Rage/Vent Thread

[Convo]

What do you mean by 'struggling' though? It's not like the players you mentioned have experienced a change in talent level. They can be expected to perform as well tomorrow as at any other point in this season. Nothing that's happened in the arbitrary (and small) samples you've provided means anything. Players are who they are.

 

Once you realize this and stop getting hyped up over the stats the media feeds you, it makes the game a lot more enjoyable.

 

I'm not looking at any media stats.

 

Definition of struggling is basically a player under performing for an extended period of time.

 

I guess you think this is all "bad luck" (BABIP, etc.) and none of these players are actually struggling?

[SAAviour]

Juan Francisco sucks, and this team is hard to watch again. That is all.

[Convo]

The fact that you keep defending your idiocy is only going to fuel them, give up while you're really far behind.

 

I'm only defending because I never did anything wrong. I pointed out a pattern of poor performance for each player, seems note-worthy enough.

 

I'm surprised this board is so much into gangbanging that not one person will see that and say something.

[theblujay]

I just read through 3 pages of the dumbest argument ever. Who gives a f*** what stats he posted and what format it is?? The point is clear: a lot of our batters haven't been hitting well for a few weeks.

 

If the arbitrary stat lines hurt you intelligence then leave the "vent thread" and go discuss how cool calm and collected you are with our friend Olerud

[NorthOf49]

I'm not looking at any media stats.

 

Definition of struggling is basically a player under performing for an extended period of time.

 

I guess you think this is all "bad luck" (BABIP, etc.) and none of these players are actually struggling?

I don't believe in hot/cold streaks, so yes. The team not scoring is a byproduct of variance, it doesn't signal anything being wrong with the hitters. Every player plays to their true talent level every night, it just takes a while for the stats to average out to that talent level. The BABIP, HR/FB and event sequencing dragons have depressed the team's runs.

[Convo]

I just read through 3 pages of the dumbest argument ever. Who gives a f*** what stats he posted and what format it is?? The point is clear: a lot of our batters haven't been hitting well for a few weeks.

 

If the arbitrary stat lines hurt you intelligence then leave the "vent thread" and go discuss how cool calm and collected you are with our friend Olerud

 

Totally!

[GD]

I just read through 3 pages of the dumbest argument ever. Who gives a f*** what stats he posted and what format it is?? The point is clear: a lot of our batters haven't been hitting well for a few weeks.

 

If the arbitrary stat lines hurt you intelligence then leave the "vent thread" and go discuss how cool calm and collected you are with our friend Olerud

 

http://cdn.nexternal.com/rocksolid/images/ReadingComp4thGrade1.jpg

[GD]

Wouldn't being "hot" or "cold" be a byproduct of variance?

 

Yes, which is why he doesn't really believe in those streaks. They're just variance, exactly like you said. Well, that's what North believes. I have theories for both sides of the argument, myself. It's really intriguing.

[NorthOf49]

Wouldn't being "hot" or "cold" be a byproduct of variance?

Only in hindsight, which defeats the idea of a player being 'hot' or 'cold.'

 

You can't say "this player has hit home runs in each of the past four home runs. Therefore he is more likely than usual to hit a home run here."

[Convo]

I don't believe in hot/cold streaks, so yes. The team not scoring is a byproduct of variance, it doesn't signal anything being wrong with the hitters. Every player plays to their true talent level every night, it just takes a while for the stats to average out to that talent level. The BABIP, HR/FB and event sequencing dragons have depressed the team's runs.

 

For the most part I agree, except when there are patterns of extremes... I believe these extremes lead to either mental confidence or lack thereof, respectively. And this can lead to "hot or cold" streaks.

 

Edwin is the perfect example, he's done it on multiple occasions. Basically no HR in long spans and then hordes of HRs in short spans. And of course HRs are also not subject to BABIP so the point is reinforced.

[Convo]

http://cdn.nexternal.com/rocksolid/images/ReadingComp4thGrade1.jpg

 

You're being an *******. And I don't think that's what this thread was meant for.

[Convo]

http://i.imgur.com/25I89pR.png

 

Edwin Encarnacion, in the month of May.

 

Wait... what's your point?

[NorthOf49]

For the most part I agree, except when there are patterns of extremes... I believe these extremes lead to either mental confidence or lack thereof, respectively and this can lead to "hot or cold" streaks.

 

Edwin is the perfect example, he's done it on multiple occasions. Basically no HR in long spans and then hordes of HRs in short spans. And of course HRs are also not subject to BABIP so the point is reinforced.

They're subject to HR/FB though, which has a similar effect. Edwin will post a massive (and unsustainable) HR/FB when he goes on a streak. At the same time, he'll also be getting an unusual amount of good pitches to hit and will get lucky with his GB/FB distribution.

[GD]

You're being an *******. And I don't think that's what this thread was meant for.

 

Wow, that's a real shame. Too bad I don't really care what you think.

 

Not my fault he doesn't understand what point I'm making. Same goes for you. Literally everyone else saw the point I was making and you just tried to distract from it. I don't really give a s*** if you think I'm being an *******, I'm contributing to discussion and making a very valid and absolutely correct point that the majority of posters are backing up.

[Convo]

Wow, that's a real shame. Too bad I don't really care what you think.

 

Not my fault he doesn't understand what point I'm making. Same goes for you. Literally everyone else saw the point I was making and you just tried to distract from it. I don't really give a s*** if you think I'm being an *******, I'm contributing to discussion and making a very valid and absolutely correct point that the majority of posters are backing up.

 

They (being the two or three guys) back you up because you're a bunch of message board gangbangers.

[GD]

They (being the two or three guys) back you up because you're a bunch of message board gangbangers.

 

Or because I'm right, but y'know, keep living in your own little world.

[Convo]

They're subject to HR/FB though, which has a similar effect. Edwin will post a massive (and unsustainable) HR/FB when he goes on a streak. At the same time, he'll also be getting an unusual amount of good pitches to hit and will get lucky with his GB/FB distribution.

 

Edwin, 2011.. does not hit a HR until June 10 (47 games)... goes on to hit 17 in the next 97 games. Unfortunately your argument just can't be black or white, even if it's "mostly" valid.

[NorthOf49]

They (being the two or three guys) back you up because you're a bunch of message board gangbangers.

There are just a few types of stats that get on my nerves. Sorry.

 

Feel free to rage about other stuff!

[Molitor]

I don't see any issue with Convo here. It's a vent thread. He pointed out that a bunch of players have been statistically sucking for a little while which is true. Those who are acting so vehemently opposed to what was a pretty harmless original post are being pretty big weenies.

 

And who's to say they actually have been playing to their true talent level anyway? Maybe some of them got a little cocky and have been staying out for another beer, or otherwise starting to take things for granted. It probably is just random variance over a small sample, but I don't see how that is unquestionable written gospel.

 

(Insert tired and clichéd "you can't read!" internet response now)

[NorthOf49]

Edwin, 2011.. does not hit a HR until June 10 (47 games)... goes on to hit 17 in the next 97 games. Unfortunately your argument just can't be black or white, even if it's "mostly" valid.

I'm very willing to accept changes to a player's true talent level, which can gray the argument. Some players do change and our expectations of them should be altered.

 

That HR pattern isn't out of the ordinary for a random process though. You'd be surprised by how varied events can be distributed! You can get some dice/cards/etc. out and simulate a player's season with a true talent level in mind -- the results will feature long hot and cold stretches despite no human element.

[Anemic0ffense]

f*** Tanaka

 

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[Olerud363]

I just read through 3 pages of the dumbest argument ever. Who gives a f*** what stats he posted and what format it is?? The point is clear: a lot of our batters haven't been hitting well for a few weeks.

 

If the arbitrary stat lines hurt you intelligence then leave the "vent thread" and go discuss how cool calm and collected you are with our friend Olerud

 

?? How did I get involved in this??

[Olerud363]

I don't believe in hot/cold streaks, so yes. The team not scoring is a byproduct of variance, it doesn't signal anything being wrong with the hitters. Every player plays to their true talent level every night, it just takes a while for the stats to average out to that talent level. The BABIP, HR/FB and event sequencing dragons have depressed the team's runs.

 

Take a guys career stats -- add in an age factor. That's what he'll likely do tomorrow.

 

This is an .500 team in my humble opinion. Depending on whether they are hot or cold people seem to think it is a .650 team or a .350 team. It's a .500 team. They will likely win 85 now given the start they've had. They will hit near their career averages. They will get injured if they are injury prone.

 

What's so hard about this?

[theblujay]

Wow, that's a real shame. Too bad I don't really care what you think.

 

Not my fault he doesn't understand what point I'm making. Same goes for you. Literally everyone else saw the point I was making and you just tried to distract from it. I don't really give a s*** if you think I'm being an *******, I'm contributing to discussion and making a very valid and absolutely correct point that the majority of posters are backing up.

 

I know exactly what point you were making. I don't care if his start points are arbitrary and he wasn't using wRC+. I still got the point of his post, and it was a valid one for this thread.

 

You were being an ******* for extending that argument for three pages because your on some sort of SABR power trip that soaks into every thread. (Remember what thread this is?)

 

The other argument (variance) I don't give a s*** about, who cares what you call it, we all know what it is.

[Smedley Butler]

I'm very willing to accept changes to a player's true talent level

 

Do you see the problem here?

 

Holy self-negating cop-out logic-failure.

 

How "true" is that talent in this case? Jesus.

[Smedley Butler]

I know exactly what point you were making. I don't care if his start points are arbitrary and he wasn't using wRC+. I still got the point of his post, and it was a valid one for this thread.

 

You were being an ******* for extending that argument for three pages because your on some sort of SABR power trip that soaks into every thread. (Remember what thread this is?)

 

The other argument (variance) I don't give a s*** about, who cares what you call it, we all know what it is.

 

Dude he's like 12. Come on now. What do you expect? Being an obnoxious tryhard is par for the course at that age.

[GD]

I know exactly what point you were making. I don't care if his start points are arbitrary and he wasn't using wRC+. I still got the point of his post, and it was a valid one for this thread.

 

You were being an ******* for extending that argument for three pages because your on some sort of SABR power trip that soaks into every thread. (Remember what thread this is?)

 

The other argument (variance) I don't give a s*** about, who cares what you call it, we all know what it is.

 

If you understood what the arguments were, then why did you post something entirely different from what they actually were?

[Olerud363]

If you understood what the arguments were, then why did you post something entirely different from what they actually were?

 

One thing in Convo's defense is that he did not use arbitrary end points.

 

So his crime wasn't as terrible as you are making it out GD.

 

But there was no reason to use arbitrary start points. So it was still a crime. It's like manslaughter... not 1st degree murder.

[Olerud363]

And it is the Rage thread.

 

I was driving on I-87 last night. Had the pleasure of hearing John Sterling.

 

Yankees win! Theeeeeee Yankees win!"

 

I can sense they think the Blue Jays are finished and the Yankees will have a 7 game lead by the all star break.

 

It's over folks. It was over when Reyes through that ball in the dirt. Hard to rage, had my rage that night.

 

It's a world of non-linearities, butterfly effects, and weird psychic effects that we barely understand. One event can change the world and send it on a completely different course. The Reyes throw in the dirt was the 2014 blue jays Sept 11 2001.

 

We would of won otherwise but Reyes ended it.

[GD]

One thing in Convo's defense is that he did not use arbitrary end points.

 

So his crime wasn't as terrible as you are making it out GD.

 

But there was no reason to use arbitrary start points. So it was still a crime. It's like manslaughter... not 1st degree murder.

 

Yes, you are right, Olerud, I didn't make myself as clear as I could have. In the spirit of the thread I was just generally venting about start/end points without specifically venting at his post. When I did specifically vent at his post, I tried to be clear that his usage of very arbitrary start points was the thing that was making me uncalm. I should go to the keep calm thread to read the gospel of JSFIP.