Would you rather employ Stroman, Tanaka, Porcello, Archer or Cobb?

[Spanky99]

Let's hope. I'd also hope CC pitches 200 ip because his era will be close to 5 if he does.

 

Wishing/hoping for players to get hurt? Stay classy brah!!

[Governator]

I voted Tanaka as I figured this was meant for only 2015. If you include contracts and disregard the fantasy, than Stroshow all the way. Not to mention, I want him in blue for years to come.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Who's better than Porcello on the Bosox, Miley?

 

lol @ even at the cost/injury concerns, I understand all pitchers are a risk, but Tanaka "DOES" have a tear in his UCL, it's only going to get worse. Tanaka's the better pitcher right now, but that's a huge red flag, meat.

 

Porcello is the best on the Sox, but Tillman should be on the list if Porcello is.

 

I have no idea how bad Tanaka's tear is. It sounded like TJS is inevitable but he did come back and felt fine. I would like to know what other people think, since I don't know if he should be a keeper for my fantasy team.

 

It's been said a thousand times but with Stroman's size you have to wonder when a serious injury will occur for himself. I am a Stroman fan, but when I read this board the posters here are WAY too high on him IMO. I get that his projections, makeup are good, but some people are making him out to be a top of the rotation pitcher next season... I think it's more likely he struggles through inconsistencies like Hutchison. Putting that together it would be tough to choose Stro over Tanaka, but there's different ways to look at it.

[Spanky99]

Porcello is the best on the Sox, but Tillman should be on the list if Porcello is.

 

I have no idea how bad Tanaka's tear is. It sounded like TJS is inevitable but he did come back and felt fine. I would like to know what other people think, since I don't know if he should be a keeper for my fantasy team.

 

It's been said a thousand times but with Stroman's size you have to wonder when a serious injury will occur for himself. I am a Stroman fan, but when I read this board the posters here are WAY too high on him IMO. I get that his projections, makeup are good, but some people are making him out to be a top of the rotation pitcher next season... I think it's more likely he struggles through inconsistencies like Hutchison. Putting that together it would be tough to choose Stro over Tanaka, but there's different ways to look at it.

 

Tillman doesn't project anywhere near Porcello, he doesn't project to be any better than our Top 4 in the Jays rotation, he stinks, the Orioles rotation stinks, they have an awesome pen though.

 

As for the latter part I agree it's tough to say what we'll see out of Stroman as a sophomore in his first full season, same could be said for Tanaka and his wonky elbow. He does have a mild tear, and it's only going to get worst, if you're in a keeper, he's definitely worth holding onto, he's young and will return more than likely better than what we saw.(After the inevitable surgery)

[LongTimeReader]

The Stroman hype needs to simmer down

[LongTimeReader]

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=steamer&team=0&players=0&sort=18,d

 

Projections for a player that has barely any playing time in the majors are almost useless..

[jays4life19]

Projections for a player that has barely any playing time in the majors are almost useless..

 

What's not to like about Stroman though? Even his minor numbers are nice. I don't see anything that would show any red flags.

[LongTimeReader]

What's not to like about Stroman though? Even his minor numbers are nice. I don't see anything that would show any red flags.

 

I don't know why people always take things so negatively... I love Stroman, I think he will do well... I just think the board is hyping him too much.

[jays4life19]

I don't know why people always take things so negatively... I love Stroman, I think he will do well... I just think the board is hyping him too much.

 

Fair.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Projections for a player that has barely any playing time in the majors are almost useless..

 

I think especially for younger players it's important to look at some other aspects.

 

Mental makeup: Stro seems to have a good intensity and focus on the mound. He comes across as intelligent for a baseball player.

 

Physical makeup: He's in good shape and everything, but not a big guy. This points to some red flags which probably lowered his prospect ranking last year.

 

If you take WAR literally, Tanaka=Stroman given the same # of innings next year. IMO that's a terrible projection to take literally.

[LongTimeReader]

I expect a little regression from his performance last season. Mainly due to hitters adjusting. Though with Martin behind the plate he may actually get better.

[Gorlak]

I expect a little regression from his performance last season. Mainly due to hitters adjusting. Though with Martin behind the plate he may actually get better.

 

He my not pitch as well, but will get more innings. The only peripheral that's likely to regress is HR/9, wouldn't be crazy to expect an increase in K/9.

[Spanky99]

I expect a little regression from his performance last season. Mainly due to hitters adjusting. Though with Martin behind the plate he may actually get better.

 

Same could be said for Tanaka?

[RealAccountant]

Dickey

[JuniorFelix]

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=steamer&team=0&players=0&sort=18,d

 

Good god. That is some projection. I obv. like it, but wow.

 

Ahead of some pretty amazing arms that have proven track records. Steamer has him almost a full win better than our most common rub-up Hamels.

 

I love all this, but myself, I am going to temper my expectations a tad.

[LongTimeReader]

Same could be said for Tanaka?

 

Sure

[TheHurl]

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=steamer&team=0&players=0&sort=18,d

 

Quick question and I probably already answered it myself but just checking

 

Stroman's projections are: 192 IP, 185H, 18HR, 168K, 53BB for a 3.54 FIP

Cobb Projections are: 192 IP, 175H, 13HR, 168K, 58BB for a 3.33 FIP

 

Is that almost half win difference all in the park adjustments?

[LongTimeReader]

The thing I love about Stroman is he really attacks hitters, at a minimum I think he'll continue to have major league success if he keeps that up.

[TwistedLogic]

Projections for a player that has barely any playing time in the majors are almost useless..

 

Except that you voted for Tanaka, who has a grant total of 5.9 more major league innings pitched over Marcus Stroman, is dealing with a fairly serious injury, and is among the highest paid pitchers in the game.

 

If projections for Stroman are almost useless (I should note that I'm not actually agreeing or disagreeing with that point), what exactly makes you prefer Tanaka to him?

[BTS]

This feels like the time we were all against trading Lawrie for Mike Trout.

[jaysblue]

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=steamer&team=0&players=0&sort=18,d

 

Steamer knows everything!

[jaysblue]

I love Stroman and I think he'll be a great pitcher - though at the same time I wouldn't be shocked to see him struggle in his sophomore year. I can't believe he is ahead of Wainwright, Hamels, Greinke, Cueto, & Zimmermann in those projections. I love it, though I'm tempering my expectations.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

It's between Tanaka and Stroman with Tanaka's elbow it's an easy pick for me Stroman. Tanaka might play well without surgery and also might have surgery recover then play well but to many IF's in the whole process.

[BTS]

People are underrating Alex Cobb.

[LongTimeReader]

Except that you voted for Tanaka, who has a grant total of 5.9 more major league innings pitched over Marcus Stroman, is dealing with a fairly serious injury, and is among the highest paid pitchers in the game.

 

If projections for Stroman are almost useless (I should note that I'm not actually agreeing or disagreeing with that point), what exactly makes you prefer Tanaka to him?

 

Tanaka is older and has established himself as a consistent great pitcher at the highest level (in the Japanese leagues). You don't need projections to quality him.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Tanaka is older and has established himself as a consistent great pitcher at the highest level (in the Japanese leagues). You don't need projections to quality him.

 

Older is a strength now? How many Japanese stars become stars in the MLB? He was/is a great pitcher but this type of injury is not just a set back

[LongTimeReader]

Older is a strength now? How many Japanese stars become stars in the MLB? He was/is a great pitcher but this type of injury is not just a set back

 

Everyone knows prime baseball years are 26-28. So yes, when you're approaching those years it's definitely a strength. In particular when you're trying to project a players performance.

 

How many Japanese stars are in the MLB has little to do with their talent pool.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Everyone knows prime baseball years are 26-28. So yes, when you're approaching those years it's definitely a strength. In particular when you're trying to project a players performance.

 

How many Japanese stars are in the MLB has little to do with their talent pool.

 

Prime age 26-28 sure. However he's hurt or trying to fight off TJ surgery.

 

You can't translate stats from Japanese players to MLB. Come on now!

[Gen.Disarray]

I think peak years for position players is 26-28, but I believe pitchers actually peak earlier. Can't remember where I read it though, so I could be wrong. Regardless, I can't see how being older is ever a benefit when projecting future performance.

[LongTimeReader]

Prime age 26-28 sure. However he's hurt or trying to fight off TJ surgery.

 

You can't translate stats from Japanese players to MLB. Come on now!

 

Were talking about projections. Including one stint in the majors.