Offseason roster thread 2014

[burlingtonbandit]

Dammit I'd love to trade Reyes to the Yankees

 

They have a gaping iconic hole at short stop next year, they dont seem to care that much about infield defense, and they have essentially limitless money.

 

But then we need even more infielders and we seem have trouble finding even one.

 

Can't really say they don't care about infield D when they traded for Headley and Drew, two very good defensive players. They only have Jeter at SS because they pretty much have to for his legacy in NY. Cashman is a pretty smart GM even though the team throws a ton of money around.

[Atothe]

No one is saying continue to play him, just that he was good while they needed it. Now that Eddy, lind and etc are here, he's rendered useless

[burlingtonbandit]

So Gibbons was quoted as saying "they could be your CF and LF nexxt year" in reference to Gose and Pillar.

 

That is the type of crap we can't have for the team next year. Im fine with them in a platoon but there hasn't been any evidence to have Pillar be a fulltime player.

[glory]

I was under the false impression that Jeter was still making 20M a season but he's not. His last contract was front loaded and they "only" paid him 12M this year. Even for the Yankees, tossing in an extra 10M for Reyes is likely not appealing, especially since they have to start paying ARod again next year.

 

They did that because Jeter was getting older and there was no way he would be worth that much in is final year. But you're right, with A-Rod coming back, they probably wouldn't take Reyes. Man. I'm not even a Yunel fan, but at least he wasn't untradeable. Can't believe the Jays willingly took the worst and most expensive years of Reyes' career.

 

I guess Reyes for Ethier is a good starting point for a trade as they'll need a SS to replace Hanley and they probably won't be able to find a taker for Ethier otherwise. Add some other pieces who the Dodgers may find expendable (Guerrero, Lee, etc) to make it worthwhile for the Jays. I wonder how highly the Dodgers value Lee now. They didn't call him up and he struggled in the PCL.

[kgm1]

So Gibbons was quoted as saying "they could be your CF and LF nexxt year" in reference to Gose and Pillar.

 

That is the type of crap we can't have for the team next year. Im fine with them in a platoon but there hasn't been any evidence to have Pillar be a fulltime player.[/quote

 

Softening us up for an off season when melky walks .

[burlingtonbandit]

So Gibbons was quoted as saying "they could be your CF and LF nexxt year" in reference to Gose and Pillar.

 

That is the type of crap we can't have for the team next year. Im fine with them in a platoon but there hasn't been any evidence to have Pillar be a fulltime player.[/quote

 

Softening us up for an off season when melky walks .

 

Melky walking isn't a bad thing because you still get a draft pick. Going into next season with Pillar as your everyday LF is..

[Jimcanuck]

Still, by end of 2015 it likely will be Gose CF, Pompey LF, and unfortunately Bautista RF

 

Pillar will either be in Buffalo or Lind's platoon partner/4th OF

[Atothe]

Lol at Pillar being an everyday player. Once dude hits arbitration adios

[prayforthejays]

I have yet to see Pillar actually look like a big league player, he makes great plays, but he's supposed to be an average hitter and he has no plate discipline...

 

But Gose has never hit worth s*** in the Bigs either. I think Pillar will turn out to be a better hitter than Gose

[Atothe]

But Gose has never hit worth s*** in the Bigs either. I think Pillar will turn out to be a better hitter than Gose

 

How? gose has an above average on base. Neither gose or pillar hit for power so Pillar has to babip his way to a better bat. I don't see that happening. Gose is a smarter faster baserunner and better outfielder.

[burlingtonbandit]

I have yet to see Pillar actually look like a big league player, he makes great plays, but he's supposed to be an average hitter and he has no plate discipline...

 

Yup. And his swing doesn't look like it will allow him to hit MLB pitching. The frusterating thing is when the Blue Jays use useful players but put them in the wrong situation/role to succeed.

 

When you have a team that is competing for a playoff spot whey do you give everyday Abs to part time players hoping they will majically become everyday players? Analytics and scouts know that these guys are part time players but because we caught majic in a a bottle with Bautista and EE we have this sudden belief it will happen often.

[BTS]

Yup. And his swing doesn't look like it will allow him to hit MLB pitching. The frusterating thing is when the Blue Jays use useful players but put them in the wrong situation/role to succeed.

 

When you have a team that is competing for a playoff spot whey do you give everyday Abs to part time players hoping they will majically become everyday players? Analytics and scouts know that these guys are part time players but because we caught majic in a a bottle with Bautista and EE we have this sudden belief it will happen often.

 

The sad thing is, you almost have to hope that Pillar doesn't have a good September, because this FO has shown that there's a very real chance he lands the full-time LF job next year if he BABIPs his way to a nice September slash line.

[G-Snarls]

If they plan on Pillar being anything more than a 4th OF and see Valencia as their every day 3B, we might as well just tear the whole thing down in December

[kgm1]

If they plan on Pillar being anything more than a 4th OF and see Valencia as their every day 3B, we might as well just tear the whole thing down in December

 

Don't worry Cito has told Beeston he'll come back and make Valencia and pillar allstars.

[kgm1]

The sad thing is, you almost have to hope that Pillar doesn't have a good September, because this FO has shown that there's a very real chance he lands the full-time LF job next year if he BABIPs his way to a nice September slash line.

 

Do you realy believe this FO will still be here. beeston is gone and with him AA and Gibbons and the budget

[G-Snarls]

Don't worry Cito has told Beeston he'll come back and make Valencia and pillar allstars.

 

Sweet. Get them swinging harder and pulling that goddamn ball RIGHT NOW.

[jaysblue]

MLSE fired a bunch of TFC coaching staff for their awful play in the summer and falling out of contention. I'm wondering if Rogers will do the same with the Blue Jays eventually?

[kgm1]

MLSE fired a bunch of TFC coaching staff for their awful play in the summer and falling out of contention. I'm wondering if Rogers will do the same with the Blue Jays eventually?

 

I think Beeston is gone and that starts the domino effect. I have been an AA guy for his rebuilding of the minor league talent and personally the devil I know is better than what I expect to get. I have never blamed AA for the gutting of the minors like others but the new guy in Rogers is all about hockey

[G-Snarls]

I think Beeston is gone and that starts the domino effect. I have been an AA guy for his rebuilding of the minor league talent and personally the devil I know is better than what I expect to get. I have never blamed AA for the gutting of the minors like others but the new guy in Rogers is all about hockey

 

Who knows. Give AA 2-3 more years with no Beeston vetoing him, and an actual set budget and I think he just might figure it out.

[BTS]

Who knows. Give AA 2-3 more years with no Beeston vetoing him, and an actual set budget and I think he just might figure it out.

 

Has AA's work really led you to believe that he's competent?

[G-Snarls]

Has AA's work really led you to believe that he's competent?

 

No. But part of the problem is I can't tell because Beeston is so distasteful to me and the extent of his influence is not entirely clear. I (perhaps foolishly) hold out a small bit of hope that he is still a competent GM at his core.

[G-Snarls]

Let me say this. I think AA is probably very smart man, who perhaps doesn't entirely understand enough about baseball to run a team well.

[BTS]

No. But part of the problem is I can't tell. I (perhaps foolishly) hold out a small bit of hope that he is still a competent GM at his core.

 

I don't see it. He just doesn't seem to grasp the things that a GM needs to understand to be successful. I don't think he really knows what a given player contributes to a team. Ask him to throw out ballpark projected win value for Russell Martin in 2015, or what Dioner Navarro actually contribues and he probably has no idea.

[G-Snarls]

I don't see it. He just doesn't seem to grasp the things that a GM needs to understand to be successful. I don't think he really knows what a given player contributes to a team. Ask him to throw out ballpark projected win value for Russell Martin in 2015, or what Dioner Navarro actually contribues and he probably has no idea.

 

Navarro has a higher batting average so I have no idea what your issue is.

 

[glory]

Alex should be in scouting or in an assistant role.

 

Look what Baltimore did. They were close to getting LaCava but then ended up getting someone with a history of building great teams, and look what happened.

 

The Jays keep scrapping at the bottom of the barrell (cheap and/or Canadian) and it never leads to anything positive. If they hired Duquette in 2009 instead of Alex, they'd probably be a playoff team right now.

[TheHurl]

Alex should be in scouting or in an assistant role.

 

In charge of contract negotiations.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think AA is perfect for the GM role in that he is great with the media. Now if they can have some of the people around him telling him to make smart decisions regarding roster moves this team would be better off. Its almost like its better to have a really smart AGM running the roster and just have a GM who is great with the media and so on...

[GD]

In charge of contract negotiations.

 

Wasn't that Satori? Could be totally wrong.

[G-Snarls]

For the benefit of those not participating in today's GDT

 

In 2010 for the Mets, in 61 PA , RA Dickey hit .255/.296/.294

 

Thole is marginally better than that this year, but Dickey 2010 batting is better than 2 of Thole's 6 batting seasons

Edited September 7, 2014 by G-Snarls

[burlingtonbandit]

Alex should be in scouting or in an assistant role.

 

Look what Baltimore did. They were close to getting LaCava but then ended up getting someone with a history of building great teams, and look what happened.

 

The Jays keep scrapping at the bottom of the barrell (cheap and/or Canadian) and it never leads to anything positive. If they hired Duquette in 2009 instead of Alex, they'd probably be a playoff team right now.

 

IIRC Lacava was offered the job but turned it down to stay with the Blue Jays..