Norris or Hoffman

[burlingtonbandit]

With trade season coming up I thought it would be interesting to ask the question who would you rather keep out of Norris of Hoffman if both are valued around equally. The Poll will be for which player you want the Jays to keep.

[Atothe]

Obviously Norris. Younger, relatively health, lefty with three above average pitches and made the majors already.

[RealAccountant]

Find another way

[HERPDERP]

If you had done this poll 4 weeks ago the results would be different.

[Brownie19]

I never realised how old Hoffman is...

 

Norris has the swing and miss stuff, but poor command/control, while it looks like Hoffman has good command/control, but not the swing and miss stuff.

[Daniel Labude]

Not even a debate.....HOFFMAN

[TheHurl]

If you had done this poll 4 weeks ago the results would be different.

 

people love the unknown. Hoffman not blowing away hitters isn't unexpected (he didn't K a guy per inning until his junior year at EC) but if you asked people before his first start what his numbers will look like it probably would have been much higher than Junior year numbers.

[Angrioter]

people love the unknown. Hoffman not blowing away hitters isn't unexpected (he didn't K a guy per inning until his junior year at EC) but if you asked people before his first start what his numbers will look like it probably would have been much higher than Junior year numbers.

 

He's facing little kids; he should be missing bats.

[TheHurl]

He's facing little kids; he should be missing bats.

 

he's also a month back from surgery. Don't get me wrong. I would have traded Hoffman while hurt just based on the Giolito effect, but I don't think we can judge anything but his Velocity right now.

[RealAccountant]

What are we talking about here ? Trading more kids? You guys didn't learn your lesson two nights ago? Want to give away more future ?

 

AA failed in the off season to acquire depth. It's time for him to take his consequences. Any deal now is a bad deal unless for money

[TheHurl]

What are we talking about here ? Trading more kids? You guys didn't learn your lesson two nights ago? Want to give away more future ?

 

AA failed in the off season to acquire depth. It's time for him to take his consequences. Any deal now is a bad deal unless for money

 

Fans will revolt if the Jays do nothing and come up short. Fans will revolt if the Jays come up short after they trade a Matt Boyd for a lesser known entity and others in the AL East make big name deals. Jays have to make the playoffs or at least make the casual fans think they are trying. Norris and Hoffman are the two biggest assets they have not on the big club.

[GD]

Norris which is no fault of Hoffman's

 

I'm also #1 Norris fanboy so

[baubau]

I'm also #1 Norris fanboy so

 

[RealAccountant]

Fans will revolt if the Jays do nothing and come up short. Fans will revolt if the Jays come up short after they trade a Matt Boyd for a lesser known entity and others in the AL East make big name deals. Jays have to make the playoffs or at least make the casual fans think they are trying. Norris and Hoffman are the two biggest assets they have not on the big club.

 

Good its time for Alex to go. This regime has not been successful

[Angrioter]

Fans will revolt if the Jays do nothing and come up short. Fans will revolt if the Jays come up short after they trade a Matt Boyd for a lesser known entity and others in the AL East make big name deals. Jays have to make the playoffs or at least make the casual fans think they are trying. Norris and Hoffman are the two biggest assets they have not on the big club.

 

Which would be a "Rodriguez for Andy Milla" kind of deal for the Jays?

 

Norris for Papelbon?

Urena + Boyd for A.J. Ramos?

Pentecost for Francisco Rodriguez?

Reid-Foley for Jason Grilli?

[Boxcar]

Not even a debate.....HOFFMAN

 

So many quotables

[Brownie19]

What are we talking about here ? Trading more kids? You guys didn't learn your lesson two nights ago? Want to give away more future ?

 

AA failed in the off season to acquire depth. It's time for him to take his consequences. Any deal now is a bad deal unless for money

 

I fail to see how acquiring depth in the offseason is going to be any different than acquiring it now - unless you're talking about signing free agents. You wanted him to get more depth in the offseason, which would have required trading someone.....now you say any deal is a bad deal.

 

yur dubm

[LTR]

I fail to see how acquiring depth in the offseason is going to be any different than acquiring it now - unless you're talking about signing free agents. You wanted him to get more depth in the offseason, which would have required trading someone.....now you say any deal is a bad deal.

 

yur dubm

 

Your dumn ... stop replying to it ...

[RealAccountant]

I fail to see how acquiring depth in the offseason is going to be any different than acquiring it now - unless you're talking about signing free agents. You wanted him to get more depth in the offseason, which would have required trading someone.....now you say any deal is a bad deal.

 

yur dubm

 

Yeah that's right. I wanted him to sign free agents. So that the only resource expanded was money. Also given our young members of the rotation holding on the depth we already had would have been good (happ)

[saskjayfan]

coin flip is probably the best way to decide this one

[dineke]

When in doubt, get rid of the hippie.

[Brownie19]

Yeah that's right. I wanted him to sign free agents. So that the only resource expanded was money. Also given our young members of the rotation holding on the depth we already had would have been good (happ)

 

You realise:

 

1. Both parties have to be interested for a FA signing to occur.

2. The team has an internal budget. You have to have money available to sign FA's.

3. Signing good FA's costs us draft picks.

[admin]

Never been a huge Norris fan.

[IronLadle]

I wouldn't be looking to trade either of these guys, but I'd probably stick Norris in the pen and see how he fares.

[Brownie19]

I wouldn't be looking to trade either of these guys, but I'd probably stick Norris in the pen and see how he fares.

 

you mean now? short term? long term?

[HERPDERP]

Never been a huge Norris fan.

 

ban

[RealAccountant]

My man loves my huge Norris.

 

Fixed

[LTR]

ban

 

Not sure the admin is inclined to ban himself.

[Caper]

I remember Osuna coming back and having some really bad games. It takes time. I assume Hoffman will be fine.

[DuckDuckGose]

You move Norris because he is good not great and has immense value. This way you limit the risk of Hoffman finding his secondaries as he regains his form. Keep Matt Boyd as a backend lefty and bring him up soon so he can learn from Buehrle (as every lefty in the org should)