GDT(3/3): Toronto Blue Jays @ Pittsburgh Pirates - McGowan vs. Volquez - 1:35 PM ET

[Angrioter]

How about Stroman's debut?

[Atothe]

How about Stroman's debut?

 

meh

[ElNik2013]

Stilson had a good outing today: 3IP, 0H, 0ER, 0BB, 6K.

 

He was struggling to start the season, but he's a guy who could help out the BP later on in the year.

 

Pillar went 2-5.

[GD]

That's a really impressive outing from Stilson. Damn.

[jaysfan2014]

Why is the AL so lousy this year? Last year, the Jays were out of it by now.. this year we're right within distance, and would be near 1st if our bullpen would stop blowing games.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Paper champions and stats be damned,that why we still play the games!

[G-Snarls]

Why is the AL so lousy this year? Last year, the Jays were out of it by now.. this year we're right within distance, and would be near 1st if our bullpen would stop blowing games.

 

Red Sox - regression and some bad luck

 

Orioles - playing like the 500 team they are. Inadequate SP.

 

Rays - loss of 3 starters and slipping from the tightrope they walk every year.

 

Yankees - holding their own so far despite big holes

[jaysfan2014]

The Yanks may have difficulty holding on for much longer, however. What happens once teams see Tanaka for the 2nd time? It may not be long, as teams are starting to figure out Tanaka, as shown in his last few starts.

 

Sabathia is turning more into a poor imitation of Mark Buehrle, as his velocity is gone. Kuroda's stuff has diminished further, continuing a trend from last season, with his H/9IP, ERA, FIP all trending the wrong way, which started around mid-August of last year, when his numbers cratered. Nova is out for the year, Pineda is hurt and has uncertainty regarding his stuff, Nuno is AAA fodder and I expect Phelps to get lit up when he starts tomorrow, as he is better suited for the bullpen, especially considering the lack of innings their starters are getting.

 

Rays really miss Hellickson, Cobb and Moore. Orioles really need Bundy and Gausman to develop, as their starters haven't impressed. Boston can't hit and lacks a leadoff batter. Pedroia cannot continue to be used at leadoff, as it hurts their offense. And let's not forget a regressing Ortiz and an unproductive outfield.

[GD]

Bolded are lies.

 

I lol'd at ERA trending the wrong way

[Caper]

I lol'd at ERA trending the wrong way

 

Why is that?

[Caper]

Bolded are lies.

 

Also... Why are they lies? Do you mean he is incorrect in his opinion? Or do you mean he knows what he is saying is not true and is saying it anyway in order to deceive people? If he is lying, what do you suspect as motive?

[jaysfan2014]

Did you even see Kuroda's last starts of 2013? And regarding what I said about Sabathia, he is a pitcher who used to blow batters away. Without the heat, he basically has to turn into Mark Buehrle, which he has yet to do, with a ERA of 5.75, being hit at a near .300 clip, giving up 10+ hits/9IP, and only two good games this year (both against Boston.)

 

And Tanaka has yet to face a team a 2nd time. Regarding the Rays, they could use anybody right now.. Bedard and Ramos cannot continue to be used in the 4th and 5th spot, and Odorizzi is better suited for long relief, as he gets lit up in his 2nd and 3rd go-around in games.

Boston rates near the bottom in many offensive categories, showing how much Ellsbury is missed. And Pedroia is better suited as a #2 or #3 hitter, not leadoff.

[GD]

Why is that?

 

Because 35 innings of BABIP and negative ERA luck does not constitute the phrase "trending in the wrong direction."

[Caper]

There isn't really room for opinion there.

 

So you believe he is actually trying to deceive you? To what end?

[Caper]

Because 35 innings of BABIP and negative ERA luck does not constitute the phrase "trending in the wrong direction."

 

I was thinking more of the last few years.

[GD]

I was thinking more of the last few years.

 

His individual ERAs have never deviated from his career by more than 0.38... he's always posted an ERA between 3.07 and 3.76.. I don't know what you're thinking but it's misguided.

[Caper]

No. He just has no idea what he's talking about. He's also a troll by the name of High85.

 

 

 

Ok... then say he was wrong.... not lying. There is a big difference.

[GD]

Ok... then say he was wrong.... not lying. There is a big difference.

 

The difference is in the interpretation

[Caper]

His individual ERAs have never deviated from his career by more than 0.38... he's always posted an ERA between 3.07 and 3.76.. I don't know what you're thinking but it's misguided.

 

I'm just looking at baseball reference..... and it goes up every year since 2011.... that's all I was saying.

[GD]

I'm just looking at baseball reference..... and it goes up every year since 2011.... that's all I was saying.

 

2012 ERA: 3.32

2013 ERA: 3.31

 

um

[Caper]

2012 ERA: 3.32

2013 ERA: 3.31

 

um

 

 

My mistake.... I thought he was talking about Sabathia.

[jaysfan2014]

Hellickson would be in the top 5 starters for the Rays right now. Bedard and Ramos are garbage, Odorizzi has a 4.66 FIP/4.42xFIP to go with his 6+ ERA(why do you think Milwaukee and KC dumped him?), and they really need Cobb back as well.

 

Sabathia's xFIP is now 2.96. Doesn't matter when the Yanks defense is horrible, continuing to play below average defenders like Ellsbury, Jeter, Solarte, and Beltran. As for Tanaka, he's headed for a hard fall, as a 90.1 LOB% rate is unsustainable, which likely means his ERA and HR rate are set to skyrocket in the coming months. Remember, he's been giving up more HR as teams adjust to his pitches, as evidenced in his last start vs. the Rays.

[GD]

My mistake.... I thought he was talking about Sabathia.

 

Don't know if you're just trying to cover your ass but if you actually were, then understandable

[Caper]

Don't know if you're just trying to cover your ass but if you actually were, then understandable

 

Well if you look back in the part he bolded.... he initially bolded Sabathia.... I didn't catch the non-bolded second pitcher.

 

What I thought was you were lol'ing at the mere mention of ERA as a stat to judge pitchers on... you know stat geek snobbery.

[GD]

Well if you look back in the part he bolded.... he initially bolded Sabathia.... I didn't catch the non-bolded second pitcher.

 

What I thought was you were lol'ing at the mere mention of ERA as a stat to judge pitchers on... you know stat geek snobbery.

 

That too

[GD]

I didn't mention anything about Kuroda. Nothing he said was wrong blatantly wrong about him. Though his xFIP actually got better as he went last year.

 

Saying there was a trend based on ~50 IP is wrong.

[jaysfan2014]

Just so we can settle this, here are xFIPS of AL East starters:

 

YANKEES

Sabathia 2.96

Kuroda 3.83

Tanaka 2.22 (but a 90.1% LOB rate.. regression is due)

Phelps 4.23

Nuno 4.27

Pineda 4.25

 

Tanaka, a quagmire that is Sabathia, and 3 below average hurlers in Nuno, Kuroda and Phelps. Pineda is headed for a hard fall when he returns, as his numbers have been deceptive, as he should have an ERA closer than 5 than a 1.83 ERA.

 

RED SOX

 

Lester 2.65

Lackey 3.22

Peavy 4.62

Doubront 4.86

Buchholz 4.24

 

Peavy is pitching way above his head, as his xFIP shows major regression ahead. Lester and Lackey are pitching as expected.

 

RAYS

Price 2.61

Archer 3.56

Odorizzi 4.42

Bedard 5.24

Ramos 5.31

As i said, Bedard and Ramos are garbage.

 

ORIOLES

Jimenez 4.46

Tillman 4.03

Chen 3.57

Gonzalez 4.56

Norris 4.25

 

JAYS

Dickey 4.90

Hutchison 3.25

McGowan 5.48

Morrow (on DL) 4.20

Buehrle 4.16 (but that is typically his career norm anyway)

[Convo]

What, no xxFIPS?

[G-Snarls]

Thanks jaysfan2014

 

None of the AL East rotations are all that great

 

And we can put up runs with the best of them

[GD]

Tanaka 2.22 (but a 90.1% LOB rate.. regression is due)

 

LOB% is a sign of regression for ERA, not xFIP