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Agree then - way too early to be making conclusions - Drabek could outperform Hutch the rest of ST, who knows

 

 

 

For sure. Even Happ's struggles could turn around and hopefully increase his trade value which could come in handy IF the jays get Santana.

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For sure. Even Happ's struggles could turn around and hopefully increase his trade value which could come in handy IF the jays get Santana.

 

All for adding Santana

 

Then we have 3 guys we can probably count on and can find 2 among the rest. Much better than having 2 and trying to find 3 from among the rest.

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If we sign him for 1 year 14M, the question becomes - should we just have qualified Johnson instead?

 

How good would this rotation look, with Santana and JJ both on 1-year deals...

 

Dickey

Santana

Buerhle

Johnson

Mr. Glass

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IMO he's the most credible baseball source on Twitter, and I follow like 30.

 

Yeah it's not even close. I can't remember him EVER getting fooled and reporting something that gets debunked. OTOH Olney, Heyman, et al that happens sometimes.

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If we sign him for 1 year 14M, the question becomes - should we just have qualified Johnson instead?

 

Going out on a bit of a limb here.... but JJ may be done, a power pitcher that has lost his power

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If we sign him for 1 year 14M, the question becomes - should we just have qualified Johnson instead?

 

 

 

It's already been brought up especially with the narrative that they've put out there that injuries and bad luck killed them last year and they're gonna give the same squad another shot. Well, JJ was a big part of that squad. There could be an argument based on JJ's health, maybe they didn't like his medicals...who knows.

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How good would this rotation look, with Santana and JJ both on 1-year deals...

 

Dickey

Santana

Buerhle

Johnson

Mr. Glass

 

Well that never would have happened though. No way AA would have signed/resigned two guys at 14M each.

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Yeah it's not even close. I can't remember him EVER getting fooled and reporting something that gets debunked. OTOH Olney, Heyman, et al that happens sometimes.

 

I think, in the last year, he got a fact wrong on something, can't remember what, but it wasn't about FA's. If he reports Santana has signed, I will book it. Literally.

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How good would this rotation look, with Santana and JJ both on 1-year deals...

 

Dickey

Santana

Buerhle

Johnson

Mr. Glass

 

 

 

No way the Jays would have a 150M budget this year.

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Going out on a bit of a limb here.... but JJ may be done, a power pitcher that has lost his power

 

Since he's not with the jays now, you know he's going to have a come back year and put up better numbers than 4/5 of the jays' pitchers.

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Well that never would have happened though. No way AA would have signed/resigned two guys at 14M each.

 

Are you sure? Two potential 1st rounders as compensation after the 2014 season to replenish the farm? Two pitchers who may combine for 6-7 WAR during a season when they are going for it? Two pitchers in the final year of their contract? You can't align the stars more.

 

BTW, I predict JJ could be the NL Cy Young winner.

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Going out on a bit of a limb here.... but JJ may be done, a power pitcher that has lost his power

 

 

 

I think it's telling that he signed with the Padres in that it shows he's looking for an advantage. I doubt many teams will give him a bunch of money even if he has a good year.

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No way the Jays would have a 150M budget this year.

 

How much is a 1st rounder worth? They get those two pitchers, lots of WAR and two 1st rounders next year (but I know, nothing is guaranteed)? I think he could have convinced management to spend the moolah. Also, he would have traded Happ away to save ~ $6M of that.

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How much is a 1st rounder worth? They get those two pitchers, lots of WAR and two 1st rounders next year (but I know, nothing is guaranteed)? I think he could have convinced management to spend the moolah. Also, he would have traded Happ away to save ~ $6M of that.

 

If Santana on board, the much bigger need is a 2B upgrade. AA needs to clear some bodies and free up $$ to sign Drew, and this team is a true contender in my mind

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So all we need now is for Stephen Drew to see this all going on, get pissed off, fire Boras, and decide to negotiate his own one year deal with the Jays' ;)
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So all we need now is for Stephen Drew to see this all going on, get pissed off, fire Boras, and decide to negotiate his own one year deal with the Jays' ;)

 

But Goins

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How much is a 1st rounder worth? They get those two pitchers, lots of WAR and two 1st rounders next year (but I know, nothing is guaranteed)? I think he could have convinced management to spend the moolah. Also, he would have traded Happ away to save ~ $6M of that.

 

 

 

 

Remember, JJ comes with injury risks attached, although I've said I would've made the QO. However, I just don't think the Jays had that kind of budget even if you trade Happ, you'd still be looking at close to 150M.

 

If they have that kind of money, it may be better to sign Santana and Drew at this point, but I doubt it.

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More reports saying it's the Blue Jays.

 

I can't find any from any reputable source

 

Davidi says deal NOT done

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If Santana on board, the much bigger need is a 2B upgrade. AA needs to clear some bodies and free up $$ to sign Drew, and this team is a true contender in my mind

 

I know you, and many others disagree, like 99% of you. But I'm okay with Goins at 2B. His defense is just sooooo good. This may be PR spin, but Seitzer told the Jays brass NOT to sign anyone and give Goins a chance because he figures he can make his offence solid. Great defence means our pitchers will perform better.

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I can't find any from any reputable source

 

Davidi says deal NOT done

 

If you're ES, why hurry? Say the Jays have offered around $14.2M. Maybe they make it a 24-hour offer. That would give the other 29 teams a full day to one-up that deal. I think that's the agents tack, start a bidding war at the QO amount. It's genius. ES isn't out any money from what he could have accepted months ago, and he possibly gets a little (or lot) more.

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