The Jose Reyes hate/vent thread

[Vincent]

This mother f***er has cost us time and time again.

 

f***ing s*** defense

 

f***ing s*** base running

 

f***ing awful plate discipline

[Spoonovic]

Hes a great offensive short stop.

 

I'd like to see him move to 2nd also.

[baubau]

Jose's offense and ability to steal base is wonderful to have. The 3 biggest issues you'll face with him is his inability to play defense, stay healthy and contract. He would be best at 2nd base where you can eliminate the bad defense somewhat as his throws *should* be more accurate and possibly the injuries as he won't be running as much in 2nd.

[Statman]

This mother f***er has cost us time and time again.

 

f***ing s*** defense

 

f***ing s*** base running

 

f***ing awful plate discipline

 

I haven't had the time to look up the numbers but Reyes has to be one of the worst starting defensive shortstop in MLB.

[BigCecil]

Move him to second base and I won't hate him.

 

Move him to 2nd...agreed. Still too expensive but less of a loss on D assuming you have someone that can field to backfill.

 

A red pylon with a f***ing glove stuck on it would have a better defensive WAR than Reyes this year.

[Deadpool]

Move him to 2nd...agreed. Still too expensive but less of a loss on D assuming you have someone that can field to backfill.

 

A red pylon with a f***ing glove stuck on it would have a better defensive WAR than Reyes this year.

 

We have at minimum 2 superior shortstops on the 25 right now, so we do have someone if he were to move over to 2nd.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Never mind Reyes, we need hate threads for that choking whining bitch Bautista and that fat sack of crap Francisco.

[Statman]

Every ball hit in the vicinity of Reyes in the infield is a cluster. Another #$%^&** routine ball botched by this clown in the 18th inning.

[Deadpool]

Never mind Reyes, we need hate threads for that choking whining bitch Bautista and that fat sack of crap Francisco.

 

Yes, Bautista certainly didn't win the game for us or anything...

[bzapple]

Yes, Bautista certainly didn't win the game for us or anything...

 

I just HATE elite baseball players!

[Brenner]

I've been saying for a long time he should be at 2nd. He should be able to play a great 2nd defensively. Even if his WAR remains the same from the move, a defensive stud/offensive black hole has more value at SS than at 2B.

[burlingtonbandit]

I've been saying for a long time he should be at 2nd. He should be able to play a great 2nd defensively. Even if his WAR remains the same from the move, a defensive stud/offensive black hole has more value at SS than at 2B.

 

What makes you think his range will be better at 2nd than SS? He still has terrible range.

[Vincent]

What makes you think his range will be better at 2nd than SS? He still has terrible range.

 

I guess the point is if you absolutely have to play a below average middle infielder, you'd rather have him at 2B than SS. Though I agree that range is just as important at either position except 2B you have more time and can play deeper.

[closetjaysfan]

Reyes has a -6.3 URZ/150 which is bottom of the league.

[Vincent]

Reyes has a -6.3 URZ/150 which is bottom of the league.

 

People don't even realize how bad he is. We'd be better off with Ryan Goins great defense/bad bat than Reyes bad defense/good bat.

[burlingtonbandit]

People don't even realize how bad he is. We'd be better off with Ryan Goins great defense/bad bat than Reyes bad defense/good bat.

 

No we wouldn't. Goins is great defence/No Bat. Reyes is great bat/bad defence.

[Vincent]

Ryan Goins should not be in the Major Leagues. Reyes is a first-division regular.

 

How many hits has Reyes allowed this season that an average to slightly above average defender would get? I'd say at least 1 every 2 games.

 

He's played in 102 games. So that's roughly 51 hits allowed.

 

Reyes has 124 hits in 433 AB. So if you subtract hits allowed from his batting average, he'd be batting 0.167.

[NorthOf49]

How many hits has Reyes allowed this season that an average to slightly above average defender would get? I'd say at least 1 every 2 games.

 

He's played in 102 games. So that's roughly 51 hits allowed.

 

Reyes has 124 hits in 433 AB. 124 - 51 = 73. So if you sub tracts hits allowed from his batting average, he'd be batting 0.167.

Here are some real numbers: There have been 238 balls in Jose Reyes' shortstop zone this season and he's made 179 plays. That means he's converted 75.2% of the total possible plays. Andrelton Simmons (the gold standard of shortstops) has a 77.4% conversion rate.

 

Reyes is about 10 runs worse than average over a 150-game season at shortstop, and by ZiPS is 11.6 runs better than average (among all MLB hitters) with the bat. The positional adjustment at shortstop is about 7.5 runs over a season. He's a better-than-average Major League player.

[GD]

Here are some real numbers: There have been 238 balls in Jose Reyes' shortstop zone this season and he's made 179 plays. That means he's converted 75.2% of the total possible plays. Andrelton Simmons (the gold standard of shortstops) has a 77.4% conversion rate.

 

Reyes is about 10 runs worse than average over a 150-game season at shortstop, and by ZiPS is 11.6 runs better than average (among all MLB hitters) with the bat. The positional adjustment at shortstop is about 7.5 runs over a season. He's a better-than-average Major League player.

 

Also helpful: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1736&position=SS#iefielding

 

"here are some real numbers" shots fired lol

[NorthOf49]

Also helpful: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1736&position=SS#iefielding

 

"here are some real numbers" shots fired lol

He doesn't make (m)any plays that he's not expected to, but he's a capable Major League shortstop.

[Vincent]

WTF??? This is your metric, pulled directly out of your ass!?

 

LOL it was bad I know but was too lazy to go and look s*** up.

[Vincent]

Here are some real numbers: There have been 238 balls in Jose Reyes' shortstop zone this season and he's made 179 plays. That means he's converted 75.2% of the total possible plays. Andrelton Simmons (the gold standard of shortstops) has a 77.4% conversion rate.

 

Reyes is about 10 runs worse than average over a 150-game season at shortstop, and by ZiPS is 11.6 runs better than average (among all MLB hitters) with the bat. The positional adjustment at shortstop is about 7.5 runs over a season. He's a better-than-average Major League player.

 

You win this round Batman.

 

The thing I don't understand is how can Jose Reyes have a higher RZR than Adeiny Hechavarria (for example)? Seems these metrics are sloppy at best.

 

Also interesting to note that Reyes RZR is significantly lower than his career average (and lowest of any other year).

[burlingtonbandit]

You win this round Batman.

 

The thing I don't understand is how can Jose Reyes have a higher RZR than Adeiny Hechavarria (for example)? Seems these metrics are sloppy at best.

 

Also interesting to note that Reyes RZR is significantly lower than his career average (and lowest of any other year).

 

I think Hech's defence is overrated from when he was in Toronto. When the tracking info gets put in every stadium and if it becomes available to the public, defensive performance will become much more accurate and UZR will not have to be used.

[z3r0s]

for what its worth ZiPS has him as on pace for 3.4 WAR (2.5 right now). You can call him overpaid, or a bad long term asset, but for now he is above average, and I agree with those numbers.

[Vincent]

I think Hech's defence is overrated from when he was in Toronto. When the tracking info gets put in every stadium and if it becomes available to the public, defensive performance will become much more accurate and UZR will not have to be used.

 

I think I've seen Reyes make 2 diving plays all year long. Whereas Hech' seemed to be all-out on every play. In addition Reyes gets awful jumps on balls. For these reasons and more the defensive metrics don't make sense.

[McD]

I haven't had the time to look up the numbers...

 

love it, not really deserving of the name statman.

[GD]

The thing I don't understand is how can Jose Reyes have a higher RZR than Adeiny Hechavarria (for example)?

 

I think Hech's defence is overrated from when he was in Toronto.

 

Look up "Hechavarria positioning" and you shall have your answers.

 

I think I've seen Reyes make 2 diving plays all year long.

 

I'd rather have Clint Barnes get to a ball easily than have Jeter get there slow and have to make a flashy desperation play.