How would you blow it up?

[DuckDuckGose]

Theoretically, it's July 31st and the Jays are +15 games out of it. Beeston comes in to your office and says AA has been fired and that you are being promoted to GM. There are going to be some changes for next season. Firstly, payroll is too high; Rogers needs it below $100M before the start of the 2015 season. Secondly, Rogers needs you to field a contender within 3 seasons.

 

Everything else is up to you. How do you get it done?

[Atothe]

Pretty good trade chips in Eddy and Bautista. Decent one in Buehrle. Horrible one in Reyes. Let Dickey play his contract if no takers.

[Atothe]

Happ for C prospect or better please

[DuckDuckGose]

Pretty good trade chips in Eddy and Bautista. Decent one in Buehrle. Horrible one in Reyes. Let Dickey play his contract if no takers.

 

I'd definitely ship out Jose, Edwin and Buehrle before the deadline. I'd also look to move all of the 1yr contract guys (or players with options) like Janssen, Lind Rasmus, Happ and Melky. I;d look to move Dickey and Reyes but I'd want value back. They'd probably be easier to move in the off-season so I'd probably finish the year with them in the rotation. Morrow is a bit of a wild card for me, if he pitches well I probably move him as well.

 

Was looking for some fantasy trades/rosters as well if you want to take it to the next level!

[GD]

Buehrle -> Seattle for some combination of Diaz/Paxton/Marlette/Sanchez/Wilson/Taylor/Goehara

 

Reyes + cash -> Giants for Crick -> Cubs for Alcantara

 

That's under $100m already lol.

[DuckDuckGose]

Buehrle -> Seattle for some combination of Diaz/Paxton/Marlette/Sanchez/Wilson/Taylor/Goehara

 

Reyes + cash -> Giants for Crick -> Cubs for Alcantara

 

That's under $100m already lol.

 

And still 3-4 pieces away from a contender.

 

 

Who'd win in something like this?

 

 

Edwin + Janssen + Morrow (provided he returns before the deadline and plays well) to the Royals for Zimmer + Starling + Mondesi

 

 

 

Edit: I'd also prefer Alcantra in the deals you proposed. I just have a feeling he's going to be really good.

[Chappy]

Everyone on the roster not named Stroman, Hutchison, and Lawrie would be available. Many of our guys would net us varying degrees of prospects and Bautista and EE would each bring in a haul. Other than Reyes, almost everyone can be moved fairly easily, and even then I'm not sure there wouldn't be some takers for Reyes as well.

 

This team could easily be rebuilt in 3 years if that is the direction management chooses to go, however that will never happen.

[Chappy]

And still 3-4 pieces away from a contender.

 

 

Who'd win in something like this?

 

 

Edwin + Janssen + Morrow (provided he returns before the deadline and plays well) to the Royals for Zimmer + Starling + Mondesi

 

 

 

Edit: I'd also prefer Alcantra in the deals you proposed. I just have a feeling he's going to be really good.

 

Edwin should be shopped alone. Same goes for Bautista. Both have cheap options for 2016 and would each bring in a haul. Janssen alone would net us a good prospect as well. No one will give anything more than a middling prospect for Morrow at this point.

[GD]

Edwin + Janssen + Morrow (provided he returns before the deadline and plays well) to the Royals for Zimmer + Starling + Mondesi

 

The Royals, by a lot. Imo.

[BTS]

Scorched earth. All of the team's best players are old as s***. Current players on the roster I'm penciling in for contention in three years would look something like:

 

SP - Stroman

SP - Hutchison

 

OF - Gose

3B/2B - Lawrie

 

So two mid-rotation starters, a 2-3 win infielder, and a nifty 4th OF. If there were more pieces in place it might make sense to keep one or both of Edwin and Bautista through the rebuild, but that doesn't make sense for two reasons: 1) they are far and away the team's two most valuable assets and rebuilding without trading them in for multiple pieces would be difficult, and 2) this isn't going to be a 1-2 year retool. The organization is devoid of young talent that projects to help significantly in the majors in the next 3-4 years. It could be 5 years before the team is ready to win, and at that point Edwin and Bautista will be on the wrong side of 35.

 

Tear it all down .

[Terminator]

Theoretically, it's July 31st and the Jays are +15 games out of it. Beeston comes in to your office and says AA has been fired and that you are being promoted to GM. There are going to be some changes for next season. Firstly, payroll is too high; Rogers needs it below $100M before the start of the 2015 season. Secondly, Rogers needs you to field a contender within 3 seasons.

 

Given those parameters what else can be done but trade damn near everyone who makes money and is 30+ for young MLB players or MLB-ready prospects? EE would be the one guy that could be kept.

[gruber92]

I'd keep Edwin for the long haul, trade Bautista for sure. EE will be a durable,reliable middle of the order bat for at least another 5-7 years,primarily at DH. Build the line up around him.

[TheHurl]

What I think is realistic

 

1. Trade Reyes to the Tigers for Iglesias and Knebel

2. Trade Janssen to the Angels for Yarbrough and Alvarez (Yes I just traded for my second reliever)

3. Trade Bautista to the Braves for Alex Wood and Lucas Sims.

4 Trade Buehrle and some cash to KC for Hunter Dozier (if he can be a RF long term)

5. Trade Lind, Rasmus, and Cabrera for what I'm not sure as I really can't gauge their trade value

 

2015 1B. EE, 2B Yarborough/Izturis/some other option, SS Iglesias, 3B Lawrie, OF Gose and not sure.

 

SP Stroman, Dickey, Wood, Hutch,

Closer Knebel

 

I think I can do better than this but it's really a team that can compete pretty quickly depending on what I could do with the OF.

[Boxcar]

And still 3-4 pieces away from a contender.

 

 

Who'd win in something like this?

 

 

Edwin + Janssen + Morrow (provided he returns before the deadline and plays well) to the Royals for Zimmer + Starling + Mondesi

 

 

 

Edit: I'd also prefer Alcantra in the deals you proposed. I just have a feeling he's going to be really good.

 

Wow, that is like a Randy trade in the BBDL if he's the Royals. Why would anyone ever want Bubba Starling?

[DuckDuckGose]

Edwin should be shopped alone. Same goes for Bautista. Both have cheap options for 2016 and would each bring in a haul. Janssen alone would net us a good prospect as well. No one will give anything more than a middling prospect for Morrow at this point.

 

I was really just trying to come up with a way to land Zimmer for Edwin. I'm not sure he would be enough alone. I was thinking that Janssen + Morrow might tip the scales enough to get KC to pull the trigger.

 

My ultimate goal would be to land as many elite prospects as possible, an undisputed top 25 prospect kind of guy. IMO The Jays already have enough depth throughout the system, they should be building packages to acquire these longterm stars.

 

If you can get a true blue chipper for Edwin on his own then it would definitely be prudent to ship him solo. Move Janssen + Morrow in a package to get someone else's top guy.

[DuckDuckGose]

Wow, that is like a Randy trade in the BBDL if he's the Royals. Why would anyone ever want Bubba Starling?

 

Am I the only one still on the Bubba Starling bandwagon? I think he'll be alright, 5-6 years away though...

[DuckDuckGose]

Given those parameters what else can be done but trade damn near everyone who makes money and is 30+ for young MLB players or MLB-ready prospects? EE would be the one guy that could be kept.

 

That's kind of the point. They've already blown the 3 playoffs in 5yrs and aren't anywhere near contending. Might be time to shift the window and move your assets to be competitive 2-3 years down the road.

[Boxcar]

I was really just trying to come up with a way to land Zimmer for Edwin. I'm not sure he would be enough alone. I was thinking that Janssen + Morrow might tip the scales enough to get KC to pull the trigger.

 

My ultimate goal would be to land as many elite prospects as possible, an undisputed top 25 prospect kind of guy. IMO The Jays already have enough depth throughout the system, they should be building packages to acquire these longterm stars.

 

If you can get a true blue chipper for Edwin on his own then it would definitely be prudent to ship him solo. Move Janssen + Morrow in a package to get someone else's top guy.

 

Edwin not enough to land Zimmer on his own? WTF?

[DuckDuckGose]

Scorched earth. All of the team's best players are old as s***. Current players on the roster I'm penciling in for contention in three years would look something like:

 

SP - Stroman

SP - Hutchison

 

OF - Gose

3B/2B - Lawrie

 

So two mid-rotation starters, a 2-3 win infielder, and a nifty 4th OF. If there were more pieces in place it might make sense to keep one or both of Edwin and Bautista through the rebuild, but that doesn't make sense for two reasons: 1) they are far and away the team's two most valuable assets and rebuilding without trading them in for multiple pieces would be difficult, and 2) this isn't going to be a 1-2 year retool. The organization is devoid of young talent that projects to help significantly in the majors in the next 3-4 years. It could be 5 years before the team is ready to win, and at that point Edwin and Bautista will be on the wrong side of 35.

 

Tear it all down .

 

They have some pitching on the cusp that should be ready in 2-3 years; Hoffman, Norris, Osuna, Sanchez. If two of those guys pan out they'll be sitting pretty good with young arms. They'd still need to completely fill the rest of the diamond though! If you can nab an elite bat I think the Jays have to jump at the chance.

[DuckDuckGose]

Edwin not enough to land Zimmer on his own? WTF?

 

For KC to move Zimmer on his own. There is absolutely no incentive to move Zimmer unless you give them a clear shot at the WC. Edwin alone doesn't get them there.

[BTS]

They have some pitching on the cusp that should be ready in 2-3 years; Hoffman, Norris, Osuna, Sanchez. If two of those guys pan out they'll be sitting pretty good with young arms. They'd still need to completely fill the rest of the diamond though! If you can nab an elite bat I think the Jays have to jump at the chance.

 

I don't like counting my chickens before they hatch. Most likely scenario is that one of Hoffman, Norris, Osuna, and Sanchez becomes an average or better starter. And by that time one of Hutch/Stroman might have become a pumpkin. Projected rotations 2-3 years down the road never ever ever come close to working out. At least Hutch and Stroman are currently adequate starters in the majors.

[Boxcar]

For KC to move Zimmer on his own. There is absolutely no incentive to move Zimmer unless you give them a clear shot at the WC. Edwin doesn't get them there.

 

Then move on to the next deal.

 

That is absurd, IMO. Edwin would cost Zimmer+ not the other way around. Zimmer's already having shoulder troubles too, and I can't say I really understand the tunnel vision for him alone.

[DuckDuckGose]

I don't like counting my chickens before they hatch. Most likely scenario is that one of Hoffman, Norris, Osuna, and Sanchez becomes an average or better starter. And by that down one of Hutch/Stroman might have become a pumpkin. Projected rotations 2-3 years down the road never ever ever come close to working out. At least Hutch and Stroman are currently adequate starters in the majors.

 

Absolutely, you need to have 8-10 arms in the mix and supplement with FA. The Jays have Hutch, Stroman, Norris, Osuna, Nolin, Sanchez, and Hoffman. They'd need to add a few more arms and hope that they have good health.

[Jimcanuck]

$100M budget means a competitive team is only possible with half the team cost controlled

 

trade everyone not named Lawrie, Hutch, Stroman, and Edwin (good contract)

 

target position player targets that are ~2 years away.... consistent with when Jays many pitching prospects start yielding gems

[DuckDuckGose]

Then move on to the next deal.

 

That is absurd, IMO. Edwin would cost Zimmer+ not the other way around. Zimmer's already having shoulder troubles too, and I can't say I really understand the tunnel vision for him alone.

 

I don't know if it's tunnel vision, I'm open to suggestions. I just thought that the Royals might want to be buyers this year and I like Zimmer.

[BTS]

I don't know if it's tunnel vision, I'm open to suggestions. I just thought that the Royals might want to be buyers this year and I like Zimmer.

 

I'm with Boxy here. If the Royals are acquiring 2.5 cheap years of Edwin you're looking at something like Zimmer/Manaea + Dozier/Mondesi +. Edwin's value is astronomical.

[DuckDuckGose]

I'm with Boxy here. If the Royals are acquiring 2.5 cheap years of Edwin you're looking at something like Zimmer/Manaea + Dozier/Mondesi +. Edwin's value is astronomical.

 

I wouldn't touch Manaea, not a fan at all but besides the point. If you can get Zimmer + Mondesi for Edwin I think AA should make it happen. Obviously, Jose + other moves would need to happen if they were moving Edwin.

 

I actually don't know if AA could do anything to annoy me more than just moving Edwin and playing out the rest of the year.

[JaysFanToTheEnd]

Trade one of Edwin or Bautista to Seattle for a package of Taijuan, DJ/Paxton and a combination of

Diaz/Marlette/Sanchez/Wilson/Taylor/Goehara

 

At the trade deadline teams are going to be overpaying for starting pitching. We could get quite

the haul for Buehrle, Dickey and even Happ.

 

I'd put Hutchison out there to see what offers are there, obviously it would take alot.

 

Maybe both Buehrle (eat up some of his contract) and Happ to Pirates for a combination of Meadows/Glasnow/Hanson/Bell if Pirates are desperate.

 

Trade Reyes, though I don't know what teams would be interested in him and his contract. Maybe in the offseason if Dodgers can't sign Ramirez back.

 

Trade Cabrera, Rasmus, Lind, Cecil for ?

 

I'd actually like to keep Janssen but if a great offer is there...

 

If the offers are not out there. I'd wait till the offseason where Twins and Indians might make another run.

[Terminator]

I'm with Boxy here. If the Royals are acquiring 2.5 cheap years of Edwin you're looking at something like Zimmer/Manaea + Dozier/Mondesi +. Edwin's value is astronomical.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2014-trade-value-50-41/

 

Fangraphs had him pegged as having the 46th highest trade value in the league. Do you think that's too low?

 

Seems like it to me but the players around him seem to be ok comparisons?

[DH12]

Too early. In another month Jays will be completely out of it and will deal some of the overpaid guys like Reyes ect then