AA needs to land a big fish free agent this off season

[G-Snarls]

Dis the new thread if you want but...

 

Having though through every scenario with people in here it feels to me like he has no choice

 

Trading Bautista leaves a big hole

 

Trading Stroman and Sanchez feels so wrong

 

Trading BP pieces won't get us all we need

 

If he wants this team to be competitive in 2014, and save his job, and save the farm from desolation he has to beg Rogers for the $ to land a big fish. He doesn't have the means to fix this team any other way.

 

Tanaka

Garza

Cano

McCann

 

Then he can fill a second hole by trade. But without landing one of the impact FA players I just don't think anything else will be enough.

 

If he doesn't, either:

 

The team won't be good enough

We leave too much to chance in terms of the starting rotation

We destroy what's left of the farm

 

Agree or disagree?? How desperate is AA? Will Rogers let him increase payroll to 160-170 to mad out the return on what they've already invested and really go for it?

[Angrioter]

.................................or 12 AAV + 12 AAV + 10 AAV?

 

Free agency doesn't have the pieces to make this team championable.

This team have many holes and little money to spend. I don't trust in AA, I'm scared right now.

[G-Snarls]

A) Sign Tanaka or Garza, sign Ruiz or Pierz and roll the dice at 2B

 

Sign Cano and Jiminez, trade for a C

 

C) Sign McCann and a decent C, trade for league average 2B

[Stangstag]

Garza is a "big fish"?

[Frenchsoup]

Garza is a "big fish"?

 

yeah not a big fan of Garza, i'll take Ubaldo all day over him.

[G-Snarls]

My point is, they cheap out (trade for Hanigan, play goins at 2B, sign a third tier ASAP to a minor league contract) they're doomed.

 

He needs to buy a 5 win upgrade somewhere. It could be catcher (McCann), 2B (Cano) or SP (not sure who qualifies there but let's say Tanaka or Garza are most likely to provide extra wins).

[Frenchsoup]

given his injury history yeah.

[G-Snarls]

Garza is a "big fish"?

 

Sadly, it's a weak year for free agent starters.

[GD]

yeah not a big fan of Garza, i'll take Ubaldo all day over him.

 

Lol are you serious

 

I'd take neither

[GD]

There's only one big fish out there, and the Angels aren't giving him up.

 

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[HERPDERP]

it's as if shes slowly sitting on something big

[Laika]

Please give me a solid example of how signing a big FA fish has ever helped a team move forward from a crummy situation where the in-house talent isn't good enough, the farm is mediocre at best, and the financial situation is near the upper limits.

 

Angels fans were probably pretty happy when that team signed Pujols, CJ Wilson, and Hamilton, right? That's THREE big fish, and all they did was help the boat sink quicker.

 

AA needs a bucket, not a lunker. Start bailing water (eg. making responsible decisions) and maybe the SS Anthopoulos won't sink.

[Caper]

I really think starting pitching has a chance to be a lot better this year, without doing anything.... There are just so many wildcards right now, from Drabek to DMac and Stroman to Hutch, that I just think there is enough of a chance that some of these guys hit.

[Angrioter]

I really think starting pitching has a chance to be a lot better this year, without doing anything.... There are just so many wildcards right now, from Drabek to DMac and Stroman to Hutch, that I just think there is enough of a chance that some of these guys hit.

 

The Blue Jays rotation will not improve enough with free agency. Sanchez, Stroman and Hutchison are the men who will make a difference if they remain with the team.

Trade Bautista and get a young OF + decent SP is a good idea right now; Trade Stroman-Sanchez and keep Bautista is not.

[ace3113]

AA's a Gay Fish.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky9NwfmLuZs

[Angrioter]

AA's a Gay Fish.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky9NwfmLuZs

 

Jays front office

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-PtEJEaqY

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Please give me a solid example of how signing a big FA fish has ever helped a team move forward from a crummy situation where the in-house talent isn't good enough, the farm is mediocre at best, and the financial situation is near the upper limits.

 

Angels fans were probably pretty happy when that team signed Pujols, CJ Wilson, and Hamilton, right? That's THREE big fish, and all they did was help the boat sink quicker.

 

AA needs a bucket, not a lunker. Start bailing water (eg. making responsible decisions) and maybe the SS Anthopoulos won't sink.

 

Its happened many times I just don't have an example off the top of my head. The financial situation is not at the upper limits, that's a myth. There is

a fair bit of talent on the team, they underperformed last year and these kind of these teams tend to get far better the next season. As for the impact of signing free agents, Boston and Cleveland signed numerous B list type free agents last season and they both got a lot better even without adding stars.

 

People overreact on this forum. Baseball being what it is, there is a huge unpredictability factor that plays out each year. If the Jays add one solid pitcher, one solid hitter, and a decent catcher this off season, don't count them out. It might be all they need to turn this thing around.

[kgm1]

Please give me a solid example of how signing a big FA fish has ever helped a team move forward from a crummy situation where the in-house talent isn't good enough, the farm is mediocre at best, and the financial situation is near the upper limits.

 

Angels fans were probably pretty happy when that team signed Pujols, CJ Wilson, and Hamilton, right? That's THREE big fish, and all they did was help the boat sink quicker.

 

AA needs a bucket, not a lunker. Start bailing water (eg. making responsible decisions) and maybe the SS Anthopoulos won't sink.

 

LOL NJH , At least when I come on the board you , the Stache or Spanky make me laugh .

 

### AA needs a bucket, not a lunker. Start bailing water (eg. making responsible decisions) and maybe the SS Anthopoulos won't sink. ####

 

Now that may be the best one ever on this board

 

Hurl has it right , Hope and Pray .

 

Still , whenever I get real depressed about this team I think about how screwed the Yankees are even if they spend 75 mil and try and stay under the Dodgers instead of the luxury tax

[Dick_Pole]

Yankees don't have teenagers posting on their message boards who aren't familiar with playoff games for their team.

[TheHurl]

LOL NJH , when I come on you, the Stache or Spanky

 

???

[Key22]

On another board I noted that all the playoff teams last year had the top team pitching ERA with the exception of the Royals who led the AL but score 200 fewer runs than Boston and 100 fewer runs than the lowest AL team to make the playoffs. In the NL the teams in were all the league leaders in ERA. Toronto was 12th.

 

You need a team that scores runs - don't care how but the team needs to score about 700 runs and have an ERA around 3.6 and they will likely get into the playoffs. Maybe a bit better given the AL East.

 

The team on paper looks better this year going into spring training.

 

1. _____

2. Dickey

3. Beurhle

4. _____

5. _____

 

Depth looks far better with injured players back (One of these slots into the 5 spot): Happ, Morrow, Rogers, Hutchison, Jenkins, Redmond, Romero, Nolin, Drabek, McGowan, Stroman

 

Then the Jays look for a top of the rotation started 1-3. And an solid healthy innings eating starter to be a number 3/4. Jiminez is the best FA starter because he has the biggest upside of the lot and has flashed brilliance at times. Garza is a chandelier. Santana and Tanaka will cost too much. Jiminez being brought in as the number 4 starter takes the expectation and pressure off him.

 

Then you make a trade to get a starter at top - an ace isn't likely but a solid 200 innings 4 era number 2-3 would at least allow the offense to have a shot. I don;t think the team can rely on Morrow - also a chandelier and Romero is possibly done. Hutchison can't be relied on for a big number of innings.

[dineke]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/oh_c-mon.gif

 

I hate that bitch... but she's hot.

[ace3113]

On another board I noted that all the playoff teams last year had the top team pitching ERA with the exception of the Royals who led the AL but score 200 fewer runs than Boston and 100 fewer runs than the lowest AL team to make the playoffs. In the NL the teams in were all the league leaders in ERA. Toronto was 12th.

 

You need a team that scores runs - don't care how but the team needs to score about 700 runs and have an ERA around 3.6 and they will likely get into the playoffs. Maybe a bit better given the AL East.

 

The team on paper looks better this year going into spring training.

 

1. _____

2. Dickey

3. Beurhle

4. _____

5. _____

 

Depth looks far better with injured players back (One of these slots into the 5 spot): Happ, Morrow, Rogers, Hutchison, Jenkins, Redmond, Romero, Nolin, Drabek, McGowan, Stroman

 

Then the Jays look for a top of the rotation started 1-3. And an solid healthy innings eating starter to be a number 3/4. Jiminez is the best FA starter because he has the biggest upside of the lot and has flashed brilliance at times. Garza is a chandelier. Santana and Tanaka will cost too much. Jiminez being brought in as the number 4 starter takes the expectation and pressure off him.

 

Then you make a trade to get a starter at top - an ace isn't likely but a solid 200 innings 4 era number 2-3 would at least allow the offense to have a shot. I don;t think the team can rely on Morrow - also a chandelier and Romero is possibly done. Hutchison can't be relied on for a big number of innings.

 

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[kgm1]

???

I stated that they gave me a chuckle. You didn't,t find his whole quote on AANeeding a bucket rather than a linker funny . He put together a pretty funny analogy of the situation

 

May a well post something funny which Nick did and Spanky does as just print whining like boxy does

 

Don,t take it wrong , laughing at how he worded it . It is true . We are in deep s*** and all we can do is hope and pray.

[kgm1]

You said that you "come" (cum) on NJH, BTS, and Spanky. It was not what you meant to say but Hurl was quoting it because it was funny.

 

 

Now I admit that one went way over my head.

 

I still think Nick,s quote about AA needing a bucket instead of a linker was WAY funnier . If I knew how to put it on the bottom of all my posts I would but I,m to computer illiterate to do other that copy and paste

[Boxcar]

I stated that they gave me a chuckle. You didn't,t find his whole quote on AANeeding a bucket rather than a linker funny . He put together a pretty funny analogy of the situation

 

May a well post something funny which Nick did and Spanky does as just print whining like boxy does

 

Don,t take it wrong , laughing at how he worded it . It is true . We are in deep s*** and all we can do is hope and pray.

 

I just want to point out the irony in this post since I have not responded to this guy in this thread at all. Whiners who whine about whiners are the worst.

[Key22]

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Done! The Yankees are said to be willing to post at $75million+. So I'm not sure the good it will do. Can Rogers justify $80 million when they're complaining that American telephone companies are coming in. On the one hand crying poverty and on the other dropping $80million just to talk to the guy and then dole out another 80 million. With private owners in New York they can do whatever they want because it's their money. Corps have a tougher time if they dole out cash and then don;t give raises to their employees. And if they CAN in fact post and justify it then they should be able to outbid most teams.

[Key22]

That is true - but even if the player and team come to an agreement - there is $80million lump sum cash payout that does not go to payroll. I'd love them to do it but it does make their "poor us and evil big spending American Verizon is going to kill us little guys" argument rather laughable.

[Angrioter]

You get the money back if the player and team don't reach a contract agreement.

 

Bid new formula (high bid + 2nd high bid)/2

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Free agency is not how you build a team. AA needs to spend money on rebuilding the farm system he ruined out of sheer incompetence while dumping the overpaid/overrated detritus from the major league roster.