Diamondbacks get Hellickson

[kgm1]

Still surprised that Kevin Towers still has a job, the last decent move I can remember is when he traded for Aaron Hill.

 

Dave Stewart is the new GM in AZ. With LaRussa pulling his strings

[BTS]

Fanboy.

 

I don't even care.

[Boxcar]

Yep. All the love they get on this board yet they haven't drafted well and their system is pretty bare

 

I know, right? People should totally ignore that they have been the best team in the East for 7 years while having the lowest budget in the division because they don't have a great farm and that's all that matters.

[kgm1]

I really don't think the Rays will miss a beat. Friedman is a smart guy, but he was hired by smart guys, and then hired a bunch of other smart guys who are still there.

 

If they can buy their way out of that lease and Montreal builds a stadium I really think they would move . that city just doesn't deserve a team

[BTS]

If they can buy their way out of that lease and Montreal builds a stadium I really think they would move . that city just doesn't deserve a team

 

No it doesn't. I hope they move. I've always wanted to see that group operate with more flexibility. I guess I'll see it in LA, but I've developed a soft spot for the Rays so it won't be the same.

[Chappy]

lol...Spiced Rum's kicking in, soon you'll be talking to the Captain, lol.

 

Lol.

[kgm1]

I know, right? People should totally ignore that they have been the best team in the East for 7 years while having the lowest budget in the division because they don't have a great farm and that's all that matters.

 

Not saying they don't do some things right. This is exactly the type of moves they make that are usually right. Just saying their farm is s***

[Chappy]

I don't even care.

 

Nor should you.

[kgm1]

Still the same staff, regardless.

 

That i would enjoy watching build a team with some money

[ElNik2013]

Rays will be fine as they're still owned/managed by Sternberg. Just like the D-Backs continue to make moves like this one, even if they've fired Towers.

 

Maybe Happ can fetch a similar package for the Jays plus free up $$$. On the other hand, AA doesn't operate as the Rays do.

[Angrioter]

Hellickson for two decent prospects?

 

The rays are being managed by aliens. Great trade.

 

Hellickson = Nolin

Edited November 15, 2014 by Angrioter

[Jimcanuck]

Friedman may be overrated..... he had plenty of good help it appears

[jaysblue]

Rotation:

 

Cobb

Moore

Archer

Odorizzi

Smyly

 

Depth: Karns, Colome, Romero, Montgomery

 

Who really needed Hellickson? Rays have plenty of good young arms already.

[jaysfan2014]

Rotation:

 

Cobb

Moore

Archer

Odorizzi

Smyly

 

Depth: Karns, Colome, Romero, Montgomery

 

Who really needed Hellickson? Rays have plenty of good young arms already.

 

Nice depth.. but they need offense in the worst way (worst in the AL. Astros and Yankees were 2nd and 3rd worst.) So more trades are likely.

[RealAccountant]

Too bad jays had pounded him last couple of years.

[jaysblue]

Nice depth.. but they need offense in the worst way (worst in the AL. Astros and Yankees were 2nd and 3rd worst.) So more trades are likely.

 

Their lineup was awful last season - Longoria didn't produce as he should, Zobrist was injured for parts of the season, Jennings and Myers were huge disappointments offensively. They have a lot of holes in that lineup.

[shortstop]

Their lineup was awful last season - Longoria didn't produce as he should, Zobrist was injured for parts of the season, Jennings and Myers were huge disappointments offensively. They have a lot of holes in that lineup.

 

 

they would've been fine but for their starting staff being depleted early on in the season which set them back the entire year

[RealAccountant]

Zobrist is an amazing asset, Put him anywhere and get that production.

[Boxcar]

That organization was a pile of poo before 2 of the rats left the sinking ship.

 

Yaaay Moogy is back

[jaysblue]

I would love it if two of our injured and disappointing players combined for 9 WAR. The Rays have a good core of talent and will be fine.

 

Longoria and Zobrist are a great core of talent - not sold on Jennings (looks like he will never live up to the hype he was given a couple of years ago) and Myers looks like he can be a disappointment as well.

 

As for the rest of their squad - they have no catcher, no shortstop, a slap hitting first baseman, Franklin at 2B possibly, weak corner OF's - they are not in that great shape as many think they are. The pitching is fantastic yes, though for them to sniff the postseason next year, they'll need Myers and Jennings to really step it up.

[jaysblue]

they would've been fine but for their starting staff being depleted early on in the season which set them back the entire year

 

I don't think starting pitching was an issue with them last season - they had Price for the entire first half and more, Cobb made 27 starts, Archer 32 starts, Odorizzi 31 starts. Sure they didn't have Matt Moore for the entire season, though their pitching was solid enough without him still and its not like Moore would have been one of their top starters anyways.

[kgm1]

Dave Stewart disagrees with our assessment of Helickson.

 

Dave Stewart of the Diamondbacks sees Jeremy Hellickson as “a number two or number three starter,” Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic writes. The prospects the Diamondbacks sent to the Rays, Justin Williams and Andrew Velazquez, both have potential. (Williams hit .351/.403/.437 in 320 plate appearances in rookie ball and at Class A South Bend this season, impressive numbers for an 18-year-old at any level.) But for Stewart, Hellickson’s talent was more important, and he can help the Diamondbacks now. “They could both be All-Stars, but from our standpoint they’re three or four years away from being major league players,” says Stewart. “We have an opportunity to get a good starter to put in our rotation now and go along with our plans for our team with the 2015 season.”

[Boxcar]

Dave Stewart disagrees with our assessment of Helickson.

 

Dave Stewart of the Diamondbacks sees Jeremy Hellickson as “a number two or number three starter,” Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic writes. The prospects the Diamondbacks sent to the Rays, Justin Williams and Andrew Velazquez, both have potential. (Williams hit .351/.403/.437 in 320 plate appearances in rookie ball and at Class A South Bend this season, impressive numbers for an 18-year-old at any level.) But for Stewart, Hellickson’s talent was more important, and he can help the Diamondbacks now. “They could both be All-Stars, but from our standpoint they’re three or four years away from being major league players,” says Stewart. “We have an opportunity to get a good starter to put in our rotation now and go along with our plans for our team with the 2015 season.”

 

Dave Stewart doesn't really sound like he knows what he's doing. Lol @ the Diamondbacks.

[ElNik2013]

Just another example that it all starts at the very top. When a franchise fails with multiple GM's running the team, you've gotta look at ownership.

[BTS]

lmao @ the Diamondbacks

[kgm1]

Dave Stewart doesn't really sound like he knows what he's doing. Lol @ the Diamondbacks.

 

He is going to teach him the Stare.

[jays_fever]

A flyball pitcher who doesn't miss bats will be a number 2 in Chase field. Okay

[TheHurl]

A flyball pitcher who doesn't miss bats will be a number 2 in Chase field. Okay

 

isn't that exactly what Josh Collmenter is? He put up a 2.63 ERA (3.82 FIP, 3.95 xFIP) at home last year. Guaranteed the D-Backs will slowly get Hellickson away from throwing his 2 seam fastball at all and he'll be throwing a cutter.

 

Sadly he probably is a number 2 for that team.

[CHRIS]

Hellickson must remind Dave Stewart of a young Joey Hamilton.

[LongTimeReader]

Hellickson had one fluke year where he totally out-performed his peripherals...