What to do with Gose when Colby returns?

[BarkatToronto]

Gibby was on Jeff Blair show just now

 

Colby started taking BP and running the bases today

 

MIGHT start rehab games "in a week or so"

 

So, Gose and Pillar are staying a while yet

 

Rasmus was saying he was ready without rehab last week, guess he feels the need to get back quickly as well.

 

I hope he comes back and has an amazing month, increasing his value so that we can do a three way for a starter

[GeorgiaPeach]

You aren't very good at comprehension. I didn't say he would hit a high chopper every time. And I really don't give a s*** if Gose is likeable or not.

 

Gose has struggled to hit throughout his pro' career, why would you get him to try something that virtually no one does?

[Jimcanuck]

Gose has struggled to hit throughout his pro' career, why would you get him to try something that virtually no one does?

 

You are right, I just looked it up. The butcher boy or slash bunt is rarely used in MLB. More common in low level ball.

 

Which does not mean it would not be an effective approach for Gose in some situations.

[BigCecil]

I am quite good at comprehension. So the times he doesn't hit a high chopper, he grounds out weakly to the pitcher. Let's face the facts. The reason Gose has never stuck, is because a) he isn't good. he has zero charisma. c) a function of both a&b.

 

The reality is, in the absence of charisma, you are really just a drone, and drones play for the Bisons. I can't wait for Gose to be packaged. Some team will see value in a career .220 minor league hitter, with limited power, who had one "adequate" month of playing time.

 

charisma??!! WTF? This isn't a High School student council election process...this is MLB professional baseball

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I'm not trying to predict anything.

 

I'm saying get out soon on an 30+ year old Encarnacion while he's peaking. Get out on a not too far off 35 year old Jose Bautista while he's still raking. Acquire young players like the Rays did for Shields who are reagarded as good, very good young players.......lengthen the windows of contention out instead of shortening it. I can't understand what the benefit of operating with a short contention window is, over trying to have long windows of contention. And acquiring young cheap good players for Edwin or Jose and lengthens the window.

 

Get young pieces in here that are cheap. Because the Jays current ownership is showing us they're only willing to be a 2nd tier spender for payroll. And the FO has to be a shrewd FO to contend for a playoff spot if the ownership is only willing to float 2nd tier money to the GM to work with.

 

I understand you crave a Cubs situation here, they are actually a better example of what you are recommending then the Rays. Check out how long the rebuild is taking and what happened to attendance. The Rays built their team primarily on the draft, they were a horrible team for 10 years. Price got drafted #1 in 2007, Longoria was drafted #3 in 2006. Check out their W/L records by season, they don't succeed without that core, no matter how well they manage trades and signings.

 

Since the Shields and Dickey trades, most GMs are shying away from those kind of deals. They just aren't happening. So even if one were to pursue your strategy, I doubt truly good offers are out there. But let's see on Price, should be a slam dunk for you right ? Your favorite management team and a team that is hopelessly out of contention early. How can they possibly not get some stud prospects for him ? Well, I for one think they won't get anything near what people think, most teams just aren't making those deals and those that do like the Yankees don't have many young players of value to dangle back.

 

Besides, this is totally the wrong time to bail talent. But assuming there was some merit ( say the Jays were 10 games out ), the reasons I listed above are probably still there.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I understand you crave a Cubs situation here, they are actually a better example of what you are recommending then the Rays. Check out how long the rebuild is taking and what happened to attendance. The Rays built their team primarily on the draft, they were a horrible team for 10 years. Price got drafted #1 in 2007, Longoria was drafted #3 in 2006. Check out their W/L records by season, they don't succeed without that core, no matter how well they manage trades and signings.

 

I crave the Jays to gut there team down to nothing like the Cubs? We already have a pretty good team, the Cubs were down to bare bones. I'm not advocating for a full rebuild....never have. But you guys keep putting it out there that I am. All I'm saying is a re-tooling needs to start happening, retirement tours of baseball players isn't something I look forward to.

 

Since the Shields and Dickey trades, most GMs are shying away from those kind of deals. They just aren't happening. So even if one were to pursue your strategy, I doubt truly good offers are out there. But let's see on Price, should be a slam dunk for you right ?

 

Slam dunk for what? What needs to happen is for the Rays to put Price out to the other 29 teams and accept the best offer. A team doesn't have to wait until their raping someone for Price, Edwin or Bautista. But moving those pieces for future pieces and free'ing up money works.

 

Your favorite management team and a team that is hopelessly out of contention early. How can they possibly not get some stud prospects for him ? Well, I for one think they won't get anything near what people think, most teams just aren't making those deals and those that do like the Yankees don't have many young players of value to dangle back.

 

You don't agree the Rays Front Office does a good job?

[L54]

I'm not trying to predict anything.

 

I'm saying get out soon on an 30+ year old Encarnacion while he's peaking. Get out on a not too far off 35 year old Jose Bautista while he's still raking. Acquire young players like the Rays did for Shields who are reagarded as good, very good young players.......lengthen the windows of contention out instead of shortening it. I can't understand what the benefit of operating with a short contention window is, over trying to have long windows of contention. And acquiring young cheap good players for Edwin or Jose and lengthens the window.

 

Get young pieces in here that are cheap. Because the Jays current ownership is showing us they're only willing to be a 2nd tier spender for payroll. And the FO has to be a shrewd FO to contend for a playoff spot if the ownership is only willing to float 2nd tier money to the GM to work with.

 

While I agree with your premise Gibbers, the situation doesn't call for it right now. If the Jays were battling for a WC spot right now, I'd agree completely. The Jays are in the best situation they've been in for 20 years. And even if they're exploring options, who do you viably suggest would be out there? I'm assuming major league ready prospects would be on your radar. Miller and Taveras for Bautista, like you said in an earlier post, is a pipe dream.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I crave the Jays to gut there team down to nothing like the Cubs? We already have a pretty good team, the Cubs were down to bare bones. I'm not advocating for a full rebuild....never have. But you guys keep putting it out there that I am. All I'm saying is a re-tooling needs to start happening, retirement tours of baseball players isn't something I look forward to.

 

Slam dunk for what? What needs to happen is for the Rays to put Price out to the other 29 teams and accept the best offer. A team doesn't have to wait until their raping someone for Price, Edwin or Bautista. But moving those pieces for future pieces and free'ing up money works.

 

You don't agree the Rays Front Office does a good job?

 

Rays did a good job but there was a timing factor ( good draft slots for years ) and some luck too. Just because it worked for them doesn't mean they can repeat it, or anyone else. Cubs you need to go back a few years they had a winning team for a few and they have traded some stars to kick start their rebuild since. I believe their actions are a lot closer to what you are proposing, and their market and fiscals are more similar to ours. I could pull up a few of their moves to illustrate, but it doesn't matter if you say you are emulating the Rays so be it.

 

My point on Price is we don't know what the market is ( last year it was tight on prospects but the year before not ), if the market reflects anything like the hauls people talk about on here, it will be nice for the Rays. I just don't think so myself, and it wouldn't shock me if the

Rays get fed up with the offers and hold on to him til minimum end of season.

[GeorgiaPeach]

While I agree with your premise Gibbers, the situation doesn't call for it right now. If the Jays were battling for a WC spot right now, I'd agree completely. The Jays are in the best situation they've been in for 20 years. And even if they're exploring options, who do you viably suggest would be out there? I'm assuming major league ready prospects would be on your radar. Miller and Taveras for Bautista, like you said in an earlier post, is a pipe dream.

 

Just say the Jays win the WS. Do the Jays then hold off, not moving any pieces in the off season as well?

[L54]

Just say the Jays win the WS. Do the Jays then hold off, not moving any pieces in the off season as well?

 

I think the Jays making the post season justifies it in Alex's mind to not move any pieces named Edwin, Jose or Mark. Who do you think would be a viable midseason acquisition?

[GeorgiaPeach]

I think the Jays making the post season justifies it in Alex's mind to not move any pieces named Edwin, Jose or Mark. Who do you think would be a viable midseason acquisition?

 

I was talking after the 2014 season if the Jays win the World Series do they stand pat with the team they have?

 

As for you asking about a mid-season acquisition....I'm not a buyer on Price, Samardzija or Shields unless the price is right and I don't think the price will be right. Anything less than one of these guys though and its pointless.....a Jason Hammel is pointless for post season purposes. And he's older so it's not like he's an asset going forward.

[L54]

I was talking after the 2014 season if the Jays win the World Series do they stand pat with the team they have?

 

As for you asking about a mid-season acquisition....I'm not a buyer on Price, Samardzija or Shields unless the price is right and I don't think the price will be right. Anything less than one of these guys though and its pointless.....a Jason Hammel is pointless for post season purposes. And he's older so it's not like he's an asset going forward.

 

I would be shocked if the Jays make the playoffs and turn any of the core pieces over. AA likely stays pat, and hopes to have room to re sign Melky and add a SP. Cut ties with Santos, Morrow (?) likely keeps the payroll similar to this year with arb raises and increases to Reyes without looking up the numbers.

 

If the Jays aren't contending like this again come this time 2015, I agree with you, it makes absolute sense to start selling. A playoff run likely keeps the same squad together to at least start the season.

 

I don't think this year is the right time, but if we pay Edwin and Jose well into their 30's to be Blue Jays, the inevitable decline will come, followed by mediocrity again. Choosing when to sell on them will be key, although it won't be this year (nor should it be at this point). I agree with what you're saying, that we need to replenish the major league team with young talent. When and how will be interesting to see.

[L54]

I wouldn't be a buyer on Price either. Samardzija and Shields intrigue me because of less of a cost. Shields to be a free agent IIRC, should lessen the price even more. If I'm the Royals, and out of it, I look to deal him for the best package (obviously). Getting established prospects is better than a supplemental pick in 2015 IMO if they were to qualify him.