2015 MLB Draft GDT - Day 2 | June 9, 2015 - 12:30 PM ET | Live on MLB.com

[TwistedLogic]

HS pitcher. Really punting those picks boys!

 

That doesn't mean it isn't a "punt" for slot dollars. If it's going to take nothing to sign him, then that's what we've been talking about, or at least I have been. I don't think they'll necessarily waste picks on useless seniors, but I do think they'll go after way-underslot guys that might be decent players, but will save them a lot of slot, in case they need it later.

[ace3113]

Maybe for $5,000 AND a hot dog?

 

Who was that guy who said he would sign for a hot dog again? Azor?

[King]

Who was that guy who said he would sign for a hot dog again? Azor?

 

Yes

[metafour]

That doesn't mean it isn't a "punt" for slot dollars. If it's going to take nothing to sign him, then that's what we've been talking about, or at least I have been. I don't think they'll necessarily waste picks on useless seniors, but I do think they'll go after way-underslot guys that might be decent players, but will save them a lot of slot, in case they need it later.

 

Espada will sign for at least $100,000. I don't think you're getting "big discount" out of this pick. He's one of the top prospects from Puerto Rico, he's not signing for a bag of chips.

 

"Of the half-dozen pitching prospects headed into this draft class, Solá singled out right-hander Alexis Díaz, brother of pitcher Edwin Diaz, who was drafted 98th overall in 2012 by the Seattle Mariners. The younger Díaz, of Caguas Military and Sports Academy, is in a group that includes José Espada, Jovani Moran, Michael Rivera, Edrick Agosto, Jesús Ortiz and Reynaldo Rivera."

[TwistedLogic]

You guys act like we do that every year when we've literally only done it once, and it was a special scenario (an absurd amount of high picks).

 

Also, you're wrong about them doing it only once. They've done the punt strategy every year since the inception of the hard-slot draft, they've just made changes to grow their strategy each time. In 2012, they picked seven straight guys who they signed for $5000 or less, in 2013 they took Graveman, Girodo and Custons for $5000 or less, and in 2014 they picked Zehner (who screwed them and didn't sign), Romano (25K) and Metzler (10K).

 

They've made a concerted effort to save significant slot dollars in the mid to late part of the first ten rounds each year.

[ace3113]

Also, you're wrong about them doing it only once. They've done the punt strategy every year since the inception of the hard-slot draft, they've just made changes to grow their strategy each time. In 2012, they picked seven straight guys who they signed for $5000 or less, in 2013 they took Graveman, Girodo and Custons for $5000 or less, and in 2014 they picked Zehner (who screwed them and didn't sign), Romano (25K) and Metzler (10K).

 

They've made a concerted effort to save significant slot dollars in the mid to late part of the first ten rounds each year.

 

That's pretty much it. The strategy has evolved. They probably realized that the best value is in saving money without WASTING a pick. Just have to do a better job scouting and finding hidden gems.

[metafour]

Zehner was not a punt pick. He just didn't sign. He was a Junior who appeared on Top 500 lists. He appears on Top 500 lists this year as well.

 

I meant a full out "punt party". I know we took savings picks in the 9th and 10th rounds last year. Your initial post talked about us punting at Round 5, which is specifically what I was referring to. The only time we did that was the big 2012 draft. I never said we wouldn't take a pick or two under-slot in the ~8th-10th round range.

[King]

yay round 6

[ace3113]

yay round 6

 

King, how much do you think Wise and Espada sign for? Or what per cent of their slot?

[King]

King, how much do you think Wise and Espada sign for? Or what per cent of their slot?

 

I have no idea lol. Probably fair to assume they will sign for below slot deals, but not a complete punt (ex. $1000).

[TwistedLogic]

Zehner was not a punt pick. He just didn't sign. He was a Junior who appeared on Top 500 lists. He appears on Top 500 lists this year as well.

 

I meant a full out "punt party". I know we took savings picks in the 9th and 10th rounds last year. Your initial post talked about us punting at Round 5, which is specifically what I was referring to. The only time we did that was the big 2012 draft. I never said we wouldn't take a pick or two under-slot in the ~8th-10th round range.

 

Yeah, when I said punting, I only meant that they might take off-board guys that people aren't familiar with, that might save them significant portions of their slots. I don't expect them to go after useless guys or pick up a guy out of the air force academy for $5000, but I do expect them to chase guys like Boyd, Graveman and Greene.

[King]

Another Puerto Rican. Nestor Muriel. Born in June 1998, young guy.

[metafour]

Yeah, when I said punting, I only meant that they might take off-board guys that people aren't familiar with, that might save them significant portions of their slots. I don't expect them to go after useless guys or pick up a guy out of the air force academy for $5000, but I do expect them to chase guys like Boyd, Graveman and Greene.

 

A punt pick is by definition a guy who will sign for next to nothing.

 

What you are describing is just an underslot selection. Yeah, we'll probably take some cheap College picks to round out today like we did last year. "Punting" would refer to 2012 where we drafted seven straight guys who signed for $5,000 or less.

[King]

John Manuel ‏@johnmanuelba 16s17 seconds ago

The #Twins take a senior in the 6th round, but a good one. Chris Paul, 1b/of, may be the next Josh Satin or maybe good Allen Craig #MLBDraft

[TwistedLogic]

Anyone expect the Jays to have interest in Cole Irvin this year?

[ace3113]

Yeah, when I said punting, I only meant that they might take off-board guys that people aren't familiar with, that might save them significant portions of their slots. I don't expect them to go after useless guys or pick up a guy out of the air force academy for $5000, but I do expect them to chase guys like Boyd, Graveman and Greene.

 

Graveman was a nice get, especially since he helped net us Donaldson. He signed for only 5k (0.03% of his slot value of 150+k)

 

Boyd looks like he'll be useful too and he only signed for 75k (30% of his slot value of 250k)

 

More of those guys please.

[ace3113]

Anyone expect the Jays to have interest in Cole Irvin this year?

 

Reminded me of Nicolino coming out of HS.

[King]

Jordan Guerrero 2.0 taken

[King]

Jays up shortly

[King]

Jays OTC

[Angrioter]

Jays on

[King]

Jays take SS JC Cardenas

[GD]

JC Cardenas? Is that right? Yay hitters!

 

Drew Jackson went earlier. Like him.

[baubau]

I am surprised the Jays haven't taken Pompey Jr.

[King]

JC Cardenas profile

 

http://gobarrybucs.com/images/2015/2/1//11_JC_Cardenas_2015_001.jpg?width=214&height=250&scale=both&bgcolor=ac1a2f

 

JC AT A GLANCE: Switch-hitting hitter that is also the Bucs’ starting shortstop…Very talented player with exceptional speed, range and arm strength...Gets big hits in big situations...Good lead-off hitter but can hit at the 3-4-5 spots...Runs very well.

SOPHOMORE (2014): Played in 47 games, started in 46...Third on team in home runs with four...First on team in atbats with 174...led the team with 111 assists...Had 47 hits...Had 36 runs...Hit seven doubles...Had a .391 slugging percentage...Had a .374 on-base percentage...Stole 10 bases...Had a .916 fielding percentage.

FRESHMAN (2013): Started all 48 games in which he played for the Buccaneers at shortstop…Hit .316 with five doubles, one triple and drove in 18 runs…Hit his first career homer against on May 4^th against Palm Beach Atlantic University in a 14-11 Buccaneer loss…Swiped 12 bags in 14 attempts which was second most on the team…Showed phenomenal defensive skill, and led the team with 141 assists.

HIGH SCHOOL: Graduated from Westwood Christian in 2012 where he lettered under Luis Padron in baseball for three seasons…Hit .472 with three home runs, 13 doubles, 28 runs, 36 RBI and 18 stolen bases for the Warriors his senior year…Earned the team’s MVP and Gold Glove awards his senior year.

PERSONAL: Son of Carlos Cardenas and Dorys Abreu…Has two brothers, Bryan and Darnell…Has not declared a major.

[Orgfiller]

Miami and Spanish last name, potential Cuban?

[burlingtonbandit]

Doesn't sound too underslot since he's a SO elgible.

[metafour]

Cardenas is a draft eligible Sophomore. Hit .352 this year.

[King]

I am surprised the Jays haven't taken Pompey Jr.

 

I still think he'll go to either the Brewers or Jays. Could go any slot in the draft at this point.

[metafour]

I am surprised the Jays haven't taken Pompey Jr.

 

Tristan Pompey has a Kentucky commitment. He's not likely to sign for peanuts I'd assume.