Offseason roster thread 2014

[burlingtonbandit]

It is that crazy to think they just might? That's a hell of an expense that they took on out of the blue.

 

The Blue Jays are a big enough brand that you won't take money from them so they lose more money. Rogers won't sacrifice a $700 million property because of money they spent elsewhere.

[Brenner]

I really don't see McGowan returning anything on a 4 million investment. I think it's pretty obvious at this point that McGowan will not come back and haunt this team the way Chris Carpenter did. It's quite safe to pull the plug.

 

meh like I said I think its borderline. Certainly not alot of value at $4 mil but on the other hand are the Jays going to be able to sign a better FA reliever for under $4 mil? Possibly but no guarantee. We have the rest of the year to evaluate.

[BTS]

meh like I said I think its borderline. Certainly not alot of value at $4 mil but on the other hand are the Jays going to be able to sign a better FA reliever for under $4 mil? Possibly but no guarantee. We have the rest of the year to evaluate.

 

McGowan isn't even good though. $4 million for a 4+ ERA reliever is a complete waste of money.

[BTS]

Not as a reliever?

 

4.09 xFIP as a reliever this year. McGowan sucks.

[Chappy]

Meh, I think it'll be a mistake to let him walk, if Wagner and Stilson were healthy, I'd have no problem with it.

 

P.S. I knew you were going to post his xFIP...

 

AA can't afford to waste payroll on McGowan. He can find better bargains.

[Angrioter]

Not as a reliever?

 

4.09 xFIP as a reliever this year. McGowan sucks.

 

AA can't afford to waste payroll on McGowan. He can find better bargains.

 

RP value$$ according to Fangraphs:

Adam Ottavino - $5.30

Joe Smith - $5.30

Zach Duke - $5.20

Kelvin Herrera - $5.10

Trevor Rosenthal - $5.10

Casey Fien - $5.10

David Carpenter - $5.10

Luke Gregerson - $5.00

Shawn Kelley - $4.90

Zach Britton - $4.80

Adam Warren - $4.80

Kevin Jepsen - $4.50

Rafael Soriano - $4.50

Ryan Webb - $4.40

Joba Chamberlain - $4.40

Oliver Perez - $4.20

Jake Petricka - $4.20

Burke Badenhop - $4.10

Jordan Walden - $4.10

Tony Sipp- $4.00

Todd Redmond - $3.90

Aaron Loup - $3.90

 

 

McGowan doesn't fit in that list

[Frenchsoup]

RP value$$ according to Fangraphs:

Adam Ottavino - $5.30

Joe Smith - $5.30

Zach Duke - $5.20

Kelvin Herrera - $5.10

Trevor Rosenthal - $5.10

Casey Fien - $5.10

David Carpenter - $5.10

Luke Gregerson - $5.00

Shawn Kelley - $4.90

Zach Britton - $4.80

Adam Warren - $4.80

Kevin Jepsen - $4.50

Rafael Soriano - $4.50

Ryan Webb - $4.40

Joba Chamberlain - $4.40

Oliver Perez - $4.20

Jake Petricka - $4.20

Burke Badenhop - $4.10

Jordan Walden - $4.10

Tony Sipp- $4.00

Todd Redmond - $3.90

Aaron Loup - $3.90

 

 

McGowan doesn't fit in that list

 

We could have claimed Ryan Webb, AA is a f***tard.

[KingKat]

After years of waiting, we finally go to see what McGowan can produce when healthy and it turns out it isn't much. He doesn't have the length to be a starter but he's not dominant enough for short relief either. Back end relievers with no options aren't really assetts. He still has good speed on the fastball so maybe you bring him back and focus exclusively on trying to turn him into a max effort one inning guy but you don't want to burn much more than a roster spot on him if that.

[CJ-Freeway]

What decent starting pitchers will be free agents at the end of the season?

[G-Snarls]

What decent starting pitchers will be free agents at the end of the season?

 

 

Cot's contracts

 

Starting Pitchers

 

* = team has option for 2015

 

 

Josh Beckett

Chris Capuano

Kevin Correia

Jorge De La Rosa

Ryan Dempster

Scott Feldman

Gavin Floyd

Jason Hammel

Aaron Harang

Roberto Hernandez

Josh Johnson

Kyle Kendrick

Hiroki Kuroda

John Lannan

Colby Lewis

Jon Lester

Paul Maholm

Justin Masterson

Brandon McCarthy

Jeff Niemann

Ross Ohlendorf

Jake Peavy

Wandy Rodriguez

Max Scherzer

James Shields

Carlos Villanueva

Ryan Vogelsong

Edinson Volquez

Jerome Williams

 

Hisashi Iwakuma *

Brett Anderson *

Dan Haren *

Johnny Cueto *

Yovani Gallardo *

Bruce Chen *

Wei-Yin Chen *

Chad Billingsley *

Joe Blanton *

A.J. Burnett *

Edited August 22, 2014 by G-Snarls

[jays4life19]

Brandon MaCarthy and Justin Masterson might be reasonable targets.

 

I wonder if the Padres will pick up John Johnson's 4 million contract.

[G-Snarls]

That's a pretty nice list of starters

 

In addition, several of them were traded mid-season too, meaning that there's zero chance they end up with draft pick compensation

[G-Snarls]

Can Seattle afford to keep Iwakuma?? He's gonna get PAID.

[Orgfiller]

Iwakuma is a FA too, sheeeit.

[G-Snarls]

Iwakuma is a FA too, sheeeit.

 

Obvious Yankees target

[BTS]

Seattle has a $7 million option on Kuma.

[Orgfiller]

Seattle has a $7 million option on Kuma.

 

What a steal of a contract.

[Orgfiller]

Obvious Yankees target

 

Scherzer scares me, he would make a good candidate for them too.

[G-Snarls]

OTOH, the 2B free agent market still kinda sucks. Of course, COULD move Reyes or Lawrie to 2B and therefore shop from the 3B or SS list

 

Again, * = 2015 team option

 

Second Basemen

Emilio Bonifacio

Alexi Casilla

Mark Ellis

Rafael Furcal

Kelly Johnson

Nick Punto *

Brian Roberts

Ramon Santiago

Rickie Weeks *

Ben Zobrist *

 

 

Shortstops

Mike Aviles *

Asdrubal Cabrera

Alex Gonzalez

J.J. Hardy

Jed Lowrie

John McDonald

Hiroyuki Nakajima *

Hanley Ramirez

Jimmy Rollins *

 

 

Third Basemen

Wilson Betemit

Alberto Callaspo

Eric Chavez

Jack Hannahan *

Chase Headley

Casey McGehee

Donnie Murphy

Nick Punto *

Aramis Ramirez *

Pablo Sandoval

Ty Wigginton

Edited August 22, 2014 by G-Snarls

[BTS]

What a steal of a contract.

 

Say what you want about Jack Z, but he absolutely nailed the Kuma signing and subsequent extension.

[G-Snarls]

Seattle has a $7 million option on Kuma.

 

Ah, you're right. The BP/Cots list was wrong. I fixed my post.

 

Good thing, Seattle obviously picks that up and keeps him from coming East for at least 1 more year.

[ElNik2013]

Time to change our opinions on the Mariners GM. He be an idiot before, now he's ok....talk about fools...

[burlingtonbandit]

I feel like McCarthy will be resigned by New York which is a shame because I really wanted the Blue Jays to trade for him this season.

[BTS]

Time to change our opinions on the Mariners GM. He be an idiot before, now he's ok....talk about fools...

 

Not everything is black and white. Bad players make good plays, bad GMs make good moves etc... Jack Z did a great job with Iwakuma.

[Orgfiller]

Say what you want about Jack Z, but he absolutely nailed the Kuma signing and subsequent extension.

 

What's also pretty cool/impressive is that after signing Felix he's had his best two years of his career, which is crazy considering he was already as good as they get.

[Orgfiller]

Not everything is black and white. Bad players make good plays, bad GMs make good moves etc... Jack Z did a great job with Iwakuma.

 

His roster construction is still a disaster, regardless of the position the team is in right now.

[BTS]

What's also pretty cool/impressive is that after signing Felix he's had his best two years of his career, which is crazy considering he was already as good as they get.

 

Despite a declining fastball velocity too. Guy is just ridiculous.

[BTS]

His roster construction is still a disaster, regardless of the position the team is in right now.

 

Yeah, and he's apparently kind of a bag of dicks. Finishing with 86 wins or whatever isn't that impressive.

[GD]

Yeah, and he's apparently kind of a bag of dicks. Finishing with 86 wins or whatever isn't that impressive.

 

There's also the whole lying about fancystats thing.

[BTS]

There's also the whole lying about fancystats thing.

 

Yeah. This article is amazing, lol:

 

http://seattletimes.com/html/mariners/2022420240_mariners08xml.html