TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) Kiszla: Rockies' Troy Tulowitzki, Carlos Gonzalez feel OK in trade winds By Mark Kiszla, The Denver Post, POSTED: 07/04/2014 12:01:00 AM MDT http://i.gyazo.com/38c8eebfbf79d205eb71d2203b3eabf0.png Free falling from playoff contention toward rock bottom, if the Rockies make a big move in 2014 it will be to trade shortstop Troy Tulowitzki or outfielder Carlos Gonzalez. "If one of us gets traded, you never know what's going to happen. One of us might end up winning a World Series," Gonzalez told me as he sat in the Colorado clubhouse. Tulo and CarGo are the Rockies. But their team seems doomed to failure. It has left them frustra- ted and open to a change of uniform. The two Colorado stars, whose combined salaries total nearly $27 million this season, understand what immense value they could have on the trade market. In separate interviews Thursday, Tulo and CarGo talked frankly about the possibility of leaving Denver. "In Todd Helton, there's someone who's easy to look at his career here and how it played out. I have the utmost respect for Todd, but at the same time, I don't want to be the next in line as somebody who was here for a long time and didn't have a chance to win every single year," said Tulowitzki, reviewing the 17 years Helton spent as the face of a franchise that never won a division title. "He played in a couple postseason games and went to one World Series. But that's not me. I want to be somewhere where there's a chance to be in the playoffs every single year." By almost any metric, CarGo and Tulo rank among the most talented 25 players in the major leag- ues. Their highly competitive natures, however, have been severely tested by a sad stretch that saw Colorado lose 28 of 38 games, with a rash of bad-luck injuries and wretched starting pitching the ruination of a once-promising season. Combine his usual golden touch at shortstop with one of the NL's hottest bats, and Tulowitzki pro- files as the league's No. 1 candidate for most valuable player except for one glaring deficiency: His team stinks. "What people need to understand about me is: Winning's my main priority," Tulowitzki said. "I've been around the game a little bit now, and I understand those years where we did win, how much more fun I had. And then there are years such as this." Gonzalez, a former batting champ, has been limited to 52 games and a disappointing .255 batting average by a nagging knee injury and a finger growth that required surgery. "It has been terrible," said Gonzalez, who hopes to be back in the lineup before the all-star break. "I think the most important thing when I get back on the field is to just be me. Obviously, I was playing through a lot of pain and I wasn't playing the way I can play. ... I was playing bad." With summers of endless Colorado sunshine and a groovy party deck as distractions, the Rockies' ability to sell tickets seems remarkably bulletproof against chronic front-office mismanagement. http://i.gyazo.com/dbf51a0734be313a76cb8f61712f8c1c.png But Tulowitzki, whose nickname is chanted by the crowd when he steps to the plate, might be the one player Rockies owner Dick Monfort would have difficulty trading. "I don't see Tulo going away from here, unless he asks for it," Gonzalez said. "Tulo is a guy who got drafted here. He grew up in the farm system. He doesn't know anything except purple. ... It's easier for them to trade me than him." When St. Louis explored a trade for Tulowitzki late in 2013, with the names of Cardinals pitcher Shelby Miller and first baseman Matt Adams, among others, prominently bandied about in rumors, I am convinced Colorado's reluctance to pull the trigger had as much to do with a genuine affection for Tulo and fear of an adverse impact on marketing as it did with a baseball evaluation of the deal's pros and cons. The terms of Tulowitzki's contract give him broad power to veto any trade, allowing the 29-year-old shortstop significant control of where he plays the remainder of his career. Nevertheless, Tulo is un- certain what the future holds through the July 31 trade deadline and beyond. "If you hear, let me know," Tulowitzki said. Gonzalez was also unsure. "I think it's easier for me to deal with than Tulo, because Tulo has been here for his entire baseball life. I've already been traded twice," said Gonzalez, a member of the Arizona and Oakland organiza- tions before making his Rockies debut in 2009. "The first time I got traded, it was hard. The second time, it was even harder. But I've learned. Once, I thought it was a team didn't love the way I play- ed. Now, I know baseball is a business, and anything can happen from one day to another." Edited July 6, 2014 by TwistedLogic
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 We aren't contender team. Angels, Tigers, Nats, Giants, Dodgers
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Romero for Tulo Jays have Reyes, they need starters
flafson Verified Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Jays have Reyes, they need starters Let Reyes play 2B.
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 So, Tulo will somehow wind up with the Yankees, gotcha...
SAAviour Verified Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Sounds to me like he's trying to talk his way to NY to fill their whole at shortstop next year. Add scherzer and Lester and bam, our window just slammed shut.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Let Reyes play 2B. No. We don't need the best SS in the MLB, we have the most expensive.
magits Verified Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Kiszla: Rockies' Troy Tulowitzki, Carlos Gonzalez feel OK in trade winds By Mark Kiszla, The Denver Post, POSTED: 07/04/2014 12:01:00 AM MDT http://i.gyazo.com/38c8eebfbf79d205eb71d2203b3eabf0.png Free falling from playoff contention toward rock bottom, if the Rockies make a big move in 2014 it will be to trade shortstop Troy Tulowitzki or outfielder Carlos Gonzalez. "If one of us gets traded, you never know what's going to happen. One of us might end up winning a World Series," Gonzalez told me as he sat in the Colorado clubhouse. Tulo and CarGo are the Rockies. But their team seems doomed to failure. It has left them frustra- ted and open to a change of uniform. The two Colorado stars, whose combined salaries total nearly $27 million this season, understand what immense value they could have on the trade market. In separate interviews Thursday, Tulo and CarGo talked frankly about the possibility of leaving Denver. "In Todd Helton, there's someone who's easy to look at his career here and how it played out. I have the utmost respect for Todd, but at the same time, I don't want to be the next in line as somebody who was here for a long time and didn't have a chance to win every single year," said Tulowitzki, reviewing the 17 years Helton spent as the face of a franchise that never won a division title. "He played in a couple postseason games and went to one World Series. But that's not me. I want to be somewhere where there's a chance to be in the playoffs every single year." By almost any metric, CarGo and Tulo rank among the most talented 25 players in the major leag- ues. Their highly competitive natures, however, have been severely tested by a sad stretch that saw Colorado lose 28 of 38 games, with a rash of bad-luck injuries and wretched starting pitching the ruination of a once-promising season. Combine his usual golden touch at shortstop with one of the NL's hottest bats, and Tulowitzki pro- files as the league's No. 1 candidate for most valuable player except for one glaring deficiency: His team stinks. "What people need to understand about me is: Winning's my main priority," Tulowitzki said. "I've been around the game a little bit now, and I understand those years where we did win, how much more fun I had. And then there are years such as this." Gonzalez, a former batting champ, has been limited to 52 games and a disappointing .255 batting average by a nagging knee injury and a finger growth that required surgery. "It has been terrible," said Gonzalez, who hopes to be back in the lineup before the all-star break. "I think the most important thing when I get back on the field is to just be me. Obviously, I was playing through a lot of pain and I wasn't playing the way I can play. ... I was playing bad." With summers of endless Colorado sunshine and a groovy party deck as distractions, the Rockies' ability to sell tickets seems remarkably bulletproof against chronic front-office mismanagement. http://i.gyazo.com/dbf51a0734be313a76cb8f61712f8c1c.png But Tulowitzki, whose nickname is chanted by the crowd when he steps to the plate, might be the one player Rockies owner Dick Monfort would have difficulty trading. "I don't see Tulo going away from here, unless he asks for it," Gonzalez said. "Tulo is a guy who got drafted here. He grew up in the farm system. He doesn't know anything except purple. ... It's easier for them to trade me than him." When St. Louis explored a trade for Tulowitzki late in 2013, with the names of Cardinals pitcher Shelby Miller and first baseman Matt Adams, among others, prominently bandied about in rumors, I am convinced Colorado's reluctance to pull the trigger had as much to do with a genuine affection for Tulo and fear of an adverse impact on marketing as it did with a baseball evaluation of the deal's pros and cons. The terms of Tulowitzki's contract give him broad power to veto any trade, allowing the 29-year-old shortstop significant control of where he plays the remainder of his career. Nevertheless, Tulo is un- certain what the future holds through the July 31 trade deadline and beyond. "If you hear, let me know," Tulowitzki said. Gonzalez was also unsure. "I think it's easier for me to deal with than Tulo, because Tulo has been here for his entire baseball life. I've already been traded twice," said Gonzalez, a member of the Arizona and Oakland organiza- tions before making his Rockies debut in 2009. "The first time I got traded, it was hard. The second time, it was even harder. But I've learned. Once, I thought it was a team didn't love the way I play- ed. Now, I know baseball is a business, and anything can happen from one day to another." I'd give up Sanchez, Stroman, Norris, Pompey, Osuna +/- Hutchison for Tulo and Gonzalez. Get it done AA!
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Sounds to me like he's trying to talk his way to NY to fill their whole at shortstop next year. Add scherzer and Lester and bam, our window just slammed shut. Who does New York have to trade? Their farm system isn't that great to land a stud like Tulo.
SAAviour Verified Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Who does New York have to trade? Their farm system isn't that great to land a stud like Tulo. Good point.
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 I'd give up Sanchez, Stroman, Norris, Pompey, Osuna +/- Hutchison for Tulo and Gonzalez. Get it done AA! And I'm sure Rogers would be 100% on board to increase our salary by a pro-rated 36 million this year to accommodate them! Tulu isn't coming here guys. Not unless they find a way to get some idiot to take Reyes off our hands.
BigBounceyBlueBalls Old-Timey Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Some guy to be named later and some guy named " Big Bag Ofmoney! "
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Who does New York have to trade? Their farm system isn't that great to land a stud like Tulo. True. On the other hand, how many teams can afford his contract? Maybe the Red Sox get involved? Not sure, I'd have to take a look around the league to see which teams would both be interested and have what it would take to land him.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Who does New York have to trade? Their farm system isn't that great to land a stud like Tulo. 3way-deal Betances, Severino, Gary Sanchez, etc
leaffie Verified Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Does he have a no trade clause, because if he does, he wont be coming here
TheHurl Site Manager Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Does he have a no trade clause, because if he does, he wont be coming here Full no trade.
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted July 6, 2014 Posted July 6, 2014 Who does New York have to trade? Their farm system isn't that great to land a stud like Tulo. They'll find a way. They always do.
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted July 7, 2014 Posted July 7, 2014 Does he have a no trade clause, because if he does, he wont be coming here He does have a trade clause and he did say he wants to play for a perennial contender.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted July 7, 2014 Posted July 7, 2014 So, Tulo will somehow wind up with the Yankees, gotcha... Oh please no
leaffie Verified Member Posted July 7, 2014 Posted July 7, 2014 Well unfortunately that lets the Jays out. I think a lot of people forget how much more difficult it is for the Jays to get players to come here. I heard Buerhle being interviewed about him coming to T.O. And he says he gets asked a Lot by players what it is like playing in Canada. When he was asked himself, he was what I call lukewarm. And he is still talking about his pitbull. He said that a lot of players think it is too much hassle for their families. And this was just a couple of weeks ago.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted July 7, 2014 Posted July 7, 2014 Romero for Tulo Would be like a "backsies" on the draft for Ricciardi. LOL
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