Melky gon get paid

[SAAviour]

Dickey as a #4 innings eater with his salary is actually quite valuable and I'd want him on my team, I just wish he didn't come with josh Thole.

A rotation of:

New ace

Stroman

Hutchison

Dickey

Sanchez

Norris

Nolin

 

Looks quite good to me.

[z3r0s]

Dickey as a #4 innings eater with his salary is actually quite valuable and I'd want him on my team, I just wish he didn't come with josh Thole.

A rotation of:

New ace

Stroman

Hutchison

Dickey

Sanchez

Norris

Nolin

 

Looks quite good to me.

 

He doesn't need to come with Josh Thole, that just an odd choice from management. I agree that Dickey is a valuable commodity (especially if you believe in the Knuckle-ball effect).

 

If its me, I start the year with Dickey, Buerhle, Stroman, Hutchison, Sanchez. You have Happ and Redmond in long relief with the ability to spot start. You have Norris, Nolin, and a few others in AAA ready for injuries.

 

That's a few arms you can count on for 200 innings each (almost a lock), some nice high upside starter, good spot-start backup, and a little depth (including high-upside depth). All that only costs the team just over 40M.

[saskjayfan]

The Jays are 11th out of 15 AL teams in Runs Scored per Game in Away Games. Their offensive output, overall, is heavily influenced by Rogers Centre. This was the case early in the year, when most/all of their players were healthy. They were "elite" in total runs scored, then, while being mediocre-to-poor in runs scored in Away games. Only Texas, Houston, Boston and TB have been worse than the Jays in scoring runs away from home.

 

They also have the 5th highest .OPS on the road in the AL and have played a few more away games than home games since some of our key offensive players have been out. The offense is one of the best in baseball when the lineup looks like the following:

 

Reyes

Cabrera

bats

EE

lind/reimold

lawrie

butterball

Colby

kawa/valencia

 

We just can't stay healthy.

[burlingtonbandit]

He doesn't need to come with Josh Thole, that just an odd choice from management. I agree that Dickey is a valuable commodity (especially if you believe in the Knuckle-ball effect).

 

If its me, I start the year with Dickey, Buerhle, Stroman, Hutchison, Sanchez. You have Happ and Redmond in long relief with the ability to spot start. You have Norris, Nolin, and a few others in AAA ready for injuries.

 

That's a few arms you can count on for 200 innings each (almost a lock), some nice high upside starter, good spot-start backup, and a little depth (including high-upside depth). All that only costs the team just over 40M.

 

I don't think you pick up Happ's option to have him in long relief. 6.7 Million in the pen is a waste of money. You pick up the option to have him as a #5 or trade him (my preference). I agree with keeping Dickey. 12 Million is a great contract for the value he provides and there is no long term risk you would have with picking up a similar starter.

 

Im in favour of trading Buehrle. I think you could trade him and only have to kick in less than 5 million and still get a decent prospect back.

[z3r0s]

I don't think you pick up Happ's option to have him in long relief. 6.7 Million in the pen is a waste of money. You pick up the option to have him as a #5 or trade him (my preference). I agree with keeping Dickey. 12 Million is a great contract for the value he provides and there is no long term risk you would have with picking up a similar starter.

 

Im in favour of trading Buehrle. I think you could trade him and only have to kick in less than 5 million and still get a decent prospect back.

 

The reason you pick up the Happ option is that he is an insurance vs injury, you don't expect him to be in the BP the whole season.

 

I don't see us trading Buehrle for a few reasons. I don't see us getting much a return for him unless we kick in more cash than that. He also offers us something we don't get from anyone other than Dickey, a guarantee of 200 innings. When you plan on rolling with unproven guys (like our rookies) it pays to have some stability if things go sideways.

[Chappy]

Trading both Dickey and Buehrle is suicide. I can understand moving Buehrle at his price tag in order to address other needs, but Dickey is being paid a fair salary for what he gives this team. Both eat a ton of innings and while neither is a frontline guy, they serve important roles in this rotation. Even if AA flips Buehrle he will likely have to eat a big chunk of payroll. Maybe he saves $10M? I'm not really sure it's worth it. I'd rather let all the FA's walk and not touch any of the options, only bring back Melky. Then focus on acquiring a 2B or 3B, followed by addressing the pen. Upgrading the rotation is last on my list when we have Sanchez, Norris, and Nolin all ready to contribute in 2015 along with a guy like Redmond in the mix. I just can't see AA shelling out a huge contract nor can I seen him trading away the farm for a SP. Anything is possible, but addressing the other needs on this team and letting the young SP mature will likely help this team take another step forward to being a true contender in 2015.

[TheHurl]

I understand there's risk, but I'd rather go with a Shields and Sanchez, or lester and Sanchez, or Hammels and sanchez....than Dickey and Buehrle. The dollars are the same. You eat half those innings with a veteran guy. You take obvious risk with three young players in stro, hutch and sanchez in the rotation. You have Redmond though, who has been quite durable and could start. You have Norris who will be ready next year as number 7. This team needs a front line starter. Look at the trade deadline, all teams went out and got top of the rotation guys and those teams already had top of the rotation guys!

 

I completely understand that you don't trade dickey and Buehrle if you couldn't get a legit top of the rotation guy. If you can, I would get that guy to lead a group of highly talented young starters.

 

I didn't realize we were talking about a fantasy world. Jays aren't going to go from not giving out 5 or more year contracts to being in on the biggest FA's in the game. There is no doubt that the Jays are better with Lester and Sanchez. I just don't think it's at all realistic.

[burlingtonbandit]

Trading both Dickey and Buehrle is suicide. I can understand moving Buehrle at his price tag in order to address other needs, but Dickey is being paid a fair salary for what he gives this team. Both eat a ton of innings and while neither is a frontline guy, they serve important roles in this rotation. Even if AA flips Buehrle he will likely have to eat a big chunk of payroll. Maybe he saves $10M? I'm not really sure it's worth it. I'd rather let all the FA's walk and not touch any of the options, only bring back Melky. Then focus on acquiring a 2B or 3B, followed by addressing the pen. Upgrading the rotation is last on my list when we have Sanchez, Norris, and Nolin all ready to contribute in 2015 along with a guy like Redmond in the mix. I just can't see AA shelling out a huge contract nor can I seen him trading away the farm for a SP. Anything is possible, but addressing the other needs on this team and letting the young SP mature will likely help this team take another step forward to being a true contender in 2015.

 

I would definitely not trade Dickey for the reasons you mentioned. I think you should move Buehrle though and take the 12-15 million in savings. Although he has been very consistent in his career I believe he's declining and next season won't look pretty. His BB, K and GB numbers this year have take a turn from his career and the velocity decline won't help.

 

I think you move him now and get the value while you can. Since we have depth in the rotation I think we can afford to lose him.

[Dick_Pole]

There is not going to be an ace added to this team. The only way it kind of makes sense is if you trade two current starters, say Dickey and Happ or Hutchison and somehow turn that into an ace. The Jays have good depth and if you exclude MB, you're paying something like $20M combined for Dickey, Stroman, Happ and Hutchison or Sanchez. That's pretty good. I am of the opinion that Happ will be the incumbent for the #4 spot and he has earned that right so it is his to lose.

 

The Jays need to focus whatever resources they have on padding their razor-thin, injury-prone but elite-when-healthy lineup. If you have a stacked lineup you can get away without having an ace. It worked just fine in 1993.

[HERPDERP]

You're talking about acquiring Anibal Sanchez, right? Right?!?

 

Signing Jonathan Sanchez for league min

 

[KingKat]

Signing Jonathan Sanchez for league min

 

 

Make that a MiLB contract and I could get behind it.

[GD]

Make that a MiLB contract and I could get behind it.

 

Didn't the board want to trade Bautista for him or Jair Jurrjens?

[KingKat]

Didn't the board want to trade Bautista for him or Jair Jurrjens?

 

Don't recall that. I do remember his name coming up after the Giants backed out of Lincecum for Rios. Lincecum he ain't.

[TheHurl]

You keep saying you want a 2B/3B option. I'm just wondering who you had in mind?

 

Valbuena, Uribe in trade. Casey McGehee in FA?

[HERPDERP]

Oh Valbuena Valbuena Valbuena...

 

Damn I'm trying to find the video of that, I forgot the play but I remember it was funny

[SunnyDays]

Damn I'm trying to find the video of that, I forgot the play but I remember it was funny

 

Found it

 

http://viewpure.com/dQw4w9WgXcQ

[saskjayfan]

You're talking about acquiring Anibal Sanchez, right? Right?!?

 

No. The Jays have a young kid by the name of Aaron Sanchez on their roster. He came up mid year and is currently pitching out of the bullpen. The kid is really good. You should look him up.

[Chappy]

You keep saying you want a 2B/3B option. I'm just wondering who you had in mind?

 

Off the top of my head I believe Asdrubal Cabrera will be a FA and I like him as an option at SS if the Jays brass can convince Reyes to move over to 2B (unlikely). Stephen Drew, JJ Hardy and Jed Lawrie are also available, and I would think Drew would come cheap at this point and has already stated he would move to 2B if needed. JJ Hardy would be my top choice, but I have a hard time seeing AA being able to lure him to Toronto. 2B is really thin for options, but SS has some decent ones which I stated above. For 3B Chase Headley would make a lot of sense and we would lose nothing defensively at 3B over Lawrie and 2B would also be strong with Lawrie there. There are some other options like Sandoval and Hanley Ramirez, but I would steer clear and I doubt they would come here anyways.

 

I'm probably missing a couple, but there are some options.

[CHRIS]

Found it

 

http://viewpure.com/dQw4w9WgXcQ

 

God Dammit.

[Chappy]

Simple move Reyes to 2B and sign JJ Hardy to play SS.

 

Yes, it's just so simple.

[burlingtonbandit]

With Hardy you know what your going to get. As steady as it comes at Short. Capable hitter with power. Asdrubal Cabrera is inconsistent and has been in decline. Not sure why the Nationals even wanted him. Headly is injury prone. Reyes needs to be moved off short. Unless were going to go the trade route Hardy makes to much sense. I don't see any reason why he wouldn't want to come here.

 

Ever thought of what if Hardy doesn't want to play on the turf in Toronto? Not as simple as you think...

[Chappy]

Ever thought of what if Hardy doesn't want to play on the turf in Toronto? Not as simple as you think...

 

Bingo.

[burlingtonbandit]

Of course I thought of this but I have never heard of him complaining about the turf and money can talk. Drew isn't bothered by the turf and hes played at the RC a lot. Will see its a great fit for both sides.

 

Just because you have never heard a guy complain about turf doesn't mean he wants to play on it. You can overpay but like we talked about earlier there are more than a couple holes on this team so overpaying is just going to leave a couple more holes unfilled.

[BigCecil]

Just because you have never heard a guy complain about turf doesn't mean he wants to play on it. You can overpay but like we talked about earlier there are more than a couple holes on this team so overpaying is just going to leave a couple more holes unfilled.

 

or even more challenging on the turf - in Canada - on a team with an ever more confusing sense of organizational direction (to many)