Deck Mcguire traded to the A's for Cash

[GD]

I wanted Josh Sale. So I won't talk to much smack but yes nobody really wanted him outside of a few guys who thought he would be a quick to the big leagues type. Chris Sale was hit or miss by people. A lot of people expected and assumed he was just a reliever.

 

I don't think you were the only one that wanted Sale.

[HASHTAGYOLOSWAG]

Hasnt Deck been lighting it up this year?

[BTS]

Jays need a new "ugliest guy in the organization" after McGuire trade

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Any suggestions?

 

A perfect example of a guy who needs to grow a massive beard.

[KingKat]

I wanted Josh Sale. So I won't talk to much smack but yes nobody really wanted him outside of a few guys who thought he would be a quick to the big leagues type. Chris Sale was hit or miss by people. A lot of people expected and assumed he was just a reliever.

 

I think it's fair to say that before the draft, amongst the crowd that actually discusses the draft before hand, Deck was the least popular option. It was largely felt that JP had already gone the low ceiling college guy route too many times. After the draft, there was some hedging. Maybe it's worth it to have someone who can come up and provide innings quickly, that sort or thing. It's obvious in hindsight, that he went too early in the draft. You can't afford to waste an opportunity to get impact talent. The pick would have been much easier to defend if it had come later.

[G-Snarls]

I wanted Josh Sale. So I won't talk to much smack but yes nobody really wanted him outside of a few guys who thought he would be a quick to the big leagues type. Chris Sale was hit or miss by people. A lot of people expected and assumed he was just a reliever.

 

Jeez I just looked at 2010 first round for the first time in a while. Really not a very illustrious draft class. 3 franchise players at best (so far), a fee decent major leaguers and a whole bunch in the top 20 who have gone nowhere.

[KingKat]

Jeez I just looked at 2010 first round for the first time in a while. Really not a very illustrious draft class. 3 franchise players at best (so far), a fee decent major leaguers and a whole bunch in the top 20 who have gone nowhere.

 

It really wasn't a bad draft for the Jays overall. Sanchez and Syndergaard in the supplemental were excellent picks.

[G-Snarls]

Hasnt Deck been lighting it up this year?

 

No. Promoted to AAA in a "sink or swim" move. He sank.

[G-Snarls]

It really wasn't a bad draft for the Jays overall. Sanchez and Syndergaard in the supplemental were excellent picks.

 

Absolutely. Back when they were stockpiling compensation picks they could target higher risk higher reward arms with abandon. the strategy worked well.

[metafour]

Despite the fact that most on the internet weren't enamored with McGuire's upside at the time, he was actually liked pretty universally by most draft writers/analysts. In reality, he actually kind of "dropped" to us at #11 as most had him in the Top 10. That 2010 draft in reality turned out to be a pretty big train wreck for the first round. The reality with the McGuire pick is that his stuff pretty much declined across the board right after he turned Pro. He was never billed as having explosive front-line stuff, but no one foresaw him throwing ~90mph with zero movement and s***** secondary pitches either.

 

Ironically enough he wasn't even the worst "potential" pick in hindsight as a lot of Jays fans wanted Josh Sale that year. Apart from the multiple suspensions, Sale hasn't even moved past High A yet.

 

 

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[wilko]

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[KingKat]

Despite the fact that most on the internet weren't enamored with McGuire's upside at the time, he was actually liked pretty universally by most draft writers/analysts. In reality, he actually kind of "dropped" to us at #11 as most had him in the Top 10. That 2010 draft in reality turned out to be a pretty big train wreck for the first round. The reality with the McGuire pick is that his stuff pretty much declined across the board right after he turned Pro. He was never billed as having explosive front-line stuff, but no one foresaw him throwing ~90mph with zero movement and s***** secondary pitches either.

 

Ironically enough he wasn't even the worst "potential" pick in hindsight as a lot of Jays fans wanted Josh Sale that year. Apart from the multiple suspensions, Sale hasn't even moved past High A yet.

 

 

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I don't think it's fair to say that Sale was a worse pick than Deck. Sale was a high school guy so he was inherently more risky whereas Deck was supposed to have a decent floor which he clearly didn't. Sure Josh Sale hasn't moved past high A but he's two years younger than Deck and has missed development time. Deck, as a college guy, should have been in the majors by now and he's missed zero development time. Both are about the equal amount of fail and Sale only on account of youth, has the better shot of rescuing his carreer.

[shortstop]

wonder what Deck has done with the $2m signing bonus

[TwistedLogic]

15K doesn't cover McGuire travel expenses. 250-350K.

 

I don't think there's a chance in hell that he fetched them 250-350k. You can quote me on that, because there's no way in which I see that happening.

 

I'll be surprised if it cost the A's the 20k the Jays paid for Jeffress.

[metafour]

I don't think it's fair to say that Sale was a worse pick than Deck. Sale was a high school guy so he was inherently more risky whereas Deck was supposed to have a decent floor which he clearly didn't. Sure Josh Sale hasn't moved past high A but he's two years younger than Deck and has missed development time. Deck, as a college guy, should have been in the majors by now and he's missed zero development time. Both are about the equal amount of fail and Sale only on account of youth, has the better shot of rescuing his carreer.

 

We're arguing over semantics. Who's the bigger bust? The guy who sucks, or the meth-head who also sucks? You can say that Deck was supposed to have a decent floor and I'll tell you that Sale was supposed to be a potentially elite bat (his one carrying trait), and alas he's sitting with a .600 OPS in High A at age 23. Out of the two McGuire still looks more likely to contribute in some way, even if it is as only a mop-up reliever for a team that plays in a pitcher's park.

[JaysFan4Ever]

So, they basically traded Deck for Mills? They might have gotten their waiver fee back and a bit more.

[G-Snarls]

So, they basically traded Deck for Mills? They might have gotten their waiver fee back and a bit more.

 

Trash for trash should be no charge

[TwistedLogic]

So, they basically traded Deck for Mills? They might have gotten their waiver fee back and a bit more.

 

Hopefully a bit more. Apparently you have a better shot of seeing Mills for sale at the dollar store than you do in an MLB game.

[vdartanian]

Cash means = 250 to 350K, right?

 

Think AA got Billy Beane to fill the soda machine in the clubhouse for the next couple years as compensation.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I think it's fair to say that before the draft, amongst the crowd that actually discusses the draft before hand, Deck was the least popular option. It was largely felt that JP had already gone the low ceiling college guy route too many times. After the draft, there was some hedging. Maybe it's worth it to have someone who can come up and provide innings quickly, that sort or thing. It's obvious in hindsight, that he went too early in the draft. You can't afford to waste an opportunity to get impact talent. The pick would have been much easier to defend if it had come later.

 

I wonder if someone looked into it where a new GM is hired by any team in baseball and strips a team down if the first draft he's responsible if the preference is to take a college kid over HS to get/show a quick return.

[saskjayfan]

Think AA got Billy Beane to fill the soda machine in the clubhouse for the next couple years as compensation.

 

that was pretty good..but seriously couldn't have been much more than that dollar wise. Is there no game day thread today?

[Anemic0ffense]

I bet everyone on here is so studly with 11/10 girlfriends.......

[Deadpool]

There goes another first round pick down the drain

 

Damn, that's only most of them in the history of baseball!

[awsomest]

I bet everyone on here is so studly with 11/10 girlfriends.......

 

Wait What??? You don't have a six pack and are banging 11's?

[o2cui2i]

Deck = useless, cash = useful

 

mexican math isn't the same as ours. lol

[saskjayfan]

Obviously. I have 11's a phone call away from a bang.

 

wait till you young bucks get married and are only a lawn cut, quick trip to 3 stores to run errands, cleaning the bathroom and a back rub away from a bang....

[Angrioter]

[Dick_Pole]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/billion-dollar-billy-beane/

 

Ugh. That paragraph comparing Beane to Bonds and Ruth annoys me. Of course a GM has an opportunity to score big "WAR" if you rank him on the performance of the entire 25-man roster for 162 games a season. A position player who plays every single inning in all 162 games is still only 1/9th of the team. So you have to divide Beane's performance by 9 to make him comparable to an everyday player. The article brings up some good points but I see it enough times where these stat heads skew the truth like this to prove that their heroes have god-like status in baseball.

[admin]

Deck McGuire: "A talent hard to find it, but when you find him, he shits all over place"

 

That could also be Spany's mottoo.

[admin]

I didn't really follow drafts until a few years ago

 

Obviously this was a terrible pick in retrospect, but it really wasn't a particularly strong draft either. Certainly it was no 2009.

 

Anyway, at the time, were most people down on picking him or not necessarily?

 

I believe at the time he was predicted to be a #3-#4 starter. If the #11 pick the MLB draft is predicted to be a mid to bottom rotation player, why not go for a HS gamble?

This was a Russ Adams pick. "Polished" near mlb ready that wasn't predicted to be anything more than 'okay', if anything.

[ElNik2013]

Can someone please do the honours and look at players drafted before Stroman in 2012 that, in hindsight, are looking like dumb picks?