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Statman FCL Blue Jays

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Did anyone look at Zauns suit and think that pocket square looked like he stuffed a dead Oriole in there? Goddammit I love it!
GNick49 Prep Ball

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Hendriks today:

81.00 ERA

-2.93 FIP

-2.93 xFIP

They need to get him out of there. He opened the door for the Orioles to get back in.

Statman FCL Blue Jays

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I really think evaluating a pitcher based on xFIP in 0.1 IP is completely pointless. Just my opinion.

 

Yes, in that context you are correct.

reedjohnsonfan Dunedin Blue Jays

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But still more useful than ERA in 0.1 IP!

 

Both are irrelevant. IMO the only way to evaluate a pitcher in a small sample, is by watching closely. I had someone claim that Eovaldi was pitching "ok" through 4 innings a couple of weeks back because of his xFIP when it was clear he was pitching well at the time.

Captain Adama FCL Blue Jays

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You guys are joking right? Week oppo grounder, another grounder, a soft line drive and a nice K.

 

This is coming from the same people who thought Sanchez's start was decent last night....

reedjohnsonfan Dunedin Blue Jays

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Watching tells you nothing as well.

I wasn't evaluating anything, was just showing how huge the gap in a small sample can be. Maybe I should have said that.

 

Ok, agree to disagree then. If some posters think xFIP is the only way to evaluate a pitcher's start then so be it, but I think that is wrong. Let's agree to disagree.

Captain Adama FCL Blue Jays

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Watching tells you nothing as well.

I wasn't evaluating anything, was just showing how huge the gap in a small sample can be. Maybe I should have said that.

 

Give reedjohnsonfan some credit, Hendriks looked pretty good to me, it's not like the balls that were hit off him were hard....

reedjohnsonfan Dunedin Blue Jays

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Well xFIP is actually vey flawed, but trying to make sense of things by watching is just back-pedalling.

 

I don't think so. It's important to use stats and watch IMO, but if you don't think so, that's fine.

reedjohnsonfan Dunedin Blue Jays

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Give reedjohnsonfan some credit, Hendriks looked pretty good to me, it's not like the balls that were hit off him were hard....

 

I'm not talking about Hendriks, he looked fine. I just thought it was weird when someone posted Eovaldi was looking just "ok" a couple weeks back because of his xFIP...

gruber92 Buffalo Bisons

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Well xFIP is actually vey flawed, but trying to make sense of things by watching is just back-pedalling. It just creates bias.

 

It all depends on who is doing the evaluating.

gruber92 Buffalo Bisons

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Professional scouts will never beat reliable metrics.

 

Meh.. Makes things robotic and boring. So basically the games don't even have to be watched to get a proper evaluation?

 

Call me old school, but i just think there is more to evaluating a player than plain simple metrics.

saskjayfan Dunedin Blue Jays

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Professional scouts will never beat reliable metrics.

 

reliable metrics will never beat the organization that uses both reliable metrics and above average scouting.

L54 Vancouver Canadians

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reliable metrics will never beat the organization that uses both reliable metrics and above average scouting.

 

No s***.

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