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[BigCecil]

And it's hilarious that this guy is getting crucified for caring more about money and personal success than team success. Of course he does. How many people would put their earning potential at risk because they care more about their company's success than their own? Nobody.

 

Its true and if I was a Mets fan Id probably be pissed off emotionally as a reaction, but its a business for the owners and the players and we would likely all put our family's security over the teams/business.

[admin]

Bartolo lol

 

http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/2015/09/06/14-415674-2015-09-05/web_cut/mlbtv_454032083_1200K.mp4

 

Holy s***, that's hilarious. MLB in your 40s you do what you want.

[Masterbather]

Its true and if I was a Mets fan Id probably be pissed off emotionally as a reaction, but its a business for the owners and the players and we would likely all put our family's security over the teams/business.

 

While I do understand that, from an ownership standpoint, I wouldn't feel comfortable signing a guy like this long term to big money. Those contracts for pitchers are risky as they are, but guys like this, I'd stay away from. There's just something missing with him, despite the obvious talent.

[BigCecil]

While I do understand that, from an ownership standpoint, I wouldn't feel comfortable signing a guy like this long term to big money. Those contracts for pitchers are risky as they are, but guys like this, I'd stay away from. There's just something missing with him, despite the obvious talent.

 

I get that..there is a part of me that loves players that just seem to lay it out there all the time, and they let $ and contracts take care of themselves.

 

Little tougher in this case with a big game pitcher coming off major injury with medical advice.

[labadee]

Bartolo lol

 

http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/2015/09/06/14-415674-2015-09-05/web_cut/mlbtv_454032083_1200K.mp4

 

 

for the lazy

[Followthelight]

Bartolo lol

 

http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/2015/09/06/14-415674-2015-09-05/web_cut/mlbtv_454032083_1200K.mp4

 

That's awesome lol. Colon is hilarious.

[Masterbather]

I get that..there is a part of me that loves players that just seem to lay it out there all in all the time, and they let $ and contracts take care of themselves.

 

Little tougher in this case with a big game pitcher coming off major injury with medical advice.

 

In general, he seems like a bit of a diva though. I wonder what happens when this guy gets his big money contract. Will he stay motivated enough to honour that contract to the best of his ability? If it's my money, I wouldn't take that risk with him.

[Trekkie]

Anyone else notice how Sandoval is just a worthless fat f*** now? LOL!

[Stangstag]

Anyone else notice how Sandoval is just a worthless fat f*** now? LOL!

 

Sandoval and HanRam signings backfired big-time. Wonder If those guys will turn it around next year.

[HERPDERP]

Man have you guys ever see a 180 opinion on a player like Mets fans feel for Harvey?

[Trekkie]

Sandoval and HanRam signings backfired big-time. Wonder If those guys will turn it around next year.

 

HanRam is declining and Sandoval is too fat! LOL! If they can't convince Sandoval to go on another diet they're f***ed! LOL... love it, good times!

[HERPDERP]

Guys the problem isn't that he wants to be healthy. It's his right.

 

The problem is he's a hypocrite and he's been so late about it.

 

He bitches and whines about 6-man rotations and being taken out early. And if this was such an issue for Harvey, he should have told them earlier in the season so that they could have done a better job of managing his innings.

 

Imagine if we had the same deal with Stroman.

[Stangstag]

Guys the problem isn't that he wants to be healthy. It's his right.

 

The problem is he's a hypocrite and he's been so late about it.

 

He bitches and whines about 6-man rotations and being taken out early. And if this was such an issue for Harvey, he should have told them earlier in the season so that they could have done a better job of managing his innings.

 

Imagine if we had the same deal with Stroman.

 

Exactly. He also comes off as a guy who doesn't give a s*** about winning. Do you actually want someone like that on your team anyways?

[Trekkie]

For a guy that doesn't give a s*** about winning he's doing an awfully good job of it. LOL!

[Masterbather]

Guys the problem isn't that he wants to be healthy. It's his right.

 

The problem is he's a hypocrite and he's been so late about it.

 

He bitches and whines about 6-man rotations and being taken out early. And if this was such an issue for Harvey, he should have told them earlier in the season so that they could have done a better job of managing his innings.

 

Imagine if we had the same deal with Stroman.

 

Bingo!

 

This guy is a douche. It was always kind of obvious that he was, but he's sealed it now.

[Swervin81]

I wonder if the Rockies would entertain an Arenado for Harvey+ deal. It makes sense for both sides (especially if Harvey puts on the brakes, his last outing of the season will be his last outing as a Met), but the Mets would have to add since Arenado is an everyday player and is probably the 2nd best 3B in the game. Not to mention Arenado has an extra 4th year of control compared to Harvey's 3 (albeit a Super 2, so both arb eligible from here on out).

[baubau]

I wonder if the Rockies would entertain an Arenado for Harvey+ deal. It makes sense for both sides (especially if Harvey puts on the brakes, his last outing of the season will be his last outing as a Met), but the Mets would have to add since Arenado is an everyday player and is probably the 2nd best 3B in the game. Not to mention Arenado has an extra 4th year of control compared to Harvey's 3 (albeit a Super 2, so both arb eligible from here on out).

 

Woah now. JD is the best 3B right now in the game, not much of a debate on that. However 2nd best is probably, *sigh*, Machado followed very closely by Bryant. Arenado is a very good player and is arguably a franchise cornerstone, but 2nd best 3B right now is stretching it. Maybe 2nd best in the NL, sure there is debate for that. Despite his down year I'd probably still gamble with Anthony Rendon over him but that is just me.

[Spanky99]

Crown cereal in this 15 open commercial

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[Spanky99]

Cereal lived up.

[Swervin81]

Woah now. JD is the best 3B right now in the game, not much of a debate on that. However 2nd best is probably, *sigh*, Machado followed very closely by Bryant. Arenado is a very good player and is arguably a franchise cornerstone, but 2nd best 3B right now is stretching it. Maybe 2nd best in the NL, sure there is debate for that. Despite his down year I'd probably still gamble with Anthony Rendon over him but that is just me.

 

Machado and Bryant are definitely better hitters. I'll give you Machado since he's also very good defensively. But Arenado's a far better defender than Bryant. To the point of where it might close the gap Bryant has over Arenado offensively. Plus, I think people do sleep on Arenado's offense because Coors. That said, I totally understand putting Machado and/or Bryant being ahead of Arenado as far as 3B goes. You could really make a case of either one. Bryant is an elite bat with okay defense, Machado is a very good bat with very good defense, and Arenado is a good bat with elite defense. You couldn't go wrong putting either one as 2nd best in the majors. It's so close. 2nd best defensively, though... definitely Arenado. Maybe I'm just overrating the impact Arenado's D has in a park like Coors where the pitcher needs all the help he can get from his D.

 

As far as Rendon goes... ummm, I don't even know what to consider him anymore. He's far better at 3B than he is at 2B, but he's played both positions with regularity so I have a hard time classifying him as a 3B, especially since he's played far more 2B this year. Not to mention Rendon racks up DL time like crazy and is pretty much a walking bandaid. I definitely have Arenado over Rendon, though, even if Rendon is a 3B. It's a big gamble to rely on Rendon being healthy. If he is healthy like last year, he's definitely right up there, if not ahead.

[baubau]

Machado and Bryant are definitely better hitters. I'll give you Machado since he's also very good defensively. But Arenado's a far better defender than Bryant. To the point of where it might close the gap Bryant has over Arenado offensively. Plus, I think people do sleep on Arenado's offense because Coors. That said, I totally understand putting Machado and/or Bryant being ahead of Arenado as far as 3B goes. You could really make a case of either one. Bryant is an elite bat with okay defense, Machado is a very good bat with very good defense, and Arenado is a good bat with elite defense. You couldn't go wrong putting either one as 2nd best in the majors. It's so close. 2nd best defensively, though... definitely Arenado. Maybe I'm just overrating the impact Arenado's D has in a park like Coors where the pitcher needs all the help he can get from his D.

 

As far as Rendon goes... ummm, I don't even know what to consider him anymore. He's far better at 3B than he is at 2B, but he's played both positions with regularity so I have a hard time classifying him as a 3B, especially since he's played far more 2B this year. Not to mention Rendon racks up DL time like crazy and is pretty much a walking bandaid. I definitely have Arenado over Rendon, though, even if Rendon is a 3B. It's a big gamble to rely on Rendon being healthy. If he is healthy like last year, he's definitely right up there, if not ahead.

 

Can't disagree with any of this really. Rendon is absolutely a gamble but I am a big risk big reward type of investor.

[Spanky99]

Meh, I'll say it's Donaldson AL and Arenado in the NL.

[RealAccountant]

While I do understand that, from an ownership standpoint, I wouldn't feel comfortable signing a guy like this long term to big money. Those contracts for pitchers are risky as they are, but guys like this, I'd stay away from. There's just something missing with him, despite the obvious talent.

 

Yep. He is the kind of guy who would go on the 15 day if he broke a nail.

[Atothe]

Why would the Rockies entertain that deal swerv? Arenado is more valuable

[RealAccountant]

Nationals aren't done yet. They have six vs the mets

 

Dream scenario. Mets rest Harvey and miss the playoffs

[HERPDERP]

I honestly think Harvey has to come out and say he'll do whatever it takes to pitch into the playoffs.

 

Otherwise there is no chance his goodwill will be restored and there will be calls to trade him away. Imagine how his teammates feel as well.

 

I mean, just take a look at the comments:

 

[Boxcar]

Machado and Bryant are definitely better hitters. I'll give you Machado since he's also very good defensively. But Arenado's a far better defender than Bryant. To the point of where it might close the gap Bryant has over Arenado offensively. Plus, I think people do sleep on Arenado's offense because Coors. That said, I totally understand putting Machado and/or Bryant being ahead of Arenado as far as 3B goes. You could really make a case of either one. Bryant is an elite bat with okay defense, Machado is a very good bat with very good defense, and Arenado is a good bat with elite defense. You couldn't go wrong putting either one as 2nd best in the majors. It's so close. 2nd best defensively, though... definitely Arenado. Maybe I'm just overrating the impact Arenado's D has in a park like Coors where the pitcher needs all the help he can get from his D.

 

As far as Rendon goes... ummm, I don't even know what to consider him anymore. He's far better at 3B than he is at 2B, but he's played both positions with regularity so I have a hard time classifying him as a 3B, especially since he's played far more 2B this year. Not to mention Rendon racks up DL time like crazy and is pretty much a walking bandaid. I definitely have Arenado over Rendon, though, even if Rendon is a 3B. It's a big gamble to rely on Rendon being healthy. If he is healthy like last year, he's definitely right up there, if not ahead.

 

Machado is probably a better defender.

[Deadpool]

Sandoval and HanRam signings backfired big-time. Wonder If those guys will turn it around next year.

 

http://turbobocce.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Fringe-S3x12-Outlook-not-so-good.jpg

 

Don't worry though, they've got 5 aces.

[BigCecil]

Sandoval and HanRam signings backfired big-time. Wonder If those guys will turn it around next year.

 

It has with Arod and Tex for the NYY this season. It happens.

 

In the case of Sandoval, he has had a couple of 5 WAR seasons but I don't think he was ever really a player worth that $.

[Swervin81]

Why would the Rockies entertain that deal swerv? Arenado is more valuable

 

That's why I said Harvey+. Harvey alone definitely wouldn't get it done.