Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Moises Sierra "The manager told me that I'll play 1B tomorrow vs Detroit"
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Author Posted March 10, 2014 Please just DFA this clown. Out Of Options Players: AL East The following 40-man roster players have less than five years service time and are out of minor league options. That means they must clear waivers before being sent to the minors, so the team would be at risk of losing them in attempting to do so. I've included players on multiyear deals. This list was compiled through MLBTR's sources. Today, we'll take a look at the AL East. Blue Jays: Brett Cecil, Jeremy Jeffress, Luis Perez, Esmil Rogers, Sergio Santos, Todd Redmond, Moises Sierra Back on February 20th, Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos spoke about beginning the season with an eight-man bullpen, as they did in 2013, partially because of the desire not to lose a player, according to MLB.com's Gregor Chisholm. Cecil, Santos, Casey Janssen, Steve Delabar, and Aaron Loup are the locks. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/out-of-options-players-al-east.html
TBJ12 Verified Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Please just DFA this clown. Why? He's looked good with the bat since Sept of last season, he's looked decent in the OF so far this spring, he has a cannon for an arm, and I haven't seen any of the baserunning nonsense we witnessed late last season.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Author Posted March 10, 2014 Why? He's looked good with the bat since Sept of last season, he's looked decent in the OF so far this spring, he has a cannon for an arm, and I haven't seen any of the baserunning nonsense we witnessed late last season. 4th OF and Reliever
z3r0s Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Why? He's looked good with the bat since Sept of last season, he's looked decent in the OF so far this spring, he has a cannon for an arm, and I haven't seen any of the baserunning nonsense we witnessed late last season. The problem with Sierra is that scouts seem to like him quite a bit, and you don't want to give up on a guy too soon (see Bautista with the Pirates). For the amount of WAR at stake (upgrade a bench spot) I'm not sure its worth losing him for nothing.
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 s***, it's less than ideal but Moises is one of our better bench options at this point. We have to keep him. And I like that they are trying him out at first, some positional versatility can only help.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Please just DFA this clown. So far he's clearly winning the race to not get DFA'd since McGowan, Redmond and Jeffres have all been pretty bad. Right now McGowan is probably the one I'd most like to see get the axe because I'm tired of holding a roster spot for a human interset story. It's just so unprofessional. I hate Sierra for his lack of defensive value and wanted him DFA'd pretty bad before spring training but since no external option was brought in he might be the best option for right-handed DH. Pillar is more complete player bu he isn't exactly setting the world on fire. Sierra, from what I understand, had a great winter ball season. I'm skeptical of his new found successe especially since he's been bad for so long and I don't know that he's doing anything different but there's not much to lose by letting him play until he fails at this point. Pillar will still be available when he does.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 s***, it's less than ideal but Moises is one of our better bench options at this point. We have to keep him. And I like that they are trying him out at first, some positional versatility can only help. Rostering a platoon DH really does a number on your bench especially when you're probably also planning to have a long bullpen. Backup 1B doesn't do a whole lot to improve that since he'll probably be even worse than EE and Lind at the postiion but I guess it's something.
Brenner Verified Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Jays don't have a lot of options for backup OF/DH because they didn't go out and sign anyone. EE/Lind is fine at 1B but there is probably some truth to EE preferring (not demanding) to DH. There is a lack of positional prospects in the system ready to come up as injury replacements so Sierra adding 1B to his resume is unfortunately the best internal option. They seem to be asking for trouble this year with the complete lack of quality positional depth and going with a large bullpen. We have the arms to justify the big bullpen but we needed a better super sub on the team. A single injury and Gose/Izzy are starters (and thats assuming Goins is the starter)... add a second injury... and things get ugly fast.
TBJ12 Verified Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 He's Eric Thames, but a worse hitter. Are you serious?
HERPDERP Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 BTS obviously hasn't been watching any ST games.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 I'd rather have Navarro DH vs. RHP. At least we wouldn't have to worry about Sierra in the OF. Yeah as JFaS has pointed out several times, that would be the best internal option on paper but I don't see it happening. I think the team just wants to cut ties with Thole rather than roster three catcher of if they don't want to lose him, they'll use Kratz's option (much like Thole himself started the season in the minors last year while the team went with Blanco). The basic problem is that the team didn't address his needs in the off-season and pretty much has to go with the s*** at the wall approach. Might as well see what Sierrra, Goins, etc. can do. It's not a contending team's approach but this team is so damn passive that I don't even know if it's even trying to contend at this point. It feels like the team is holding on to its veterans more for marketing reason than in order to make a real push.
TBJ12 Verified Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 BTS obviously hasn't been watching any ST games. Or any games since September of last season. If you can't see that Sierra has a great approach at the plate right now your blind, he's taking tough pitches and hitting mistakes hard.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Are you serious? If you go by Minor League records, Eric Thames was a much more legit offensive prospect at the time that he made the team than Sierra is now. If Sierra is a better hitter, it's because he's undergone some sort of magic transformation because he's been a 700 OPS hitter for his career to this point (Thames was nearly 900). That being said, things are so bleak right now that I'm fine with banking on magic transformations. It might be the best chance the team has.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Author Posted March 10, 2014 Are you serious? 22 Sierra AA: 7.1% BB, 17% K, .160 ISO, 114 wRC+ 23 Thames AA: 9% BB 21% K, .238 ISO, 142 wRC+ 23 Sierra AAA: 9.2% BB, 20.4% K, .183 ISO, 115 wRC+ 24 Sierra AAA: 9.5% BB, 17% K, .257 ISO, 150 wRC+ MLB debut 23 Sierra 5.1% BB, 28% K, .150 ISO, 75 wRC+ (157 PA) 24 Thames 5.8% BB, 22.3% K, .193 ISO, 107 wRC+ (394 PA)
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 So we're just going to ignore the fact that Sierra couldn't hit AAA pitching as a 24-year old last year because he had a nice September and has BABIP'd his way to a nice slash line after 20 plate appearances this spring? I would have thought we all learned this lesson with Thames, who actually did have a chance to be a useful DH. Do you where one can access Winter Ball stats? I don't know how many plate appearances that would be. It's still probably not a lot but if there's some legitimate explanation for it, I might just go against my better judgement on this (and I really really don't like discarding a huge sample for a small one in normal circumstances but, you know, desperate times...).
TBJ12 Verified Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 I'm not overly concerned with the minor league results. It wouldn't be the first time a player from the DR took a little extra time to find his stride, it wasn't all that long ago we were all skeptical of EE and Bautista.
TBJ12 Verified Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Do you where one can access Winter Ball stats? I don't know how many plate appearances that would be. It's still probably not a lot but if there's some legitimate explanation for it, I might just go against my better judgement on this (and I really really don't like discarding a huge sample for a small one in normal circumstances but, you know, desperate times...). http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/winterleagues/league.jsp?league=car Sierra .331/.401/.435/.836
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Author Posted March 10, 2014 Do you where one can access Winter Ball stats? I don't know how many plate appearances that would be. It's still probably not a lot but if there's some legitimate explanation for it, I might just go against my better judgement on this (and I really really don't like discarding a huge sample for a small one in normal circumstances but, you know, desperate times...). ----> http://beisboldata.com/bateo.aspx Split: Gigantes
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 I'd rather have Navarro DH vs. RHP. At least we wouldn't have to worry about Sierra in the OF. Navarro has a career wOBA of .287 vs RHP.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/winterleagues/league.jsp?league=car Sierra .331/.401/.435/.836 http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l131&lid=131&t=l_bat [TABLE=width: 649] [TR=bgcolor: #CCCCCC] [TH=class: dg-obp sortable, bgcolor: #999999, align: center]OBP[/TH] [TH=class: dg-slg sortable, bgcolor: #999999, align: center]SLG[/TH] [TH=class: dg-avg sortable, bgcolor: #999999, align: center]AVG[/TH] [TH=class: dg-ops sortable, bgcolor: #999999, align: center]OPS[/TH] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE=width: 649] [TR=bgcolor: #CCCCCC] [TD=class: dg-obp, align: center].401[/TD] [TD=class: dg-slg, align: center].435[/TD] [TD=class: dg-avg, align: center].331[/TD] [TD=class: dg-ops active, bgcolor: #999999, align: center].836[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] This was over 154 ABs. Plate appearances aren't listed. It's not a lot to go on especially with no explanation for the sudden (and relatively modest) turnaround.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 You don't need another catcher on the bench. That's only true if you're the Tampa Bay Rays and you realize that the marginal cost of possibly losing the DH a few times in a season isn't worth sacrificing your roster composition. Even though that's true and even though Lawrie is probably a perfectly acceptable emergency catcher too, it ain't going to happen.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Author Posted March 10, 2014 http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l131&lid=131&t=l_bat [TABLE=width: 649] [TR=bgcolor: #CCCCCC] [TH=class: dg-obp sortable, bgcolor: #999999, align: center]OBP[/TH] [TH=class: dg-slg sortable, bgcolor: #999999, align: center]SLG[/TH] [TH=class: dg-avg sortable, bgcolor: #999999, align: center]AVG[/TH] [TH=class: dg-ops sortable, bgcolor: #999999, align: center]OPS[/TH] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE=width: 649] [TR=bgcolor: #CCCCCC] [TD=class: dg-obp, align: center].401[/TD] [TD=class: dg-slg, align: center].435[/TD] [TD=class: dg-avg, align: center].331[/TD] [TD=class: dg-ops active, bgcolor: #999999, align: center].836[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] This was over 154 ABs. Plate appearances aren't listed. It's not a lot to go on especially with no explanation for the sudden (and relatively modest) turnaround. Julian Javier Stadium (Sierra home) is like the Coors Field. +14 HR%
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Then that's even more s***. Obviously completely BABIP fuelled. I tried... I really wanted to explore any angle that might justify optimism. #despair
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Author Posted March 10, 2014 Then that's even more s***. Obviously completely BABIP fuelled. Seirra Babip .402 http://beisboldata.com/bateo.aspx
saskjayfan Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 So far he's clearly winning the race to not get DFA'd since McGowan, Redmond and Jeffres have all been pretty bad. Right now McGowan is probably the one I'd most like to see get the axe because I'm tired of holding a roster spot for a human interset story. It's just so unprofessional. I hate Sierra for his lack of defensive value and wanted him DFA'd pretty bad before spring training but since no external option was brought in he might be the best option for right-handed DH. Pillar is more complete player bu he isn't exactly setting the world on fire. Sierra, from what I understand, had a great winter ball season. I'm skeptical of his new found successe especially since he's been bad for so long and I don't know that he's doing anything different but there's not much to lose by letting him play until he fails at this point. Pillar will still be available when he does. yeah..it's McGowan's human interest story, not his 98 mile an hour fastball keeping him around. You're going to get rid of a guy for one bad inning after he pitched well last year.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Author Posted March 10, 2014 yeah..it's McGowan's human interest story, not his 98 mile an hour fastball keeping him around. You're going to get rid of a guy for one bad inning after he pitched well last year. McGowan ~90 innings in the last 3 years
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 yeah..it's McGowan's human interest story, not his 98 mile an hour fastball keeping him around. You're going to get rid of a guy for one bad inning after he pitched well last year. Bad inning? Where have you been? He's pitched 47 innings since 2008. If he translates the velocity reading and the human interest story into actual production this year, it will be the first time in six years. That matters a lot more than that one inning in Spring Training.
NorthOf49 Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 McGowan ~90 innings in the last 3 years Even that's an exaggeration. He's throw 46.2 Major League innings in the past five seasons. But sure, he'll be a dependable #4 starter for us this year. We can count on him.
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Even that's an exaggeration. He's throw 46.2 Major League innings in the past five seasons. But sure, he'll be a dependable #4 starter for us this year. We can count on him. As long as he can get us through may and into June then Stroman should be ready lol.
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