GDT(3/3): Atlanta Braves @ Your Toronto Blue Jays - Miller vs. Norris - 1:07 PM ET

[xposbrad]

The garbage start to this season is seriously making me feel like this is the year the Jays will finally make the playoffs. So stoked. http://i.imgur.com/GkHkVKq.gif?1

 

just don't hold your breath on that one

[Daniel Labude]

we just got beat by the offseason losers

 

Thought that was Tampa...wow that's a bad week

[GNick49]

Pompey should be sent down, he's not ready. A year in triple A best for him

[King]

Jeff Blair ‏@SNJeffBlair 20s20 seconds ago

So: Norris says he has a dead arm; Pompey admits he's been playing scared while apologizing to the world for the loss. Beauty day.

 

#thekids

[HERPDERP]

Jeff Blair ‏@SNJeffBlair 20s20 seconds ago

So: Norris says he has a dead arm; Pompey admits he's been playing scared while apologizing to the world for the loss. Beauty day.

 

#thekids

 

I thought you faked that tweet

 

Just who the f*** admits they are playing scared?! what the f***?!

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

The garbage start to this season is seriously making me feel like this is the year the Jays will finally make the playoffs. So stoked. http://i.imgur.com/GkHkVKq.gif?1

 

Silver lining: we might finally have a real GM next year after this year's trainwreck is complete.

[King]

I thought you faked that tweet

 

Just who the f*** admits they are playing scared?! what the f***?!

 

Scott MacArthur ‏@TSNScottyMac 1m1 minute ago

DP:"I've found ever since the season started I've been playing somewhat scared just because I don't want to make a mistake." #BlueJays #MLB

 

 

[TheHurl]

it's okay Jays have lots of CF depth behind him.

[spats]

I wasn't able to see the game down here in Dunedin. Did the Jays not retaliate for Travis getting plunked? Did not see it in the box score.

[Daniel Labude]

Jeff Blair ‏@SNJeffBlair 20s20 seconds ago

So: Norris says he has a dead arm; Pompey admits he's been playing scared while apologizing to the world for the loss. Beauty day.

 

#thekids

 

Explains a lot...Pompey will settle down

[Daniel Labude]

Pompey should be sent down, he's not ready. A year in triple A best for him

 

Pompey will pass Pillar in a week or so. Pillar's stats are plummeting

[Statman]

I wasn't able to see the game down here in Dunedin. Did the Jays not retaliate for Travis getting plunked? Did not see it in the box score.

 

 

There was no need for retaliation. Leadoff hitter, Miller was ahead. Ball just got away. There wasn't anything sinister about it. Unfortunate Travis got hurt.

[Errorcebia]

I didn't follow the team very closely at the end of last season so I didn't get a chance to see Pompey play. Based on the internet circle jerk I just assumed that he performed well and played his way onto the team. In spring training I took a look at his stats and got confused, wondering what he had done to deserve a place on the team and get handed a starting job with literally zero competition. The Jays are so bush league when it comes to this, they are always handing players starting jobs without proving anything. Now in the first couple weeks he has played as bad as I would have expected and he single handedly lost the game today. So again, why was this guy handed the starting job with no competition without showing any talent at the major league level? I seem to remember a lot of people here speaking very highly of him and saying he should be our center fielder. And for yet another year, the Jays are going to underperform all because management didn't take winning seriously. The pitching is terrible and there is no depth, it is seriously alarming that we have already juggled so many guys around in the bullpen, our young pitchers do not seem to be developing or getting better, there are big holes in the lineup and on defense, and Gibbons has proven that he can't construct a lineup properly. In regard to the pitching, I had many concerns about it, but I convinced myself into believing that other teams always seem to be calling up these no-name pitchers who play well, and the presence of Martin behind the plate that would be enough to make a difference and help these pitchers improve. I was wrong.

[HERPDERP]

I didn't follow the team very closely at the end of last season so I didn't get a chance to see Pompey play. Based on the internet circle jerk I just assumed that he performed well and played his way onto the team. In spring training I took a look at his stats and got confused, wondering what he had done to deserve a place on the team and get handed a starting job with literally zero competition. The Jays are so bush league when it comes to this, they are always handing players starting jobs without proving anything. Now in the first couple weeks he has played as bad as I would have expected and he single handedly lost the game today. So again, why was this guy handed the starting job with no competition without showing any talent at the major league level? I seem to remember a lot of people here speaking very highly of him and saying he should be our center fielder. And for yet another year, the Jays are going to underperform all because management didn't take winning seriously. The pitching is terrible and there is no depth, it is seriously alarming that we have already juggled so many guys around in the bullpen, our young pitchers do not seem to be developing or getting better, there are big holes in the lineup and on defense, and Gibbons has proven that he can't construct a lineup properly. In regard to the pitching, I had many concerns about it, but I convinced myself into believing that other teams always seem to be calling up these no-name pitchers who play well, and the presence of Martin behind the plate that would be enough to make a difference and help these pitchers improve. I was wrong.

 

are you going to use this same line on Travis/Castro/Osuna?

[jaysblue]

Fire AA before he makes another mistake.

 

Thing with AA he does this every offseason, even in the last 2 of 3 the Jays decided to go all in. He doesn't address one certain area on the team that needs improvement with pieces who wouldn't break the bank anyways. This year he did nothing to improve the bullpen, which was a glaring weakness we knew about. Also, he didn't go and acquire another vet starter to ease the transition of the young guys like Norris, Sanchez and Stroman into the rotation. The years before that, he never acquired any depth on the bench or 2B and when those holes became glaring, the Jays didn't have a solution. It seems like he constructs a team well by making big moves (signing Martin, trading for Donaldson etc) though when it comes to filling out the roster with the last 5 guys, he has failed miserably.

[JFD]

Thing with AA he does this every offseason, even in the last 2 of 3 the Jays decided to go all in. He doesn't address one certain area on the team that needs improvement with pieces who wouldn't break the bank anyways. This year he did nothing to improve the bullpen, which was a glaring weakness we knew about. Also, he didn't go and acquire another vet starter to ease the transition of the young guys like Norris, Sanchez and Stroman into the rotation. The years before that, he never acquired any depth on the bench or 2B and when those holes became glaring, the Jays didn't have a solution. It seems like he constructs a team well by making big moves (signing Martin, trading for Donaldson etc) though when it comes to filling out the roster with the last 5 guys, he has failed miserably.

 

yeah, he's completely clueless. no idea how to build a winning team. how much more proof is needed?

[Errorcebia]

are you going to use this same line on Travis/Castro/Osuna?

 

Maybe, the jury is still out on them. They will obviously go through struggles at points in the season, so by the end of it we will see how they performed. But if this team is really supposed to compete this season, and there's no reason why they shouldn't be with how good the core is, then it would probably make more sense to have veteran players filling these positions. But the situation for these players is different anyway. First of all, Travis is not playing a premium position so it is not as concerning to have a rookie like him in the everyday lineup unlike in center field. Also notice that he was developed in the Tigers organization, and I think his play reflects that so far, since just about every player the Jays develop turns out to be a flop because there is a lack of quality coaching and developmental staff from top to bottom. In regard to the young relievers, they have obviously shown they deserved to make the team, but do you not think it's scary that our best relief pitchers are 20 year old rookies? These aren't guys that we should be going to in high leverage situations. They should be coming in for middle relief to get some innings and get comfortable in the major leagues. They have started very hot, but hitters are going to figure them out soon enough, and then we will have to see if they can adjust and maintain their strong play.

[Errorcebia]

Thing with AA he does this every offseason, even in the last 2 of 3 the Jays decided to go all in. He doesn't address one certain area on the team that needs improvement with pieces who wouldn't break the bank anyways. This year he did nothing to improve the bullpen, which was a glaring weakness we knew about. Also, he didn't go and acquire another vet starter to ease the transition of the young guys like Norris, Sanchez and Stroman into the rotation. The years before that, he never acquired any depth on the bench or 2B and when those holes became glaring, the Jays didn't have a solution. It seems like he constructs a team well by making big moves (signing Martin, trading for Donaldson etc) though when it comes to filling out the roster with the last 5 guys, he has failed miserably.

 

Yeah, it's a total joke. I remember a few years ago Henderson Alvarez had a few good starts in September, and their reaction was "great! pencil him in as our #3 starter, he is a stud" and unsurprisingly Henderson really struggled the following season. Now if he had been a #5 that year, that would have been totally fine, because his play was at least good enough to justify being in that role and he obviously showed lots of promise. But then the rest of the rotation was extremely weak. They did the same thing with Cecil. He had got sent down for being terrible, and then he came back up late in the season and pitched well, so again they penciled him in as a top of the rotation starter with no competition and as expected he was terrible and got sent down again, and has only been good enough to be a reliever since then.

[King]

If anyone wants to buy a bobblehead I got 3.

 

How much

[jays4life19]

If anyone wants to buy a bobblehead I got 3.

 

I'll offer you 1 thanks for 1 bobblehead.

[HERPDERP]

I'll trade one of the 2013 Bautista/Edwin bobbleheads for this year's ;x

[xposbrad]

yeah, he's completely clueless. no idea how to build a winning team. how much more proof is needed?

 

You don't think if he could, he would have signed Shields + a BP arm? The only thing preventing him from doing that is the guy upstairs who set the budget. Granted other teams with smaller budgets look to have better all around teams, but that's what will happen when you don't trade off your stars to rebuild. So in that respect, we do need a GM who can manage quick rebuilds and trade older stars for high end prospects but I also blame Rogers for not putting in the extra $ this team needed to compete.

[ElNik2013]

Just saw Travis's HBP and it looks to me like Miller was trying to hit him?

[ElNik2013]

Explains a lot...Pompey will settle down

 

He will, gotta stick with them. He's been having trouble with liners right at him and has even been turned around some deeeeep flyouts.

[HERPDERP]

Both bobble heads still in the packaging

[ElNik2013]

You don't think if he could, he would have signed Shields + a BP arm? The only thing preventing him from doing that is the guy upstairs who set the budget. Granted other teams with smaller budgets look to have better all around teams, but that's what will happen when you don't trade off your stars to rebuild. So in that respect, we do need a GM who can manage quick rebuilds and trade older stars for high end prospects but I also blame Rogers for not putting in the extra $ this team needed to compete.

 

 

It would be great to have a GM that can manage quick rebuilds, but those don't grow on trees. Also, deciding to trade "older stars for high end prospects" is a decision that isn't made by the Blue Jays GM, ownership would have to sign off on it because of the pr hit the team would have to be willing to take. Now, when AA took over, there was 1 established "older star". That being Roy Halladay and the process of trading him had started before AA was hired.

 

Yes, AA is not a great GM, probably average, give or take.

Edited April 20, 2015 by ElNik2013

[ElNik2013]

Count was 1-2. No way intentional.

 

 

I get that, but that would be one way to disguise it. I also expect the O's to throw at Bautista in the upcoming series for his antics after the HR off O'day.

 

We'll see what happens.

[ElNik2013]

Did anyone post the update on Travis? Sorry in advance if already posted:

 

The Blue Jays announced that Devon Travis is day-to-day with a contusion, no fractures were observed by X-ray.

[Statman]

I get that, but that would be one way to disguise it. I also expect the O's to throw at Bautista in the upcoming series for his antics after the HR off O'day.

 

We'll see what happens.

 

You are comparing apples to oranges. There is no scenario where it makes sense that he would intentionally throw at Travis. No history, no rivalry, no anomisity, and it doesn't even make sense at that point in the game with the pitch count the way it was.

 

 

Now when you talk about the O's/Jays, the history of O'Day with Bautista that is the polar opposite.

[ElNik2013]

You are comparing apples to oranges. There is no scenario where it makes sense that he would intentionally throw at Travis. No history, no rivalry, no anomisity, and it doesn't even make sense at that point in the game with the pitch count the way it was.

 

 

Now when you talk about the O's/Jays, the history of O'Day with Bautista that is the polar opposite.

 

Probably, but Bautista hotdogged it against Johnson Saturday and Miller's a true Card, don't forget that!