Blue Jays renewing interest in James Shields as his price drops

[TheHurl]

Winning the AL east and playoffs have to be worth at least 20-30 mill at the gate alone to the Jays!

 

So if the difference between being competitive and being a legit playoff team is less then that you have to spend it and really move all in and go for it! Not sit and wait and hope it all just happens by leaving it to fate or chance!

 

There's a difference between holding a gun and actually pulling the trigger! Bang! Jack you're dead!

 

Remember if you buy out Dickey and with Buehrle most likey gone 29 mill fall off the books next year and James Shields is the veteran to lead a young bluejays staff, not bad!

 

Playoff gates are split between the commissioners office (so all teams), the players and the team. Here’s how postseason ticket revenue is divided:

 

15 percent of the paid attendance receipts of every postseason game is contributed to the Commissioner’s Office.

50 percent of the paid attendance receipts from the Wild Card games is contributed to the Players Pool.

60 percent of the paid attendance receipts from the first three games of each Division Series is contributed to the Players Pool.

60 percent of the paid attendance receipts from the first four games of each Championship Series and the World Series is contributed to the Players Pool.

All paid attendance receipts not paid to the Commissioner’s Office or contributed to the Players Pool is shared equally between the two teams in each Series or Wild Card game.

 

Wendy Thurm did some interesting calculations after the 2012 playoffs and estimated the following numbers as take.

 

Wildcard losers - $500K

First round losers (depending on the number of games): between 2.6M - 5.5M

Pennent losers $10M

WS Loser $17M

WS Winner $20M

Players pool $81M

 

That's based on ticket sales alone. Concession sales are not going to be any different than a sold out weekend game but still a bonus I'm sure. The economic impact on the city is pretty huge, but that isn't helping the team.

[saskjayfan]

Playoff gates are split between the commissioners office (so all teams), the players and the team. Here’s how postseason ticket revenue is divided:

 

15 percent of the paid attendance receipts of every postseason game is contributed to the Commissioner’s Office.

50 percent of the paid attendance receipts from the Wild Card games is contributed to the Players Pool.

60 percent of the paid attendance receipts from the first three games of each Division Series is contributed to the Players Pool.

60 percent of the paid attendance receipts from the first four games of each Championship Series and the World Series is contributed to the Players Pool.

All paid attendance receipts not paid to the Commissioner’s Office or contributed to the Players Pool is shared equally between the two teams in each Series or Wild Card game.

 

Wendy Thurm did some interesting calculations after the 2012 playoffs and estimated the following numbers as take.

 

Wildcard losers - $500K

First round losers (depending on the number of games): between 2.6M - 5.5M

Pennent losers $10M

WS Loser $17M

WS Winner $20M

Players pool $81M

 

That's based on ticket sales alone. Concession sales are not going to be any different than a sold out weekend game but still a bonus I'm sure. The economic impact on the city is pretty huge, but that isn't helping the team.

 

Yeah the playoff gate has a split, but a playoff bound Jays team would have 40k fans per game the last few weeks in September, not 15K and the TV where the real money is made would have much higher viewership.

[Abomination]

Playoff gates are split between the commissioners office (so all teams), the players and the team. Here’s how postseason ticket revenue is divided:

 

15 percent of the paid attendance receipts of every postseason game is contributed to the Commissioner’s Office.

50 percent of the paid attendance receipts from the Wild Card games is contributed to the Players Pool.

60 percent of the paid attendance receipts from the first three games of each Division Series is contributed to the Players Pool.

60 percent of the paid attendance receipts from the first four games of each Championship Series and the World Series is contributed to the Players Pool.

All paid attendance receipts not paid to the Commissioner’s Office or contributed to the Players Pool is shared equally between the two teams in each Series or Wild Card game.

 

Wendy Thurm did some interesting calculations after the 2012 playoffs and estimated the following numbers as take.

 

Wildcard losers - $500K

First round losers (depending on the number of games): between 2.6M - 5.5M

Pennent losers $10M

WS Loser $17M

WS Winner $20M

Players pool $81M

 

That's based on ticket sales alone. Concession sales are not going to be any different than a sold out weekend game but still a bonus I'm sure. The economic impact on the city is pretty huge, but that isn't helping the team.

 

I'd imagine the tv viewership would be through the roof for Sportsnet. That would have to add a ton.

[SumoNinja]

I'd imagine the tv viewership would be through the roof for Sportsnet. That would have to add a ton.

 

I wonder in real world dollars what it would actually be? Conceivably, average ratings for stretch run games could get close to 1.5+ million viewers(based on 2013 opening day ratings). Last year, games in September were drawing in the 800k range at the highest. What would an extra 700k viewers for 30-40 games mean for sportsnet?

[BallsDeep]

Pretty sure most ppl would be ecstatic if we landed Shields.

[burlingtonbandit]

I wonder in real world dollars what it would actually be? Conceivably, average ratings for stretch run games could get close to 1.5+ million viewers(based on 2013 opening day ratings). Last year, games in September were drawing in the 800k range at the highest. What would an extra 700k viewers for 30-40 games mean for sportsnet?

 

Well when you consider the TV deal is worth (estimated 80 million per season?) that is roughly $500k per game. I want to ssay the Jays averaged about close to 600k viewers last year but just to make it easy say it was 500k.

 

You are then looking at a dollar revenue per viewer. So if you go by that rough math an extra 700k viewers for 30 games would be 21 million in revenue. Obviously this is just a rough estimate but since the Jays are owned by Rogers which also owns Sportsnet you would think they would be getting the boost in revenue in season.

 

And if they were to make a postseason run you would probably be getting 1.5-2 million extra in revenue per Blue Jays postseason game.

[jays76]

Yeah the playoff gate has a split, but a playoff bound Jays team would have 40k fans per game the last few weeks in September, not 15K and the TV where the real money is made would have much higher viewership.

 

Actually probably for the last month which also includes the concession stands in conjunction with merchandising plus the TV as you mentioned, the profit could be very substantial. I think we caught a glimpse of that last season when the ratings spiked through the roof against the Red Sox towards the latter part of the season when the Jays were still in the mix. I've mentioned this a few times in previous threads but the Jays really dropped the ball last trade deadline and that penny pinching lack of imagination & balls is what has most fans skeptical about Jays ownership this year. Kudos to AA though this off season for being creative with his limitations.

[jays76]

I just think in the end...the lack of bats on the farm makes the Shields move an overkill move. Trading assets for a Zobrist type would make so much more sense as far as upgrades go. I highly doubt the Jays FO is as high on Devout Dan as most here...but if a Shields signing means he barely contributes, it might not do that much to improve this team. I still think one utility guy that can start the season at 2B is the ultimate move for the Jays and deal with a short term rotation upgrade during the season when you know where the kids are.

 

 

This^^.. I mean 20+ yrs and now the longest tenured team without a playoff appearance. Would I love for them to go out and get Shields, no doubt! Do I think it's going to happen? Definitely not. Shields will be overpriced and a burden to us going into the 2017 season but let's be honest about the real reasons it won't happen, ownership looks like they're interested in spending just enough money to turn a profit and not much more than that. They want to put a competitive team on the field to entice the fans into the seats and that's pretty much where it ends.

 

AA has to be uber creative to construct a playoff team and then will probably have to go upstairs and beg like a dog again come the trade deadline. However I do think there are potential deals within his grasp that could pay massive dividends, getting Ben Zobrist is one of them! He slots in salary wise and fills so many needs (Plugs 2B, Lefty Bat, potential OF Depth if it all goes wrong with Pompey and/or Saunders). Cough up Navarro and the prospect or two AA, let's do this. Missing the playoffs again this year is not an option..

[RealAccountant]

This is all a pipe dream

[baubau]

There is nothing wrong with the mindset of the Jays targeting another starting pitcher, its just who they targeting that is the issue. They Jays should have really gone after a pitcher like Francisco Liriano. Adds that depth without hurting the team on a long term contract. Going after a James Shields at his age and salary demands respective to where the Jays are currently at and where they will be in the future, is a bad idea.

 

Either case, this is just like the Ichiro news. Just throwing the Jays name for the sake of having a name.

[saskjayfan]

This is all a pipe dream

 

you're probably right..but most thought martin was a pipe dream....1% chance is better than no chance.

[TheHurl]

I still call ******** on this 40K through September. The Jays were 3.5 games back of a playoff on September 10th...and drew an average of 26K for a weekend series. They are not drawing 40K for weekdays...there just isn't walk up traffic for games. I can see the weekend Red Sox series on September 18th, 19th and 20th doing well regardless of the standings. Having a weekday series against the Yankees helps as far as weekdays go but still not going to sell out. That Rays series on a weekend...normally I'd say that would be a 27K series again...but it's the last home games so it should do okay. Turns out though the Jays have 17 of their last 26 on the road so this perceived meaningful games in September will shoot attendance through the closed roof isn't really a factor.

 

As for ratings...it's not like revenue is paid by viewers per game. A good run will up the overall numbers for Sportsnet...but that revenue won't be seen until the next year or so.

[jays76]

There is nothing wrong with the mindset of the Jays targeting another starting pitcher, its just who they targeting that is the issue. They Jays should have really gone after a pitcher like Francisco Liriano. Adds that depth without hurting the team on a long term contract. Going after a James Shields at his age and salary demands respective to where the Jays are currently at and where they will be in the future, is a bad idea.

 

Either case, this is just like the Ichiro news. Just throwing the Jays name for the sake of having a name.

 

I agree. Liriano or McCarthy as groundball pitchers coming to the RC would've been great targets this off season which would've paid big dividends. Affordable and would've provided us the options and depth we need in case of injury. Now with Sanchez or Norris slotted in as the 5th starter there is no margin for error or injury to our rotation, if that happens we're probably turning to flyball specialists Estrada & Hendriks who will get shellacked in the Rogers Center.

[burlingtonbandit]

I still call ******** on this 40K through September. The Jays were 3.5 games back of a playoff on September 10th...and drew an average of 26K for a weekend series. They are not drawing 40K for weekdays...there just isn't walk up traffic for games. I can see the weekend Red Sox series on September 18th, 19th and 20th doing well regardless of the standings. Having a weekday series against the Yankees helps as far as weekdays go but still not going to sell out. That Rays series on a weekend...normally I'd say that would be a 27K series again...but it's the last home games so it should do okay. Turns out though the Jays have 17 of their last 26 on the road so this perceived meaningful games in September will shoot attendance through the closed roof isn't really a factor.

 

As for ratings...it's not like revenue is paid by viewers per game. A good run will up the overall numbers for Sportsnet...but that revenue won't be seen until the next year or so.

 

Well by September the team was pretty much out of it and they were awful the month leading up to it. The series August 5-7 vs Baltimore drew an average of 35k on a Tues, Wed, Thurs and that was the beginning of August. I don't think its a stretch to think they could draw 40k in September.

 

About the ratings, does SN not get revenue by selling ad slots for commercials of the games? So the more viewership goes up the more money they will get for those ad slots. I'm pretty sure SN doesn't sell the Ad slots far in advance either so depending on how the team does the more money they will get. The revenue would come into effect for the season after like you said though.

[saskjayfan]

I still call ******** on this 40K through September. The Jays were 3.5 games back of a playoff on September 10th...and drew an average of 26K for a weekend series. They are not drawing 40K for weekdays...there just isn't walk up traffic for games. I can see the weekend Red Sox series on September 18th, 19th and 20th doing well regardless of the standings. Having a weekday series against the Yankees helps as far as weekdays go but still not going to sell out. That Rays series on a weekend...normally I'd say that would be a 27K series again...but it's the last home games so it should do okay. Turns out though the Jays have 17 of their last 26 on the road so this perceived meaningful games in September will shoot attendance through the closed roof isn't really a factor.

 

As for ratings...it's not like revenue is paid by viewers per game. A good run will up the overall numbers for Sportsnet...but that revenue won't be seen until the next year or so.

 

of course revenue is based off viewers per game. The price charged for a spot in the playoffs would be way higher than the regular season. You have contracts in place, but when they expire you renew at much higher rates when viewership goes up. Why do you think the CFL TV contract was 4 times higher when it expired. Viewership went up. 3.5 games back is a lot different than 3.5 games up. The games against seattle at the end of the season were drawing 15K. There's zero doubt attendance numbers would be up in September if the Jays made the playoffs. The playoffs would mean 20 million at the bare minimum in additional revenues when you factor in gate, tv revenues and merchandise. That's just a fact. If they won the world series it would it would be even higher.

[L54]

Isn't merchandise split throughout the league, making that part of all this irrelevant?

[L54]

There's no doubt Shields makes this club better. But if his price drops to 4/80 there is going to be a whole bunch of teams in on him.

 

Teams like Miami, San Fran, St. Louis, Red Sox and the Yankees all probably become suitors in this situation.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

I would love to add Shields and have been hoping for this. I would be okay with 4/90, 5/110.

 

Shields makes this team better, this city will be all over the Jays if they start to win and make the playoffs.

[TheHurl]

of course revenue is based off viewers per game. The price charged for a spot in the playoffs would be way higher than the regular season. You have contracts in place, but when they expire you renew at much higher rates when viewership goes up. Why do you think the CFL TV contract was 4 times higher when it expired. Viewership went up. 3.5 games back is a lot different than 3.5 games up. The games against seattle at the end of the season were drawing 15K. There's zero doubt attendance numbers would be up in September if the Jays made the playoffs. The playoffs would mean 20 million at the bare minimum in additional revenues when you factor in gate, tv revenues and merchandise. That's just a fact. If they won the world series it would it would be even higher.

 

Not factoring in what winning will do for the next year (cause that is huge I've never ever denied that). The counter argument is that setting up expectations and not meeting them, hurts sales the next year in ways that are equal to the positives of winning, 2013 proved this.

 

1. Merchandise is not team owned...it increases exposure and further's the value of the franchise but it's not a revenue factor as it's shared by the entire league.

2. I can't say for certain how Sportsnet sells it's playoff ad time...but I don't think they could wait to see if the Jays were there to set their rates (thoughts of the Jays being there might increase sales though). I could be wrong and I'd love to hear from someone who has more knowledge of this.

3. People have always said that contending in September will sell tickets. The truth is that tickets are mostly sold in the off season. Toronto has an okay weekend walk up and pre-sales traffic and a very small weekday walk up traffic. If future single game tickets were huge, the Jays would have sold their August and September games out when they were in first place by 6.5 games in June this year...but that doesn't happen (It's a fact, it's not just Toronto, in general locals don't make plans months in advance). Scalpers are the only people who might forecast September standings. As it turns out the Jays have 3 series in September...and regardless of standings they will be three well attended series. Boston on a weekend...last place Jays draws probably 28K for that series, first place Jays 45K is my guess. NYY on a weekday. Draws over 20K at any time. First place Jays probably draws 33ish. and the final home games of the year (averaged 35 and 37K the last two years). So were talking about probably 75 to 100K in increased attendance for a first place Jays team drawing huge buzz. I'm not saying that's not insignificant numbers...but it's not like the 10K in season tickets that the Marlins and Mets trades sold in 3 days. You don't increase your payroll based on "projected increased revenue if the team is in the hunt"...it's just really bad business.

 

The model I always use for winning alone not selling tickets is the Yankees. In the 90's they were 7th in attendance when they first made the playoffs in 2005. The next year they were 7th in attendance but had a solid increase...they won the world series in 2006...the next year they increased ticket sales again...but were 6th in the AL still. They went on to win 4 world series in 5 years...and finally jumped up to #2 in AL attendance. That's 6 years in a row in the playoffs...4 World Series won in the biggest city and one of the biggest stadiums in the MLB...and they aren't outdrawing Seattle (or Cleveland in 2000). What finally pushed the NYY to number 1 and that increase from 42K to 46K (and eventually 50K)...outspending every team. So yes marketing a James Shields signing might do well for revenue as it will hype there off-season and season ticket sales (although he's James Shields he's not a name that casuals are going to jump out of their seats for), but saying "winning sells tickets" is a terrible and proven wrong marketing plan. Tampa made the playoffs for 2nd time in 3 years and the next year their attendance decreased by 5K and dropped to it's levels when they were among the worst teams in baseball. Baltimore will likely see a decrease this year. Cleveland made the playoffs in 2013, for the first time in 6 years, and attendance went down by 2K and they dropped for 2nd worst to worst (and actually went down in attendance for their 2013 playoff year).

 

Toronto loves hype (see Raptors and it being the place to be during the playoffs last year). So you can do things to market a winning Jays team even in September when the kids are back in school but it's more in the hands of PR...rather than a marketing dept.

[TheHurl]

Why do you think the CFL TV contract was 4 times higher when it expired. Viewership went up.

 

Because the CFL signed a stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid (I don't think I can stress this enough) contract in 2008. They were averaging 370K in viewership in 2007 (compared to almost double that now) but TSN was also in 1/2 of the households in comparison to now. TSN knew they would be part of every single basic cable package by 2008 and increases were virtually automatic. It was considered a sweetheart deal. Which brings us to today...Sports advertising revenue is at an all time high just based on one fact...it's live. Most people watch sports live (thus seeing the ads) in comparison to binge watching on Netflix and PVR'ing and skipping commercials of so many other shows. So CFL is more valuable right now because sports in general is more valuable advertising wise now.

 

My point about the Jays is that TV contracts for the next season will likely be based on the average viewership over the year, which increased viewers at the end of the year will absolutely help. But the Jays averaging 1.5M in September won't bring increased revenues in September 2015. It's just not how it works.

[Abomination]

My point about the Jays is that TV contracts for the next season will likely be based on the average viewership over the year, which increased viewers at the end of the year will absolutely help. But the Jays averaging 1.5M in September won't bring increased revenues in September 2015. It's just not how it works.

 

I wish we could get someone in advertising to give us some answers about exactly how it works. It's an important distinction for sure.

[TheHurl]

I wish we could get someone in advertising to give us some answers about exactly how it works. It's an important distinction for sure.

 

I know for independent stations rates stay the same and are updated quarterly (so advertising on a Saturday at 2:00 am would cost the same in October, as it would in November or December, I remember this from my days at Rogers...but that's also 30 years ago, as far as I can tell from Google searches it's sill the same though). I don't know about sports though. Do they sell ad time by the season (for some sponsors I would guess that's true as we see the same companies advertising for the whole season...these are usually the Jays chief sponsors though), monthly, weekly, or game by game. So much of business models and costs is easy to find online. This is something I've never been able to find. There was one poster who was good at explaining how things worked for ratings to cost. I know he still posts here, I just can't remember the name.

[TheHurl]

Here is an interesting look. Total ad revenue for 2012 Sportsnet is $82M. In 2012 I would guess that the BlueJays were a significant chunk of that....but it's not like Sportsnet is making $100's of Millions off the Jays. The total revenue for the entire station in 2012 wasn't even that.

 

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-02-19-rogers1.png

 

edit...actually this shows that NHL in 2012 provided Sportsnet with almost 30% of their total advertising revenue.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-02-19-rogers2.png

 

Here is the full article it's about the Rogers NHL deal and how can it possibly make money

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/barry-kiefl/rogers-nhl_b_4815741.html

[saskjayfan]

I know for independent stations rates stay the same and are updated quarterly (so advertising on a Saturday at 2:00 am would cost the same in October, as it would in November or December, I remember this from my days at Rogers...but that's also 30 years ago, as far as I can tell from Google searches it's sill the same though). I don't know about sports though. Do they sell ad time by the season (for some sponsors I would guess that's true as we see the same companies advertising for the whole season...these are usually the Jays chief sponsors though), monthly, weekly, or game by game. So much of business models and costs is easy to find online. This is something I've never been able to find. There was one poster who was good at explaining how things worked for ratings to cost. I know he still posts here, I just can't remember the name.

 

Why are you continually looking for reasons for failure. If we win, revenues won't go up enough and player commitments will get the best of us....but we won't win, because our prospects won't turn out, our veterans are over valued and every team is better than us. I get it....there hasn't been a playoff team since 1993, but one day the Jays will again grace the post season. Enough of the Debbie downer routine. Oh wait...you're a realist. The season is almost upon us...this is the time for optimism.

[TheHurl]

Why are you continually looking for reasons for failure. If we win, revenues won't go up enough and player commitments will get the best of us....but we won't win, because our prospects won't turn out, our veterans are over valued and every team is better than us. I get it....there hasn't been a playoff team since 1993, but one day the Jays will again grace the post season. Enough of the Debbie downer routine. Oh wait...you're a realist. The season is almost upon us...this is the time for optimism.

 

You do realize I'm not a fan of this front office right? I think they made excellent moves so far this year, they helped themselves this season and didn't do it at the cost of the future. How is that not optimistic from a guy that isn't a fan of the team? I have my views (the correct views of course cause I'm never wrong...well 50% of the time I'm never wrong) and I think offensive depth is their biggest weakness...improving the pitching at the cost of future years payroll, doesn't help with what I think is the biggest weakness and failure or success on the season would still likely rest on the health of several 30 somethings hitters.

 

Again I'll re-iterate my view on what's best for the Jays in 2015 (and it's just my opinion, it will likely never be proven correct as I don't think the front office thinks the same). Sign a guy that can play 2B and multiple other positions. The two guys that best fit this mold, and were or are available, are Zobrist and Zobrist lite (Luis Valbuena). Having a 2B starter that can play multiple positions allows a guy I really like (Travis) to be your injury depth. The step down from Reyes to Travis is big (should Reyes get hurt) but it's not going to kill you. Currently if Reyes gets hurt...Ryan Goins is playing SS and Travis is playing 2B. If that injury is 10 weeks...that's a bigger drop than I think a whole season of Shields vs. a whole season of Norris (who I am also quite high on). Build the offensive depth...see what you have in the young pitchers and use trades during the season, with your minor league pitching depth, to fill the holes you might have.

 

If the Jays sign Shields it improves the team, I don't deny that. But I think the Jays are depending on the health of too many offensive guys.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

You do realize I'm not a fan of this front office right? I think they made excellent moves so far this year, they helped themselves this season and didn't do it at the cost of the future. How is that not optimistic from a guy that isn't a fan of the team? I have my views (the correct views of course cause I'm never wrong...well 50% of the time I'm never wrong) and I think offensive depth is their biggest weakness...improving the pitching at the cost of future years payroll, doesn't help with what I think is the biggest weakness and failure or success on the season would still likely rest on the health of several 30 somethings hitters.

 

Again I'll re-iterate my view on what's best for the Jays in 2015 (and it's just my opinion, it will likely never be proven correct as I don't think the front office thinks the same). Sign a guy that can play 2B and multiple other positions. The two guys that best fit this mold, and were or are available, are Zobrist and Zobrist lite (Luis Valbuena). Having a 2B starter that can play multiple positions allows a guy I really like (Travis) to be your injury depth. The step down from Reyes to Travis is big (should Reyes get hurt) but it's not going to kill you. Currently if Reyes gets hurt...Ryan Goins is playing SS and Travis is playing 2B. If that injury is 10 weeks...that's a bigger drop than I think a whole season of Shields vs. a whole season of Norris (who I am also quite high on). Build the offensive depth...see what you have in the young pitchers and use trades during the season, with your minor league pitching depth, to fill the holes you might have.

 

If the Jays sign Shields it improves the team, I don't deny that. But I think the Jays are depending on the health of too many offensive guys.

 

Most teams are depending on the health of their top batters...I would like to sign Shields and not worry too much about the ifs/buts of the salary in 2016/2017.

 

Rogers has money we have to get him to spend it, they win ball games and the fans will show up.

[Angrioter]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

#Nats prepared to trade starter if they sign Scherzer. Zimmermann most likely candidate but one source says Nats would listen on Strasburg.

 

 

Sanchez, Norris, Hoffman, Pentecost for Stras

[baubau]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

#Nats prepared to trade starter if they sign Scherzer. Zimmermann most likely candidate but one source says Nats would listen on Strasburg.

 

 

Sanchez, Norris, Hoffman, Pentecost for Stras

 

Where is the obligatory DJ Davis throw-in to seal the deal?

[saskjayfan]

Because the CFL signed a stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid (I don't think I can stress this enough) contract in 2008. They were averaging 370K in viewership in 2007 (compared to almost double that now) but TSN was also in 1/2 of the households in comparison to now. TSN knew they would be part of every single basic cable package by 2008 and increases were virtually automatic. It was considered a sweetheart deal. Which brings us to today...Sports advertising revenue is at an all time high just based on one fact...it's live. Most people watch sports live (thus seeing the ads) in comparison to binge watching on Netflix and PVR'ing and skipping commercials of so many other shows. So CFL is more valuable right now because sports in general is more valuable advertising wise now.

 

My point about the Jays is that TV contracts for the next season will likely be based on the average viewership over the year, which increased viewers at the end of the year will absolutely help. But the Jays averaging 1.5M in September won't bring increased revenues in September 2015. It's just not how it works.

 

I never said the increased viewership in September would equate to increased dollars. In fact I acknowledged this. I said increased viewership over the season peaking in the playoffs would have an effect on future revenues where the team could charge more and you could discount those future revenues to come up with a present value of the financial effect of making the playoffs. A playoff team would also have higher attendance. I'm not going to belabour this point as you clearly disagree and that's fine. What I do find funny is that you're not a fan of the blue jays and yet you have 5,217 posts on a blue jays message board.

[TheHurl]

Rogers has money we have to get him to spend it, they win ball games and the fans will show up.

 

Continuing to say it doesn't make it true. The Jays were in first place by 6.5 games and attendance levels were below their 4th place teams. Then reference all the other examples I gave that debunks that myth that winning automatically means increase in attendance.

 

Rogers isn't a he to spend that money. It's a they...and "they" owners will always have to answer to shareholders first. At what point are Jays fans going to get used to the fact that this team is going to have a budget to work around?

 

This board must love it that I have been sick for two weeks now and have time to wet blanket everything. I mean who doesn't love a wet blanket?