Sergio Santa Claus ready to go in again if called.......

[wardhenke1]

Sergio Santa Claus is ready to serve up more presents to the opposition if called upon again as closer. “We’re all human,” Santos said when asked about his confidence level. “Doubt creeps in, but I’m still going to have my confidence if my name gets called tomorrow. It’s just a matter of getting back out there and getting the job done.”

 

Santa "is 0-2 with a 10.61 ERA, allowing five home runs in 10 innings with 21 base-runners. He has saved five of his eight opportunities."

 

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2014/05/02/blue_jays_snatch_defeat_from_jaws_of_victory_in_pittsburgh_griffin.html

 

DFA this clown now, call up Stroman and put McGowan in the pen. Let Cecil close until Janssen is ready in about 2 weeks.

[Anemic0ffense]

Stat nerds are licking their chops, and are ready to feast on your flesh.

 

Those 5 HR's were all luck damn it!

[Stangstag]

ERA in a 10 inning sample. Good job guys.

 

What's your final verdict on Santos? I personally would give him 1 more outing, and if he is still shaky I would take him out of the closer role.

[HERPDERP]

ERA in a 10 inning sample. Good job guys.

 

With that rationale, no one should ever doubt relievers since they typically get no less than 60 innings a season.

 

Don't hide the fact that Santos has been utter s***.

[ElNik2013]

The O's traded their 2013 closer and are using last year's set-up guy to close this year. I don't know how much Jim Johnson is making, but whatever the O's saved on him was probably very helpful in signing Jimenez and Cruz.

[wardhenke1]

Statistically B. J. Ryan should have been among the elite relievers in baseball in 2007 and beyond:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2006&month=0&season1=2006&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

We gambled $47m on it.

[Anemic0ffense]

It's just comical to watch otherwise good posters defend Santos so far. Nobody is expecting him to keep a 10 ERA... Nobody f***ing said that, but to defend the mans last 3 or 4 outings as 100% poor luck is some of the dumbest s*** I've ever heard.

 

Watch the walk off again last night. Tell me that meatball wasn't a pitch most major leaguers wouldn't deposit over the wall. The guy has just done a piss poor job since being a Jay. Future indicators or not, he's been bad. End of story.

 

*Still waiting for his "old school stats" to approach his xFIP*

 

EDIT

[wardhenke1]

Completely missing the point. Ryan didn't have good advanced stats following those two awesome years.

 

You seem to be completely missing my point. Santos missed virtually all of the 2012 season and most of the 2013 season with injuries after an excellent season for the Chisox:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4734&position=P

 

There are parallels with B. J. Ryan. s*** happens, life happens, humanity happens. At the moment his confidence is shot and he cannot close a 7/11. He needs to go.

[Anemic0ffense]

Honestly, why the f*** do you even bother Jfas?

 

These ignorant morons are to the point where it's "OH LET ME GUESS, ADVANCED STATS SAY IT WAS FINE" in literally every thread, every time something doesn't break our way.

 

The advanced stat crew also predicted Morrow to be an ace. Still waiting on that. Guess he's just had bad luck all this time. Again, not denying these stats have meaning because I know they do, but maybe JUST f***ING MAYBE they aren't always infallible.

[wardhenke1]

Honestly, why the f*** do you even bother Jfas?

 

These ignorant morons are to the point where it's "OH LET ME GUESS, ADVANCED STATS SAY IT WAS FINE" in literally every thread, every time something doesn't break our way.

 

Indeed. It's almost as infuriating as ignorant morons who tell us all that after this team has gone 87-104 since it was assembled that advanced statistics assure us that everything is all right.

[wardhenke1]

Except for the fact that Santos has excellent advanced stats every season.

 

So did B. J. Ryan for four f***ing years (2003-2006). Don't you get it?

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=168&position=P

 

s*** happens. Stats cannot and never will tell you the whole picture.

[Dr. Dinger]

ERA in a 10 inning sample. Good job guys.

 

He has 17 Ks in 9 IP and these idiots are calling for his DFA.

 

This is why I rarely stray into this forum.

[Anemic0ffense]

It's not like I always say the positive side. Buehrle and McGowan have not been good, but you guys praise them for getting lucky.

 

It's like there's no balance in your approach. You're so invested in these numbers that the end result doesn't even matter to you. It's always "what really should of happened", instead of what actually happened. Again, I understand the jist of the stats, and I understand Santos will almost definitely start pitching better than he has, but coming off an outing which he gave up 2 rockets off the bat, and defending the man, saying "ERA in 10 innings haha", yet giving us the advanced stats in an outing of 2/3 innings is kinda laughable, don't you think? A bit of realism on your end would be nice.

[Anemic0ffense]

He has 17 Ks in 9 IP and these idiots are calling for his DFA.

 

This is why I rarely stray into this forum.

 

Ah you returned after going ape s*** after I said AA wouldn't sign anyone haha

 

And he's walked a batter per inning, but those K's!

[Dr. Dinger]

Ah you returned after going ape s*** after I said AA wouldn't sign anyone haha

 

And he's walked a batter per inning, but those K's!

 

Too bad you don't have a scrotum or you could have made some money on that.

[Anemic0ffense]

Too bad you don't have a scrotum or you could have made some money on that.

 

Oh my scrotum is there, I can assure you of that...

 

And if there's a future thing we have a huge disagreement on, I'll throw down $20, and you can bet I'd send it to your PayPal instantly if I lost.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

The point isn't that it's 100% bad luck. The point is that he's thrown 9 innings and has had very poor luck to go along with poor command, and the vitriol he's receiving here is comical. A healthy Santos is an elite reliever. 9 innings doesn't change that.

 

The sample size argument has to go both ways. You guys call people stupid for bashing Santos this year (completely understand this, 9 innings means nothing) but then you call him "elite" based on only a slightly larger sample... The love he got on this board for only 25 innings last year was ridiculous.

 

He can't throw strikes and he can't stay healthy. Craig Kimbrel is an elite reliever. Sergio Santos is not an elite reliever.

[Dr. Dinger]

Oh my scrotum is there, I can assure you of that...

 

And if there's a future thing we have a huge disagreement on, I'll throw down $20, and you can bet I'd send it to your PayPal instantly if I lost.

 

I paid tercet $500, I dont give a s*** about the money. Glad to hear that next time you take a contrarian stance you'll have the testosterone to back it up with your wallet.

[Dr. Dinger]

The sample size argument has to go both ways. You guys call people stupid for bashing Santos this year (completely understand this, 9 innings means nothing) but then you call him "elite" based on only a slightly larger sample... The love he got on this board for only 25 innings last year was ridiculous.

 

He can't throw strikes and he can't stay healthy. Craig Kimbrel is an elite reliever. Sergio Santos is not an elite reliever.

 

I actually expect him to hit the DL any day now.

[Dr. Dinger]

A healthy Santos has been elite since he started pitching. His issue is staying healthy, and I don't think anybody knows if he will. A healthy Santos is going to be a pretty serious weapon though.

 

He has one of the nastiest pitches in baseball in the slider, it has truly been elite. The fastball command is touch and go but the velo is plus.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Honestly, why the f*** do you even bother Jfas?

 

These ignorant morons are to the point where it's "OH LET ME GUESS, ADVANCED STATS SAY IT WAS FINE" in literally every thread, every time something doesn't break our way.

 

Because the answers JFaS provides have a feeling of, this is the answer and there is no other. Yet projection systems are just that....a projection. If projections were 100% accurate then every player in baseball should play exactly like the projections systems say, but they don't. So no one should be acting like a projections systems, projection is 100% the final answer.

[GeorgiaPeach]

The advanced stat crew also predicted Morrow to be an ace. Still waiting on that. Guess he's just had bad luck all this time. Again, not denying these stats have meaning because I know they do, but maybe JUST f***ING MAYBE they aren't always infallible.

 

Bingo!!

[Anemic0ffense]

I paid tercet $500, I dont give a s*** about the money. Glad to hear that next time you take a contrarian stance you'll have the testosterone to back it up with your wallet.

 

Mind if I ask what this $500 bet was over? Lol

[GeorgiaPeach]

It's not like I always say the positive side. Buehrle and McGowan have not been good, but you guys praise them for getting lucky.

 

Seeing as a base hit is based purely on the batter & luck, does this mean the construction of a team should focus solely on a stacked lineup and superb defence and the pitching staff can be the last spots to allocate money?

[Anemic0ffense]

I have a question that no one has answered yet. After giving up the first game tying home run and getting the second out WHY? WHY the f*** would you even bother facing Cutch?? Makes no f***ing sense.

 

Who was Gibbons going to go to there? Redmond? Happ? I mean I haven't been a fan of the job Gibbons has done since returning, but that's a bit over the top.

 

The real argument is whether or not Santos starts producing the results that all the stat geeks predict. I think everyone sees the ERA going south of 10, but is he "elite"? It's not as clear cut as some here are obnoxiously saying.

[GeorgiaPeach]

13 months ago all the casual fans were livid with statsy people for saying things aren't quite as good as they looked. Now all the casual fans are livid with statsy people for saying things aren't quite as bad as they look. It's almost like quantitative analysis prevents people from spouting off like reactionary idiots.

 

Looking realistically at the 2013 & 2014 teams, neither for me was a lock for the playoffs, wildcard included. With luck on their side, beyond what other teams, sure. But on paper and how they had played in the past with luck equalled out....not a chance.

[GeorgiaPeach]

A healthy Santos has been elite since he started pitching. His issue is staying healthy, and I don't think anybody knows if he will. A healthy Santos is going to be a pretty serious weapon though.

 

Since his MLB debut and IP to allow him to be included, he's 36th of 137 in FIP for RP. IMO, not elite but very good. And with a 30+ year old Santos being on a team with a 2nd tier payroll, getting paid 5 or 6m per... it's time to move on and allocate those funds elsewhere.

[ElNik2013]

I'm just simply asking why Santos didn't intentionally walk Cutch.

 

 

Because that would've put 2 on for Alvarez and he would've hit a walk off, 3-run shot instead of a 2-run shot. On the other hand, it would've saved him 5 pitches.

[ElNik2013]

are you aware that it takes only one run to win the game in the bottom of the 9th??

 

 

Are you aware that you're confused about the situation? The Blue Jays had a 2-run lead going into the 9th, here's how things transpired:

 

Neil Walker singled to lead off the inning.

Andrew McCutchen struck out swinging.

Pedro Alvarez homered to CF to tie the game.

Ike Davis flied out to CF.

Starling Marte homered to CF to win the game.

[baseballsss]

are you aware that it takes only one run to win the game in the bottom of the 9th??

 

bra you new or something? The Jays lose in style.