Rotation and Bullpen Post Stroman Injury

[Angrioter]

Any chance Arizona trades Chase Anderson for Navarro? Morosi lists him as a holdover who the new regime in Arizona may move. Him and Estrada as the 4/5 starters while Norris gets some development time in AAA would be solid.

 

 

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[glory]

Well, damn.

[Spanky99]

Jesus, Ang?!

[Angrioter]

Jesus, Ang?!

 

Politically correct

[Spanky99]

Politically correct

 

lol

[GD]

Leake pls

[jays76]

Leake's sneaky good, Cahil's pretty bad and I couldnt stand the thought of replacing Stroman with Colon who's a likely candidate to have a heart attack this year

 

Yowza.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Okay, back to the original thread topic...

 

I say f*** it, go youth. What do we have to lose? We're a fringe contender at best. let's have fun watching the young bucks.

 

SP

---

The old men

Hutchinson

Sanchez

Norris

 

Bullpen

--------

Delabar

Redmond

Estrada

Jenkins

(set up man 1) Loup

(Set up man 2) Cecil

(Closer) Castro

 

Of, if you have the lead and a whack of righties, maybe Delabar is your 8th inning guy...but only if he looks solid this spring.

[burlingtonbandit]

Okay, back to the original thread topic...

 

I say f*** it, go youth. What do we have to lose? We're a fringe contender at best. let's have fun watching the young bucks.

 

SP

---

The old men

Hutchinson

Sanchez

Norris

 

Bullpen

--------

Delabar

Redmond

Estrada

Jenkins

(set up man 1) Loup

(Set up man 2) Cecil

(Closer) Castro

 

Of, if you have the lead and a whack of righties, maybe Delabar is your 8th inning guy...but only if he looks solid this spring.

 

I would keep the same rotation as you but really hate your pen. Cecil should be closer. Jenkins should not be on the team.

[z3r0s]

I would keep the same rotation as you but really hate your pen. Cecil should be closer. Jenkins should not be on the team.

 

those were my thoughts exactly.

[BTS]

lol at Castro for closer

[glory]

It's going to be Sanchez and Norris in the rotation, unless AA actually goes out and acquires someone (looking unlikely) or Johan discovers the fountain of youth and makes an improbable comeback.

 

They'd have to use off days to give more starts to Dickey, Buehrle, and Hutchison throughout the course of the season, but they might be able to use Sanchez and Norris as full-time starters while keeping them at a 170 IP limit without going too far over. Assuming they actually stay healthy, and since there is 3 weeks left in Spring Training, there is more than enough time for one or both of them to fall in a ditch and injure something before the start of the season.

[BTS]

Sanchez in the roation won't likely end well at all. I think they should go with Estrada and let Sanchez try to figure things out in the AAA rotation.

[glory]

Sanchez in the roation won't likely end well at all. I think they should go with Estrada and let Sanchez try to figure things out in the AAA rotation.

 

I tend to agree, but he's either going to be in the big league rotation or bullpen, as AA isn't going to send him down (for some reason). Looked like the plan was going to be Sanchez in the pen, Estrada in the rotation, and Norris in AAA, but Stroman ruined that.

 

If it were up to me, both Sanchez and Norris would be in AAA, and I'd roll with Estrada and someone else (whoever the DBacks are willing to move for Navarro) until May or June. That's not going to happen, though.

[Angrioter]

Sanchez in the roation won't likely end well at all. I think they should go with Estrada and let Sanchez try to figure things out in the AAA rotation.

 

Winter Tour = Sanchez all year at MLB level.

[Frank Menechino]

I tend to agree, but he's either going to be in the big league rotation or bullpen, as AA isn't going to send him down (for some reason). Looked like the plan was going to be Sanchez in the pen, Estrada in the rotation, and Norris in AAA, but Stroman ruined that.

 

If it were up to me, both Sanchez and Norris would be in AAA, and I'd roll with Estrada and someone else (whoever the DBacks are willing to move for Navarro) until May or June. That's not going to happen, though.

 

Sanchez seems like a guy that would be mentally crushed by being sent back to the minors at this point, which could hinder him long term.

[Sparky12]

This rotation could be surprisingly good or more likely an absolute disaster. We really need hutch to be unreal and one of Norris/Sanchez to be solid to have a chance

[Sammy225]

Sanchez seems like a guy that would be mentally crushed by being sent back to the minors at this point, which could hinder him long term.

 

You have met the guy i am assuming so you are likely tight with him.... Or just an assumption based on what you see on T.V

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm not nearly as low on Sanchez as some of the guys on the board. I think Martin will really help him and even if he doesn't get that many swings and misses he can be an effective starter because of the groundballs. If he starts off the season with 3-4 bad starts in a row I think you then move him to the bullpen but I think they should at least give him a chance.

[Sammy225]

I'm not nearly as low on Sanchez as some of the guys on the board. I think Martin will really help him and even if he doesn't get that many swings and misses he can be an effective starter because of the groundballs. If he starts off the season with 3-4 bad starts in a row I think you then move him to the bullpen but I think they should at least give him a chance.

 

I am not really low on him but the case with him last year is he was a 2 pitch pitcher out of the pen.... If you go in the rotation with only 2 pitches your naturally not going to last long. Is big thing is he needs to be able to throw the curve more consistently which is why he needs to go back to AAA and get that s*** figured out.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

lol at Castro for closer

 

Why do you laugh out loud thinking of a guy that can throw a lively 100 mph fastball, has a great changeup with fantastic location and doesn't seem to get rattled on the hump?

[BTS]

Because Cecil is one of the top 15 RP in the game and you are going to bump him for a 19 year old with limited experience and good, but not out of this world, results in the low minors?

 

Yup.

[burlingtonbandit]

I am not really low on him but the case with him last year is he was a 2 pitch pitcher out of the pen.... If you go in the rotation with only 2 pitches your naturally not going to last long. Is big thing is he needs to be able to throw the curve more consistently which is why he needs to go back to AAA and get that s*** figured out.

 

Well he does have a changeup and I think they have been telling him to use it more this spring. I think people are forgetting there is still almost a month until real games start. ST is the perfect time to work on things. I think we both know Sanchez will be on the MLB team come spring.

[StroShow]

Because Cecil is one of the top 15 RP in the game and you are going to bump him for a 19 year old with limited experience and good, but not out of this world, results in the low minors?

 

But do the Jays want to limit Cecil to a closer's role? They'll need his arm for the higher leverage situations.

[BTS]

But do the Jays want to limit Cecil to a closer's role? They'll need his arm for the higher leverage situations.

 

Closers see higher leverage situations than anyone else.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Because Cecil is one of the top 15 RP in the game and you are going to bump him for a 19 year old with limited experience and good, but not out of this world, results in the low minors?

 

Cecil is hurt. You can't count on him right now. Plus, isn't he a FA after this year? Why set someone up as the team closer when we'll more than likely lose him after this season. CJ part 2.

[BTS]

Cecil is hurt. You can't count on him right now. Plus, isn't he a FA after this year? Why set someone up as the team closer when we'll more than likely lose him after this season. CJ part 2.

 

He's arb-eligible in 2016 too. But that's exactly why you would have someone close. Have your best reliever pitch in high leverage situations, and let some other team pay for the saves after the season.

[KingKat]

Closers see higher leverage situations than anyone else.

 

Yeah there's the odd situation that might justify bringing him in earlier as Gibbons alluded to this spring but for the most part you don't need to stray too much from the traditional role to give your closer the most leverage.

[BTS]

Yeah there's the odd situation that might justify bringing him in earlier as Gibbons alluded to this spring but for the most part you don't need to stray too much from the traditional role to give your closer the most leverage.

 

A lot of people seem to think that setup men see the higher leverage situations, but most of the time that's not true. The two most discussed setup men were Davis and Betances last year, but Holland and Robertson saw the higher leverage situations as closers.

[StroShow]

Closers see higher leverage situations than anyone else.

 

Yeah in terms of starting an inning I see that, but at the same time there are guys that are relied upon to get your team out of jams. He may not always be in that high leverage situation, but like I find him to be the most reliable candidate for entering the game with runners on you know? I just find closing to be quite overrated (why bother going to him when you're up 3 runs) and would rather use our best reliever when the situation merits it.