2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[RealAccountant]

It feels like what happens to Jays this year is what happens to them.every year. They get lots of positive surprises but ultimately ate letdown by 2 or 3 players who they counted on the most. This year it's Dickey Cecil and Hutch. Before it was Romero Morrow etc

[BigCecil]

If the Jays are ever going to become a good team they need to develop their own talent, we can't sell the farm every time we get in a race. We're not the Dodgers

 

Bingo.

 

Thanks Captain Obvious. Who could argue with a statement that we need to develop our own talent? Its not an either/or proposition. And exactly how many races have we been in since 1993? lol

 

This year we actually have a real shot. JD was all about trading talent we developed for an elite player. But that's ok? Sure it is. Martin was a key FA investment. Good teams supplement their home grown talent with strategic deals at appropriate times.

 

Don't fall in love with prospects. "Next year"s team will have its own new set of variables and holes even if no deal(s) is made.

 

Seems moot anyway re Hamels if more recent reports are true.

Edited July 5, 2015 by BigCecil

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

^ yup! Sounds right! sigh !

[GD]

lol @ 4 years of Hutch for half year of Cueto

[ElNik2013]

How about 4 years of Hutch for half season of Cueto. I'd do it.

Then get shark and I think we'd be fine.

 

Cueto

Shark

Buerhle

s***

s***

Maybe find a way to get kazmir to, our pitching is f***ed!

 

 

 

Half a year of Cueto, Shark and Kazmir for what?

 

Likely 3-4 years of Hutchison, and at least 6 of Norris, Hoffman, Pompey.

 

Pass.

[ElNik2013]

Can we stop with the garbage idea that Hutchison is garbage?

 

Yes, he's gotten bad results, but his stats suggest he'll get on a roll.

 

 

Targets should be buy lows types like the Yankees did with McCarthy last year. There are indications that Latos may have regained his velocity, although that remains to be seen, but these types of trades are what I'd look at. No way I'd be giving up my top prospects when there will be plenty of FA SP in a few months.

 

Play the FA game for a f***ing change.

[Qwerty]

Can we stop with the garbage idea that Hutchison is garbage?

 

Yes, he's gotten bad results, but his stats suggest he'll get on a roll.

 

 

Targets should be buy lows types like the Yankees did with McCarthy last year. There are indications that Latos may have regained his velocity, although that remains to be seen, but these types of trades are what I'd look at. No way I'd be giving up my top prospects when there will be plenty of FA SP in a few months.

 

Play the FA game for a f***ing change.

 

His stats do not suggest "he'll get on a "roll".

 

they suggest his good games are very good and his bad games are bad.

 

Statistics cant determine timing in that way.

[pat_borders]

I used to be against trading our hyped up prospects but it just seems like so many of these kids flame out or just become average MLB regulars. Keep one of Norris and Hoffman and move whatever else it takes to get a Cueto and Chapman, J. Upton too please!

[GD]

His stats do not suggest "he'll get on a "roll".

 

they suggest his good games are very good and his bad games are bad.

 

Statistics cant determine timing in that way.

 

Well, yeah, they can

[pat_borders]

Half a year of Cueto, Shark and Kazmir for what?

 

Likely 3-4 years of Hutchison, and at least 6 of Norris, Hoffman, Pompey.

 

Pass.

 

I disagree, Hamels has been on the trade market for a year now and nobodys paid the price.

[Daniel Labude]

Can we stop with the garbage idea that Hutchison is garbage?

 

Yes, he's gotten bad results, but his stats suggest he'll get on a roll.

 

 

Targets should be buy lows types like the Yankees did with McCarthy last year. There are indications that Latos may have regained his velocity, although that remains to be seen, but these types of trades are what I'd look at. No way I'd be giving up my top prospects when there will be plenty of FA SP in a few months.

 

Play the FA game for a f***ing change.

 

Predictive stats are not always correct...to assume Hutch will turn it around is just hoping on luck. He isnt garbage but he has been a bad pitcher most of this season.

[ElNik2013]

I disagree, Hamels has been on the trade market for a year now and nobodys paid the price.

 

 

 

He said he'd trade 4 years of Hutchison for half of Cueto. Then he said go get Shark and maybe Kazmir. So this is about what he said he'd give up for Cueto.

 

I mentioned Norris, Hoffman and Pompey as possibly traded to get Shark and Kazmir.

 

As far as Hamels is concerned, he won't come to Toronto so it's a moot point and the Phillies don't have to trade him this July.

[SAAviour]

If not 4 years of hutch for Cueto would you prefer 6 years of Hoffman? Or what would u give up?

 

I guess it's impossible to know what it will take to land anyone with all teams around 6 games out.

[GD]

If not 4 years of hutch for Cueto would you prefer 6 years of Hoffman? Or what would u give up?

 

I guess it's impossible to know what it will take to land anyone with all teams around 6 games out.

 

Nothing. The price on Cueto is going to be stupid and I don't want to pay it.

[Qwerty]

Well, yeah, they can

 

If this was actually true (which its not), you could rest all of your star offensive players when you knew a pitcher was going to put up zeros.

 

Statistics do not work that way.

[GD]

If this was actually true (which its not), you could rest all of your star offensive players when you knew a pitcher was going to put up zeros.

 

Statistics do not work that way.

 

You can measure variance in a pitcher's starts

 

Also, relevant: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-value-in-pitcher-inconsistency/

[SAAviour]

Nothing. The price on Cueto is going to be stupid and I don't want to pay it.

 

Very possibly the correct stance, it's just going to suck to waste a historic offence.

[Qwerty]

You can measure variance in a pitcher's starts

 

Ok, but that tells you nothing about timing.

It just gives you a value for use in the aggregate.

A guy that goes 8 strong for 2 and gets lit up for 1 in no way suggests he is going to even out or "go on a roll".

He may just be flat out inconsistent.

In hutch's case i dont think there is enough evidence to suggest otherwise.

[BTS]

If this team was like 48-35 or something I'd definitely entertain moving Hutchison for Cueto. Not just to increase the already high probability of a playoff berth, but to matchup against guys like Keuchel, Price, and Tanaka in the playoffs. Cueto would be a huge weapon in the playoffs, especially when you don't give a s*** about his arm long term. Definitely wouldn't make the trade with the team sitting 42-41.

[BTS]

Ok, but that tells you nothing about timing.

It just gives you a value for use in the aggregate.

A guy that goes 8 strong for 2 and gets lit up for 1 in no way suggests he is going to even out or "go on a roll".

He may just be flat out inconsistent.

In hutch's case i dont think there is enough evidence to suggest otherwise.

 

Does it matter? Hutch can pitch 2 gems and get bombed every three starts, and if he's finishing the season with an ERA that matches his xFIP he's valuable. All that matters is why his ERA has been so high relative to his peripherals, and whether or not you expect that to continue going forward.

[Qwerty]

Does it matter? Hutch can pitch 2 gems and get bombed every three starts, and if he's finishing the season with an ERA that matches his xFIP he's valuable. All that matters is why his ERA has been so high relative to his peripherals, and whether or not you expect that to continue going forward.

 

Yes it does matter when your offense is not the norm like ours.

 

The guy that is evened out gives us more chances to win because offense is exponential.

[Qwerty]

If you are suggesting his peripherals are consistent start to start then ok.

 

But i find that very hard to believe.

[IronLadle]

If this team was like 48-35 or something I'd definitely entertain moving Hutchison for Cueto. Not just to increase the already high probability of a playoff berth, but to matchup against guys like Keuchel, Price, and Tanaka in the playoffs. Cueto would be a huge weapon in the playoffs, especially when you don't give a s*** about his arm long term. Definitely wouldn't make the trade with the team sitting 42-41.

 

this

[ElNik2013]

Nick Cafardo on what other teams are asking the Jays to give up:

 

 

Among the players teams are asking the Blue Jays about include Daniel Norris, Roberto Osuna, Kevin Pillar, Aaron Sanchez, Miguel Castro, Dalton Pompey, and Devon Travis. It will take some combination of those to acquire a starter and/or closer.

 

 

Depends on what starter you're talking about.

[Spanky__99]

His stats do not suggest "he'll get on a "roll".

 

they suggest his good games are very good and his bad games are bad.

 

Statistics cant determine timing in that way.

 

Heh...

[Daniel Labude]

Nick Cafardo on what other teams are asking the Jays to give up:

 

 

 

 

 

Depends on what starter you're talking about.

 

Devon Travis, Osuna, possibly Pillar should be absolutely untouchable. We can not tradade for a starter by making our team extemely bad up the middle. We finally fixed our 10 yr 2B problem with Travis...he should go no where. Osuna is the only thing making our bullpen serviceable. Pillar should not be traded unless they are 1000% certain they will stick with Pompey. Sanchez, Norris, and Castro are all tradeable but only for star level returns. If not, keep them and trade the other prospects not named Rowdy, Alford, and Hoffman

[RealAccountant]

^ I wouldn't give up anything. Based on where Dickey is now, and the fifth starter is Boyd. I wouldn't trade. I'd fire AA today, and sell off the vets for MLB ready pitching, build around Donaldson, Martin, Travis, Pillar, and Smoak.

 

EE should be traded so Smoak can play every day. We have him cheap and under control for two more years. If we can trade Bautista, Encarnacion, Buerleh, Estrada, Cola etc. and just get two young pitchers with the potentiol of being good starters, we can jumpstart the retooling.

 

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[RealAccountant]

Pillar should not be an untouchable. He should be one of the first offered. Pillar will not maintain this production,

[Daniel Labude]

Pillar should not be an untouchable. He should be one of the first offered. Pillar will not maintain this production,

 

You cant trade Pillar and possibly Pompey and have Carrera start in CF and Valencia in LF....if they keep Pompey and decide he can play everyday now....then Pillar can be traded

[RealAccountant]

You cant trade Pillar and possibly Pompey and have Carrera start in CF and Valencia in LF....if they keep Pompey and decide he can play everyday now....then Pillar can be traded

 

You should be willing to trade anybody for pitching. Pitching is the corner stone of winning teams.