2015 Blue Jays Draft | Signings, Bonuses and Rumors Thread

[Ehjays]

They'll split the difference and sign for $550K at the deadline.

 

I believe they gave Pruitt this cash,,,,I think that offer might be off the table now

[TwistedLogic]

See, I knew they had a chance at signing Pruitt. Some dick on BBB kept insisting to me that I was wrong and they wouldn't get him. This same thing happened with Tellez and Brents a few years ago as well, and Pruitt's tweet about not signing happened before he was even drafted by the Jays. Good on the Jays for getting it done.

[Mikeleelop]

Very nice signing. Now get singer done and see what they have left

[Angrioter]

Very nice signing. Now get singer done and see what they have left

 

Singer is the next. Now jays know what they can pay to him.

[TwistedLogic]

Very nice signing. Now get singer done and see what they have left

 

After going 100K over on Williams and 400K over on Pruitt, the Jays have just $165,000 of savings remaining. If they are willing to go the 5% over their limit, that would give them an additional $270,550, for a total of $435,550 that they can offer to somebody over their slot.

[Deadpool]

After going 100K over on Williams and 400K over on Pruitt, the Jays have just $165,000 of savings remaining. If they are willing to go the 5% over their limit, that would give them an additional $270,550, for a total of $435,550 that they can offer to somebody over their slot.

 

I appreciate your tracking of this. It seems like they've been very, very efficient and have actually had a great haul, considering their relatively low pool overall.

[metafour]

See, I knew they had a chance at signing Pruitt. Some dick on BBB kept insisting to me that I was wrong and they wouldn't get him. This same thing happened with Tellez and Brents a few years ago as well, and Pruitt's tweet about not signing happened before he was even drafted by the Jays. Good on the Jays for getting it done.

 

You talking about me LOL?

 

Don't try and talk it up as if you foresaw this. This signing is pretty much entirely dependent on Justin Maese shockingly signing for only $300K, which no one on here could have predicted. I am surprised that it "only" took Pruitt $500K to sign because Vanderbilt kids typically price themselves way above their talent-level, but make no mistake that this signing almost certainly doesn't happen if we don't save nearly $340K on Maese.

 

I'm starting to think that we may have found something wrong with Maese's elbow given the drastic underslot deal combined with the fact that he still hasn't thrown a single pitch in the GCL despite being on the roster for a while. His draft-profile would mesh with this as well: sudden velocity spike, followed by a conclusion to his senior season in which his velocity fell back down to high 80s/low 90s.

[TwistedLogic]

You talking about me LOL?

 

Don't try and talk it up as if you foresaw this. This signing is pretty much entirely dependent on Justin Maese shockingly signing for only $300K, which no one on here could have predicted. I am surprised that it "only" took Pruitt $500K to sign because Vanderbilt kids typically price themselves way above their talent-level, but make no mistake that this signing almost certainly doesn't happen if we don't save nearly $340K on Maese.

 

I'm starting to think that we may have found something wrong with Maese's elbow given the drastic underslot deal combined with the fact that he still hasn't thrown a single pitch in the GCL despite being on the roster for a while. His draft-profile would mesh with this as well: sudden velocity spike, followed by a conclusion to his senior season in which his velocity fell back down to high 80s/low 90s.

 

No, I wasn't talking about you, so I'm not going to read the rest of your post.

[King]

No I wasn't talking about you, so I'm not going to read the rest of your post.

 

You should read it, he raised some interesting questions.

[Laika]

Full scouting report on Pruitt?

[metafour]

You should read it, he raised some interesting questions.

 

It never made much sense for Maese to be so quick to jump at what was essentially late 5th/early 6th round slot money. Even accounting for his desire to turn Pro, the kid had enough "hype" to warrant bargaining power of at least slot value at where he was drafted (3rd round), and with a Texas Tech commitment it isn't as if he had no place to go college wise.

 

Its starting to look very realistic that he took a discount because his physical revealed some sort of injury. I mean, he ended up taking less than Jose Espada, the Puerto Rican kid who barely anyone even knew about publicly.

[Laika]

You talking about me LOL?

 

Don't try and talk it up as if you foresaw this. This signing is pretty much entirely dependent on Justin Maese shockingly signing for only $300K, which no one on here could have predicted. I am surprised that it "only" took Pruitt $500K to sign because Vanderbilt kids typically price themselves way above their talent-level, but make no mistake that this signing almost certainly doesn't happen if we don't save nearly $340K on Maese.

 

I'm starting to think that we may have found something wrong with Maese's elbow given the drastic underslot deal combined with the fact that he still hasn't thrown a single pitch in the GCL despite being on the roster for a while. His draft-profile would mesh with this as well: sudden velocity spike, followed by a conclusion to his senior season in which his velocity fell back down to high 80s/low 90s.

 

+ this Blue Jays regime has shown an affinity for injured and potentially undervalued amateurs.

[Angrioter]

Full scouting report on Pruitt?

 

Ben Revere - range

[TwistedLogic]

You should read it, he raised some interesting questions.

 

I did now. I was going to get dinner when I made my previous post.

 

First off, I don't think that anyone should be all that surprised by how much Maese signed for. Nobody really had an accurate gauge on what his value was and where he should be ranked, and I think it was pretty widely understood that was very little chance that he wouldn't sign -- he was a pop-up guy who was extremely excited to go pro.

 

Secondly, I don't even see how Maese is all that relevant to this discussion in the first place. metafour's statement of "make no mistake that this signing almost certainly doesn't happen if we don't save nearly $340K on Maese" is obviously flawed, since the Jays still have $435K in excess funds available after the Pruitt signing. Maese's 340K had no bearing on this signing.

 

I think the biggest surprise here should be that Pruitt signed for just 500K. It was pretty accurately predicted by some that the Jays would have around 900K-1M in savings when the first batch of big signings were done, and I thought that if Pruitt were to sign, it would take most of that amount to do it.

 

Of the three sites that are tracking the draft signings, between us, BBB and BJP, I was the only one not to put a label of "not signing" next to Pruitt's name. After seeing what happened with guys like Alford, Brentz and Tellez, the only thing we can know for certain when it comes to teenagers making million dollar decisions is that we don't actually know anything at all.

[Deadpool]

I did now. I was going to get dinner when I made my previous post.

 

First off, I don't think that anyone should be all that surprised by how much Maese signed for. Nobody really had an accurate gauge on what his value was and where he should be ranked, and I think it was pretty widely understood that was very little chance that he wouldn't sign -- he was a pop-up guy who was extremely excited to go pro.

 

Secondly, I don't even see how Maese is all that relevant to this discussion in the first place. metafour's statement of "make no mistake that this signing almost certainly doesn't happen if we don't save nearly $340K on Maese" is obviously flawed, since the Jays still have $435K in excess funds available after the Pruitt signing. Maese's 340K had no bearing on this signing.

 

I think the biggest surprise here should be that Pruitt signed for just 500K. It was pretty accurately predicted by some that the Jays would have around 900K-1M in savings when the first batch of big signings were done, and I thought that if Pruitt were to sign, it would take most of that amount to do it.

 

Of the three sites that are tracking the draft signings, between us, BBB and BJP, I was the only one not to put a label of "not signing" next to Pruitt's name. After seeing what happened with guys like Alford, Brentz and Tellez, the only thing we can know for certain when it comes to teenagers making million dollar decisions is that we don't actually know anything at all.

 

This is cocky as f***, and I love it. You go TL.

[Laika]

I did now. I was going to get dinner when I made my previous post.

 

First off, I don't think that anyone should be all that surprised by how much Maese signed for. Nobody really had an accurate gauge on what his value was and where he should be ranked, and I think it was pretty widely understood that was very little chance that he wouldn't sign -- he was a pop-up guy who was extremely excited to go pro.

 

Secondly, I don't even see how Maese is all that relevant to this discussion in the first place. metafour's statement of "make no mistake that this signing almost certainly doesn't happen if we don't save nearly $340K on Maese" is obviously flawed, since the Jays still have $435K in excess funds available after the Pruitt signing. Maese's 340K had no bearing on this signing.

 

I think the biggest surprise here should be that Pruitt signed for just 500K. It was pretty accurately predicted by some that the Jays would have around 900K-1M in savings when the first batch of big signings were done, and I thought that if Pruitt were to sign, it would take most of that amount to do it.

 

Of the three sites that are tracking the draft signings, between us, BBB and BJP, I was the only one not to put a label of "not signing" next to Pruitt's name. After seeing what happened with guys like Alford, Brentz and Tellez, the only thing we can know for certain when it comes to teenagers making million dollar decisions is that we don't actually know anything at all.

 

Basically, everyone should just expect these guys to not sign but be excited if they do. Any type of thinking / analysis beyond that is kind of silly.

[metafour]

First off, I don't think that anyone should be all that surprised by how much Maese signed for. Nobody really had an accurate gauge on what his value was and where he should be ranked, and I think it was pretty widely understood that was very little chance that he wouldn't sign -- he was a pop-up guy who was extremely excited to go pro.

 

You should definitely be surprised. Just because he was seen as a near-lock to sign, doesn't mean that his negotiation tactic would be to accept the first deal thrown at him. Maese had multiple potential suitors in the supplemental first to 2nd rounds, Chris Crawford even mentioned that he had heard that we were considering him with our FIRST pick. The other big "pop-up" HS pitcher was Anthony Guardado who was drafted two picks before Maese, and he ended up signing for $550K or just barely under slot at his pick. So you're Justin Maese and you're hearing your name now solidly associated as a ~top 3 round talent, you've hit 96mph, and you've got a pretty decent Texas Tech scholly. You get drafted in the 3rd round (again, the range within which you expected) and you almost immediately sign for what is essentially the slot value of the first pick of the 6th round? It doesn't add up from a logical sense at all.

 

Secondly, I don't even see how Maese is all that relevant to this discussion in the first place. metafour's statement of "make no mistake that this signing almost certainly doesn't happen if we don't save nearly $340K on Maese" is obviously flawed, since the Jays still have $435K in excess funds available after the Pruitt signing. Maese's 340K had no bearing on this signing.

 

The Jays only have those excess funds if they go right up to their taxable limit, which is far from a certainty. Look at the news about Marrick Crouse turning down $500K, and then Pruitt signing right after for that same amount. Why would they turn down Crouse over a measly $100K if they were still operating under the impression that they have $400K+ left? If anything, it makes it look very much as if it came down to Pruitt/Crouse getting that one big $500K offer, with it being a "first one to take the offer gets it" approach. I think that Maese's deal is definitely relevant because if you look at the overall flow of money, the savings almost perfectly line up with the $500K excess that was spent on Pruitt and Christian Williams, with some wiggle room in there to throw a bit more at Singer if its required or maybe another ~$100K overslot type deal (ala C. Williams).

 

After seeing what happened with guys like Alford, Brentz and Tellez, the only thing we can know for certain when it comes to teenagers making million dollar decisions is that we don't actually know anything at all.

 

I don't think those scenarios match up at all. Alford was drafted in the 3rd round; as a kid who had told everyone not to draft him and that he wasn't signing, that high of a selection was a pretty strong indicator that the Jays knew they could get him signed (although it ended up taking a super-generous offer for Alford). Brentz and Tellez were similar cases as Pruitt (late round flier picks), but in those two scenarios we knew well ahead of time that we'd probably land at least one if not realistically both for the sheer fact that we knew well ahead of the deadline that Bickford wasn't going to sign. In this scenario, I'm confident that Maese's savings made this Pruitt signing an actual possibility, and no matter what you try and argue, Maese signing for only $300K (less than HALF his pick value) was a very shocking move. Like I said, don't be surprised if we find out that Maese has a partial tear in his elbow or something down the line, with that being the reason why he was so willing to take so little money.

[Boxcar]

See, I knew they had a chance at signing Pruitt. Some dick on BBB kept insisting to me that I was wrong and they wouldn't get him. This same thing happened with Tellez and Brents a few years ago as well, and Pruitt's tweet about not signing happened before he was even drafted by the Jays. Good on the Jays for getting it done.

 

GD is a dumb-dumb and you were right. Should sustain you for like, a week. Make sure you remind us every few days that you successfully predicted the signing of someone we'll probably never hear from again.

Edited June 30, 2015 by Boxcar

[GD]

used "ermahgerd" instead of "good golly gosh." 0/10

[Boxcar]

used "ermahgerd" instead of "good golly gosh." 0/10

 

Stop being a sidekick.

[NorthOf49]

All hail TwistedLogic, the draft oracle!

[GD]

Stop being a sidekick.

 

stop being dumn and not taking my advice

[TwistedLogic]

Why would they turn down Crouse over a measly $100K

Maybe because they like Pruitt at 500K more than they like Crouse at 600K.

 

Brentz and Tellez were similar cases as Pruitt (late round flier picks), but in those two scenarios we knew well ahead of time that we'd probably land at least one if not realistically both for the sheer fact that we knew well ahead of the deadline that Bickford wasn't going to sign.

 

When the Jays missed on Bickford, they lost all of his slot dollars, so once again, it had no relevance on the signings of Brentz and Tellez. In fact, that case was actually a perfect comp to this one, because just like Maese, Hollon signed for well below what people assumed he'd sign for, and it freed up enough dollars to get the others.

 

So you're Justin Maese and you're hearing your name now solidly associated as a ~top 3 round talent, you've hit 96mph, and you've got a pretty decent Texas Tech scholly. You get drafted in the 3rd round (again, the range within which you expected) and you almost immediately sign for what is essentially the slot value of the first pick of the 6th round? It doesn't add up from a logical sense at all.

Are you not reading what you're writing? So you're Justin Maese and you've got a pretty decent Texas Tech scholarship, you get drafted in the third round, the team that drafted you tells you they found something in your physical that makes them hesitate, and you almost immediately sign for half your perceived value, because "f*** it"? When you're hitting 96 and you've got a "pretty decent" commitment, if a team comes to you trying to low-ball you because of your physical, why would you immediately settle for half the slot?

 

The news that Maese was signing literally broke within a day of his draft selection. Sounds to me like the Jays talked to him before the draft like they talk to all the guys they're interested in, asked him if he'd sign for 300K if they made him a third rounder, and they got the go-ahead. Which would explain why there was no apparent pause for negotiations before Maese was going around telling people that he's signing. Rather than the idea that the team found something in his physical that very suddenly and very drastically altered his value, and yet, didn't result in any delay or hitch in the signing.

[King]

Hollon signed for cheap because his physical showed a 40% tear of his UCL

[Angrioter]

Hollon signed for cheap because his physical showed a 40% tear of his UCL

 

But Hollon is great. Hollon stud thread tomorrow.

[TwistedLogic]

Hollon signed for cheap because his physical showed a 40% tear of his UCL

 

I know that. I just mentioned him because his signing is what enabled the Brentz and Tellez signings. It had nothing to do with Bickford.

 

My point stands. I'm not saying that there's no way that Maese is hurt, but the idea that Maese lost half his perceived value because of his physical and still signed the next day is just stupid. Something like that would almost positively create a delay in the signing, especially for someone who'd actually be able to leverage a good commitment.

 

Just because the Jays signed him in the third round doesn't mean he had the value or stock of a third rounder (and clearly he didn't, based on his price tag). We have no way of knowing where he'd have gone if the Jays didn't take him. They do their due dilligence on every player they pick and they have a gauge on what it will take to get them ahead of time. If they knew they could sign him far below slot, there's no reason for them to not take him earlier and set up the rest of their board with that in mind.

[Mikeleelop]

Comment From mike

 

Bluejays sign Vandy commit Pruit, anything there besides speed and potential?

 

Kiley McDaniel

 

Plus speed, CF fit, twitchy athlete, has bat speed and decent results but swing is inconsistent. solid gamble. thought it would take more money than that to buy out Vandy

[TheHurl]

Buying out Vandy is always a coupé. That's a $300K education.

[burlingtonbandit]

Buying out Vandy is always a coupé. That's a $300K education.

 

Don't they get education payed for by signing anyway? Or is it a capped amount?

[StevieRay]

anything on Singer lately?