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I don't know why we got rid of the sub-forum. There's nowhere to archive all this amateur prospect info now, and all the stuff we posted prior to today is gone. It was a nice way to keep everything organized, unlike the old board where threads just floated around.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/adrian-rondon-next-hanley-ramirez/

 

Is Adrian Rondon The Next Hanley Ramirez?

 

Starlin Castro was a $50,000 sign out of the Dominican Republic, but the Cubs quickly knew what they had.

 

Castro wasn’t much of a runner when he signed as a 16-year-old in 2006, nor did he have any flashy tools. He did have a sweet swing though, and he could hit in games. As he gained strength, his tools improved, but it was his bat that helped him zip through the minors. By the time Castro was 19, he was a .300 hitter in the high Class A Florida State League. He finished that year in Double-A, then made his major league debut the following season as a 20-year-old.

 

Adrian Rondon isn’t going to cost $50,000. Rondon is 15, one of the youngest players eligible for the 2014-15 signing period that begins on July 2. In the eyes of many scouts, he’s also the best prospect on the international amateur market. There are some scouts who think Rondon, a 6-foot-2, 180-pound Dominican shortstop, could mirror Castro’s rapid rise and have that type of bat.

 

Then there are others who see even more potential.

 

“His upside,” said one scout, “is Hanley Ramirez.”

 

Every scout and every organization emphasizes different things. Some gravitate toward premium athletes, others target power hitters, while some prefer the more polished players who perform in games and show a high baseball IQ. It’s rare to find a player like Rondon, who projects as a shortstop and is arguably the top hitter available with projectable power. That’s why he’s expected to command a bonus in the neighborhood of $3 million, with the Rays looking like the strong favorites to land him once he turns 16 on July 7.

 

“There’s contact ability, he has an easy swing and he generates lift,” said the scout. “I think he’s going to hit a lot of doubles with his share of home runs. He’s still a baby, so it’s hard. If you dream on him, he could be a Hanley Ramirez-type of offensive shortstop.”

 

Rondon hails from San Pedro de Macoris, where he has trained with Astin Jacobo since he was 12. Jacobo’s program plays games six days a week, with Sundays for rest. That has led to hundreds of game at-bats every year for Rondon, and while the caliber of the competition he faces varies, his game experience is evident in his polish, particularly at the plate.

 

Rondon has a compact righthanded stroke, good bat speed and a sound hitting approach for his age. He has excellent bat control that enables him to make consistent contact in games and use the whole field. He hasn’t seen many good breaking balls yet, so he’s still learning to lay off quality breaking stuff off the plate, but he’s a patient hitter who can work the count, with quick hands that enable him to catch up to premium velocity.

 

“For me, the best player was Rondon,” said one international scouting director. “It’s a combination of overall bat, the combination of hit and power. I very rarely saw him off balance or not squaring balls up. I rarely saw him not be a total star, and this is when he was really young against tough pitching. To me, he had the best overall bat.”

 

Go to a nearby field in San Pedro de Macoris and you can find Dermis Garcia, a 16-year-old shortstop from San Pedro de Macoris who can hit balls farther than anyone in the class. Garcia projects as either a third baseman or a corner outfielder, and while he shows electric power in batting practice and has a stronger arm than Rondon, scouts consistently say Rondon is the superior player when it’s game time. With Rondon’s size, strength projection and bat speed, the arrows all point to his doubles and occasional home run power increasing with physical maturity.

 

“For all the rumors about what he’s supposed to get, he certainly fulfilled it, size-wise and with his ability to swing the bat, for sure,” said another international director. “For me, it was his approach at the plate and the way he was able to handle himself with the bat, both hitting and with power projection. Then he also showed good arm strength at shortstop, enough to be able to play that position.”

 

Rondon isn’t flashy, but the rest of his tools grade out either average or better right now, or they project to be in the future. He’s a 50-55 runner and earns the same grades on his arm strength. Given that he’s 15, both tools have a chance to tick up, though that isn’t a given. If there’s a question mark about Rondon’s skill set, it’s in the field. It’s not that scouts think he can’t play shortstop—he’s not a Miguel Sano body type or a butcher at the position—he just isn’t someone scouts are immediately drawn to at the position the way they were with Rangers Venezuelan shortstop Luis Sardinas or other defensive-oriented players. But many scouts believe Rondon is a true shortstop with good hands, instincts and composure over flashiness. Some think he can be an impact player on both sides of the ball as his footwork improves.

 

Perhaps the biggest question scouts have about Rondon is what he’s been up to lately. Rondon didn’t go to Major League Baseball’s international showcase in his hometown of San Pedro de Macoris in January. Rondon has played in the International Prospect League, but for many scouts it’s been several months since they’ve seen him. International scouting has always been an aggressive business, and for scouts who got in early and watched him playing games nearly every day at Jacobo’s field and elsewhere, Rondon’s track record of consistent hitting while playing a premium position has vaulted him to the top of their lists.

 

“I spent two years tracking him,” said another scout, dismayed his team won’t be signing Rondon. “I saw him hitting every day. For me, it’s the No. 1 bat.”

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I don't know why we got rid of the sub-forum. There's nowhere to archive all this amateur prospect info now, and all the stuff we posted prior to today is gone. It was a nice way to keep everything organized, unlike the old board where threads just floated around.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/adrian-rondon-next-hanley-ramirez/

 

Adrian Rondon is really really good, at least in the showcase. He and my younger brother's nephew Yency Pena are great.

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I don't know why we got rid of the sub-forum. There's nowhere to archive all this amateur prospect info now, and all the stuff we posted prior to today is gone. It was a nice way to keep everything organized, unlike the old board where threads just floated around.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/adrian-rondon-next-hanley-ramirez/

 

Because it was a pain to go to, so most people wouldn't even bother.

 

It was great to see tge milb gdt today, right there in front of my face. If this board really wants new members, that's a good way of pulling some in. Every "fan" thinks they know everything about the MLB team, but when they start to realize some people on here know all there is to know about soooooo many other players in the org, they start to feel like they are learning some things. Plus it just adds a bit of hopes and dreams for if the team does go through a tough time and keeps a few extra people interested and coming to the site.

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Was it a problem of people being too lazy to take 1 second to click on the minors subforum or was it that many don't care to contribute to the prospects page or don't have time to follow the minors too? I never posted on that sub forum but I did check it out once a week to see what was new and it was nice to have all the minors/prospects related threads in a row.

 

This is fine though.

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Because it was a pain to go to, so most people wouldn't even bother.

 

It was great to see tge milb gdt today, right there in front of my face. If this board really wants new members, that's a good way of pulling some in. Every "fan" thinks they know everything about the MLB team, but when they start to realize some people on here know all there is to know about soooooo many other players in the org, they start to feel like they are learning some things. Plus it just adds a bit of hopes and dreams for if the team does go through a tough time and keeps a few extra people interested and coming to the site.

 

No offense but seriously? One second to click of your mouse to enter the sub forum is a pain?:rolleyes:

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No offense but seriously? One second to click of your mouse to enter the sub forum is a pain?:rolleyes:

 

It had literally no traffic. Threads that might otherwise have gotten hundreds of clicks and several posts went unnoticed. While things may be more cluttered on the main forum, more people will participate in these type of threads.

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Was it a problem of people being too lazy to take 1 second to click on the minors subforum or was it that many don't care to contribute to the prospects page or don't have time to follow the minors too? I never posted on that sub forum but I did check it out once a week to see what was new and it was nice to have all the minors/prospects related threads in a row.

 

This is fine though.

 

It was the click. Hardly no posters went into that sub forum.

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It had literally no traffic. Threads that might otherwise have gotten hundreds of clicks and several posts went unnoticed. While things may be more cluttered on the main forum, more people will participate in these type of threads.

 

That remains to be seen. If all of a sudden we got a wave of participation in this thread unlike we've seen before I'd be very surprised. I expect rather that it will be the same exact posters posting in this thread that always do. If neither King, GD, Jonn, Angelo, or I posted in this thread for two days it would disappear off the first page rather quickly. In any case, I have no say in the matter, so I'll just roll with the punches as I always do.

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It sounds like the Yankees are going to go nuts in the international free agent market this year, signing everyone they can and not caring about the tax hit they'll take. They only have a $2 million cap but could spend $15+ million with all the bonuses and tax hits.

 

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2014/5/7/5689514/international-free-agents-yankees-dermis-garcia-nelson-gomez

 

Old news probably, but new sub-forum.

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No offense but seriously? One second to click of your mouse to enter the sub forum is a pain?:rolleyes:

 

Yep. Need to hit people right in the face with things. Anyway I am not in Canada. It is at least two clicks and that can take too long for me to bother.

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f***ing Devil Empire attack

 

New York is believed to have offered Garcia $3 million. Their spending "limit" for this summer's international free agency is about $2 million total. According to McDaniel, the Yankees could end up spending $15 million or more.

 

Garcia, a third baseman from the Domincan Repbulic, will become eligible to sign a major league deal on July 2 thanks to the rules in place that state players born outside the United States are first able to sign a contract on that date after their 16th birthday -- if that makes any sense. If not, read McDaniel's work at ScoutingBaseball.com.

 

New York is also expected to sign Dominican third baseman Nelson Gomez for $2.8 million, Dominican center fielder Juan De Leon for $2 million, Venezuelan outfielder Jonathan Amundaray for $1.5 million, Dominican shortstop Chris Torres for $1 million, and finally, Venezuelan shortstop Diego Castillo for $900,000.

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That remains to be seen. If all of a sudden we got a wave of participation in this thread unlike we've seen before I'd be very surprised. I expect rather that it will be the same exact posters posting in this thread that always do. If neither King, GD, Jonn, Angelo, or I posted in this thread for two days it would disappear off the first page rather quickly. In any case, I have no say in the matter, so I'll just roll with the punches as I always do.

 

Maybe for a thread like this, but people love to check out the milb game threads. Around the time of July 2nd, people will be all over this. If it was in the subform they wouldn't even notice it hardly. I'm one of the guys who would actually check out the minor league thread from time to time. But I remember there were positives from the old board and one was how much more discussion there was about the minor leagues.

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I spoke today with Adrian Rondon's trainer (Jairo Beras trainer) and he told me that Rondon has an agreement with the Rays 2-3M; also he told me that the Yanks are behind every elite guy and he already signed Garcia for 3,5M.

 

I asked if the Jays would sign someone from his academy and he said "This was a bad year for us, we haven't as much talent as the previous years"

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I spoke today with Adrian Rondon's trainer (Jairo Beras trainer) and he told me that Rondon has an agreement with the Rays 2-3M; also he told me that the Yanks are behind every elite guy and he already signed Garcia for 3,5M.

 

I asked if the Jays would sign someone from his academy and he said "This was a bad year for us, we haven't as much talent as the previous years"

 

I read it wrong and thought you said that Rondon had an agreement with the Jays lol

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Conparing a 15-year old to Hanley Ramirez is f***ing insane. Latin free agency is such a crap shoot. You never know what your going to get and it might take 5-8 years to get any results.

 

its called projecting, its not a science but the player's tools will tell you what you wanna hear and what he turns into skills is what you'll get

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Conparing a 15-year old to Hanley Ramirez is f***ing insane. Latin free agency is such a crap shoot. You never know what your going to get and it might take 5-8 years to get any results.

 

Hanley 16 years old = SuperStar at 23 years old

Hanley 16 years old = Adrian Rondon 16 years old

Adrian Rondon 16 years old = SuperStar at 23 years old

 

Absolute Value or Rule of three?

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http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/july-2-prediction-board-updated-top-10-projected-bonuses-signing-teams/

 

July 2 Prediction Board 2.0: Top 10 Projected Bonuses And Signing Teams

 

With July 2 approaching and new information, it’s time to update our projections for which players will land the top 10 bonuses this year and where we expect them to sign.

 

The biggest change from our last update involves Dominican shortstop Christopher Torres, who no longer appears to be in line for one of the top 10 bonuses. While the Yankees were long seen as the favorites to sign him, now it’s not as clear where he might end up, although some sources believe the Yankees will still sign him. The biggest wild card of the group is Dominican righthander Huascar Ynoa, who’s stock has been up and down, with a recent one-inning performance against the Canadian junior national team in which he allowed four runs and three walks. He might wait until after July 2 to sign. Players in the Nos. 8-10 spots on the list all project to sign for around the same amount, as do a few players who didn’t quite crack the list, including Dominican outfielder Ronny Rafael and Dominican righthander Christopher Acosta.

 

Remember: These are not talent rankings. Those will come out in the next couple of weeks. These rankings are where we expect the top bonuses to line up and where we think those players to sign when the 2014-15 international signing period opens.

 

1. Gilbert Lara, ss, Dominican Republic

 

Lara has a chance to play third base, but most scouts peg him as a future left fielder or first baseman, so he’s going to produce at a level at the plate to have value. Several scouts see him as one of the top offensive weapons for this year, as he takes advantage of being bigger and stronger than the rest of the class with plus raw power that’s usable in game situations, even if he does swing and miss frequently. Sources expect Lara, who trains with Enrique Soto and Jaime Ramos, to sign for more than $3 million.

 

Prediction: BREWERS

 

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2. Dermis Garcia, ss, Dominican Republic

 

Garcia has 70 raw power on the 20-80 scale, and unlike Lara, Garcia generates his juice without a max-effort swing. His arm strength is another plus tool, though Garcia projects as a third baseman in a best-case scenario and might get so big that he will end up in right field. Several scouts wonder whether he will hit enough in games to get to his power with enough frequency, but it’s a carrying tool if he can improve his pitch recognition. Garcia’s bonus will likely be around $3 million.

 

Prediction: YANKEES

 

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3. Adrian Rondon, ss, Dominican Republic

 

A lot of scouts believe Rondon is the best player on the international amateur market. He’s a smart, game-oriented player who excels at the plate with a quick bat and burgeoning power, and defensively he has a good chance to remain a shortstop. Sources believe the Rays are so convicted in Rondon’s ability that they’re willing to go well over their bonus pool mainly just to sign him, with a price tag that should be around $3 million once he’s eligible to sign on July 7.

 

Prediction: RAYS

 

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4. Nelson Gomez, 3b, Dominican Republic

 

Gomez can hit towering blasts in batting practice, though the rest of his game generates mixed reviews. Scouts who have seen him at his best say he recognizes pitches and hits in games, along the lines of Dominican third baseman Luis Encarnacion, who signed with the Phillies last year. Others came away with more question marks on his game hitting. Gomez has an above-average arm and will have to keep his conditioning under control to take advantage of it at third base and avoid a move to first base. He’s expected to get more than $2 million.

 

Prediction: YANKEES

 

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5. Juan De Leon, of, Dominican Republic

 

There are some scouts who think De Leon could end up the best player on the market, with the potential for five average or better tools and an aggressive approach to the game. He has lightning bat speed, the potential to grow into plus power down the road, and several scouts believe he’s one of the better hitters in the class. He projects better in right field than center, but he’s a good athlete and a solid runner with a strong arm. That package should add up to a payday around $2 million.

 

Prediction: YANKEES

 

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6. Brayan Hernandez, of, Venezuela

 

Hernandez went 3-for-5 with a home run when he went to the MLB showcase in the Dominican Republic in January, and he did it all while hitting righthanded only, even though he’s a switch-hitter. Hernandez dropped the lefty swing temporarily because he was nursing a shoulder injury at the time, but he’s back to hitting from both sides and stands out as the top Venezuelan prospect because of his bat, athleticism and potential to play in the middle of the field. He’s an above-average runner who glides in center field, and aside from arm strength, he’s one of the more well-rounded players available. That should drive him into the $2 million territory.

 

Prediction: MARINERS

 

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7. Anderson Espinoza, rhp, Venezuela

 

Teams have a hard time sticking their necks out for righthanders under 6 feet, especially 16-year-olds on the international market. The Rangers did it last year for Dominican righthander Marcos Diplan with a $1.3 million bonus, a mark that Espinoza will almost certainly eclipse. Like the Rangers, the Red Sox have enjoyed recent success in the international market and seem like a team that wouldn’t be deterred by Espinoza’s size and cost, especially given their plans to exceed their bonus pool this year. Espinoza probably won’t pass the $2 million mark, but he could get close.

 

Prediction: RED SOX

 

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8. Juan Meza, rhp, Venezuela

 

While Espinoza has the best arm among 16-year-old Latin American pitchers, Meza fits the more prototypical build that scouts tend to seek. He’s 6-foot-3, 190 pounds with a sound delivery and loose arm action, and with some scouts seeing the potential for three average to above-average offerings (though his curveball may need the most work), he figures to be the second-highest paid pitcher in Venezuela this year behind Espinoza.

 

Prediction: BLUE JAYS

 

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9. Wilkerman Garcia, ss, Venezuela

A switch-hitter who’s better from the left side, Garcia is one of the better hitters in Latin America. He has a sound stroke, a good approach for his age and hits line drives to all fields with projectable power. Where he ends up playing in the field draws a range of opinions among scouts—some of whom even want to see him behind the plate—but he’s an offensive-minded player who will end up somewhere in the infield. He trains with Carlos Guillen, who also has Venezuelan shortstop Kenny Hernandez, and the Mets look like they could land both of them.

 

Prediction: METS

 

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10. Jonathan Amundaray, of, Venezuela

When Amundaray walks on to the field for the first time in a professional uniform, the player development staff of whatever team signs him won’t have any questions about what initially drew their scouts to him. He’s a physical beast at 6-foot-2, 175 pounds, with wide shoulders and good athleticism. He has a quick bat and shows plus raw power, with his in-game skills still catching up to the raw tools.

 

Prediction: YANKEES

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One day and off the first page already. Love all the extra participation the thread's getting in the main forum. lol

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/july-2-notebook-garcia-yankees-tigers-white-sox-emery-pena/

 

July 2 Notebook: Garcia, Yankees, Tigers, White Sox, Alfaro, Emery, Pena

 

Carlos Guillen’s academy has two talented lefthanded-hitting shortstops this year: Wilkerman Garcia and Kenny Hernandez. They’re both smart, game-oriented players who have earned praise from scouts for their offensive potential, with questions about their best fit on defense. And sources believe both are likely to end up in New York. While Hernandez has been linked to the Mets, my previous reports that the Mets were also the favorites for Garcia were incorrect. Several sources in Venezuela have said the Yankees are Garcia’s most likely destination, which isn’t a change in Garcia’s situation, but a mistake in my own reporting. In an international arena where misinformation is plentiful, we strive to be a resource for accurate and fair information. In this case I got my wires crossed, and I apologize for contributing to the misinformation. We’ll have more reports about Garcia as July 2 approaches, but this story has more in-depth information about Garcia’s skill set.

 

The Tigers struck quickly in 2012 to sign Dominican shortstop Domingo Leyba for $400,000 on July 2. After Leyba dominated the Dominican Summer League last year, the Tigers skipped him over the Rookie-level Gulf Coast League this year and have him playing second base in short-season Connecticut. Leyba had trained with Christian Batista, who goes by the nickname “Niche,” and sources say the Tigers have their sights set on another advanced hitter from Niche’s program this year, 16-year-old outfielder Julio Martinez. At 6-foot-2, 185 pounds, Martinez is a big-bodied corner outfielder who stands out for his righthanded bat. While he’s been under the radar recently, those who have seen Martinez say he makes consistent contact in games, staying short to the ball with a good approach for his age, along with projectable power and the ability to hit to all fields. He’s an offensive-oriented player with below-average speed, with a mid six-figure bonus likely heading his way. He has played in both the Dominican Prospect League and the International Prospect League.

 

Brian Emery is from Colombia but has been training in the Dominican Republic with Ivan Noboa, who got Nomar Mazara an international amateur record $4.95 million bonus in 2011 despite a swing filled with holes and limited athleticism. Scouts say Noboa still runs a highly controlled environment, shielding his players from game at-bats as the rest of the industry moves in the opposite direction. Scouts say that makes for a tricky evaluation of Emery, who has an intriguing tool set but has been hampered by his lack of game experience. Emery has showcased at shortstop, third base and the outfield, with scouts saying he doesn’t have the ability to play shortstop and most likely ends up in right field. Like many of Noboa’s top players, Emery stands out for his above-average raw power and projectable 6-foot-3 frame. He’s a switch-hitter, although scouts say he’s more advanced as a lefty and some think he may end up dropping his righthanded stroke. He can put a charge in the ball when he’s able to square it up, but contact frequency is something that’s been a question for some scouts, even those who do like his lefthanded swing.

 

Another Colombian player who’s expected to generate a healthy bonus is 16-year-old Jhoandro Alfaro, the younger brother of Rangers catcher Jorge Alfaro. While Jorge trained in Bani in the Dominican Republic with Enrique Soto just before he signed, Jhoandro is also training in Bani but has stayed away from Soto, going with Rafael Montero (known as “Spilman”) instead. When the switch-hitting Alfaro went in January to the MLB showcase and the DPL, he didn’t stand out much at the plate but he showed that arm strength runs in the family.

 

His arm earns plus or better grades from scouts with good accuracy for his age. Alfaro is a solid catch-and-throw guy with quick actions behind the plate. He’s more advanced defensively than his brother was when he signed, though he doesn’t have Jorge’s athleticism, raw power or unusual speed for a catcher. He’s grown an inch or two recently to 6-foot-1, 180 pounds and has earned praise for transforming his conditioning since the beginning of the year. The White Sox are known to have heavy interest in Alfaro, who could end up among the top-paid catchers.

 

Bryan Pena made a loud impression at the DPL in January, homering twice in one game in front of more than 100 scouts, including several international directors and other key decision-makers. Pena, 16, is a lefthanded outfielder/first baseman with a big frame (6-foot-4, 195 pounds) and impressive raw power. He can take the ball over the right-center field fence with ease in batting practice with a pull approach, though his bat has run hot and cold in game situations. With his size and lack of foot speed or arm strength, he’s probably destined for first base. Pena trains with Josue Mateo and is likely looking at a bonus in the mid six-figure territory.

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I spoke today with Adrian Rondon's trainer (Jairo Beras trainer) and he told me that Rondon has an agreement with the Rays 2-3M; also he told me that the Yanks are behind every elite guy and he already signed Garcia for 3,5M.

 

I asked if the Jays would sign someone from his academy and he said "This was a bad year for us, we haven't as much talent as the previous years"

 

How much does the academy take out of player's initial bonus?

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How much does the academy take out of player's initial bonus?

 

Legally, about 17% but.......................there are money under the table.

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Legally, about 17% but.......................there are money under the table.

 

In the DR I'm kinda shocked any money goes above the table.

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MLB.com: Top-30 Int-FA

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/index.jsp?tcid=mm_mlb_players#list=int

 

Juan Meza

Scouting Grades: Fastball: 60 | Curve: 55 | Change: 55 | Control: 60 | Slider: 55

Meza and Anderson Espinoza, who is also from Venezuela, represent the top pitching prospects from the South American country and are among the most coveted hurlers on the international market.

 

Scouts like Meza's athleticism and his lean muscular build. He's expected to fill out his six-foot frame as he matures. His fastball already hovers in the 88 to 93 mph range, and it's expected to get better. Meza also has an effective changeup and throws a decent slider. There are a few questions about his curveball and his overall command, but there are scouts that believe he is only a tick behind Christopher Acosta in overall ability. There's also the belief Meza could end up being the best pitcher in the class in a few years.

 

Meza is from Barinas, Venezuela, and his trainer is former Major League infielder Carlos Guillen at the Carlos Guillen Academy. Meza was among the group of Venezuelan teenage prospects to train with Guillen in Miami.

Toronto is the favorite to sign the pitcher.

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