team pretty much needs to go to the WS for it to work out

 

His moves have been pretty good this year. Built a pretty good bullpen. Not sure how Alderson has done anything to be considered better than AA.

[Jimcanuck]

out of all the pitchers moved, likely two, maybe three become no. 3 or better starters

 

but f*** it, 22 years right

 

voted neither approve or disapprove, AA did not get raped

 

lets just hope we see some post season

[Caper]

I'm still ambivalent about it. I'm pretty averse to players with long injury histories. Tulo obviously has the ability to turn it into a Donaldson-esque win, there's no questioning that.

 

Would you have done the deal? If you were the GM?

[BTS]

Would you have done the deal? If you were the GM?

 

Probably. I dunno, it depends on a lot of things - what kind of options I had for dumping Reyes, what my doctors thought of his medicals, what else was out there for Hoffman and Castro etc...

[Captain Adama]

Probably. I dunno, it depends on a lot of things - what kind of options I had for dumping Reyes, what my doctors thought of his medicals, what else was out there for Hoffman and Castro etc...

 

In this case, especially since asking around is one of AA's strengths, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he did all of that before he made the trade.

[Caper]

Probably. I dunno, it depends on a lot of things - what kind of options I had for dumping Reyes, what my doctors thought of his medicals, what else was out there for Hoffman and Castro etc...

 

 

Isn't where he is today an indication of what your other options were?

 

From everything I have read the Jays did their homework on the medicals. Of course it remains a concern, but all you can do is go by the best information you have now. I believe them if the think Tulo's injury history may not be reflective of his injury future.

[Caper]

It looks better if you look at all the trades in the past year as one big trade.

 

Donaldson

Tulowinski

Travis

Price

Estrada

Revere

Saunders

Hawkins

Lowe

 

Hoffman

Lawrie

Reyes

Lind

Gose

Nolan

Barreto

Graveman

Happ

Norris

Boyd

Labourt

Tinoco

Castro

Cordero

Tirado

Wells

Brentz

Ramussen

[Spanky99]

Probably. I dunno, it depends on a lot of things - what kind of options I had for dumping Reyes, what my doctors thought of his medicals, what else was out there for Hoffman and Castro etc...

 

Nice deke, well played BTS.

[Atothe]

In this case, especially since asking around is one of AA's strengths, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he did all of that before he made the trade.

 

If that rejected Carrasco offer tells us anything, we know he looked hard

[McD]

I am firmly in the approve camp as the positive moves he has made outweigh the negatives.

 

Obviously the dickey trade was a huge error but the way he has rebuilt the farm system twice in a way that JPR never could is a massive plus for me. There's no way we could have dreamt about trading for JD, Tulo or price 10 years ago.

 

I enjoy the buzz he has created around the place at several points in the last 5 years, particularly with the high profile trades this year. I think these outweigh the negatives of poor bench management as it is much more impactful.

 

Also, I think we underestimate how difficult it is to create an effective roster when working in Toronto & you have a limited chance at snapping up top free agents. I think he had done extremely well to create one of the best teams in the AL through his drafting and subsequent trading.

[Angrioter]

If AA keep his job, Carrasco will be in the team next winter meeting.