GM's Meetings Thread

[Angrioter]

Tanaka could be five. Either by leaving the sixth to arbitration, or writing only five years of control into the contract. I also doubt Santana gets more than five years -- maybe 4/60 or 5/70.

 

Are you sure? ------> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuRs7ESmE2v5dEEzSFg3R3VGYlFrdmF3bkQtZTJBWFE#gid=0

 

So far

Tanaka 5,5 Years

Cano 8,5 Years

Ervin 4.3 Years lol

[Abomination]

No Cano, Tanaka, Garza and Santana

 

It doesn't make much difference for us regardless. Cano would be nice, but it just isn't happening. The Yankees will blow everyone out of the water on Tanaka assuming they still want to get under the luxury tax threshhold this year. It's basically a no brainer for them to bid high on him. Ellsbury isn't a need for us and will likely get a contract someone regrets sooner rather than later. Garza isn't the pitcher we need right now, and Santana is a bad fit in our division.

[mitchf]

f*** I'm not even mad about AA's 5 year policy.

 

It's the only thing he does right in my opinion. Cano at 36/37 year for 25+ million per? Yikes.

 

Remember, we're roughly 2 years away from the entire front office being fired and somebody new stepping in. We don't need more immovable contracts.

[G-Snarls]

You can speculate on who will give it to him here: http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/1676-Blue-Jays-Message-Board-Free-Agent-Prediction-Contest

 

Please start entering everyone!

 

On Ruiz... I'd probably give him 2/30 if a gun was put to my head. He's a better bet than anyone else we could bring in.

 

LOL, enough!

[Ziggyy108]

That tweet from Shi broke my heart. I wanted Cano.

[connorp]

Did Ruiz really sign with the Red Sox?

 

No. Confirmed fake account

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

No Cano, Tanaka, Garza and Santana

 

Can't say I blame him for milking the one smart idea he's ever had for everything it's worth.

[connorp]

I added a median row.

 

Tanaka: 5, 11

Cano: 8, 25

Ervin: 4, 14

Jemenez: 4, 13.5

 

Cano is the only one probable to get 6+ years.

 

Jacoby will

[connorp]

You almost done with your picks?

 

I did part 2 already. Will work on part 1 today and tomorrow

[Ziggyy108]

So sad about no Cano :(

[Abomination]

Good. They had it on Sportsnet and I was like f***. Ruiz should be our guy.

 

I'd say the fact that no one knows who made the offer is a really good sign that it might BE us.

[Angrioter]

I have a diversion from Twitter for you: Enter the Official Board FAP Contest.

 

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/1676-Blue-Jays-Message-Board-Free-Agent-Prediction-Contest

 

Get your picks in before more free agents start to sign!

 

You would be an excellent drug dealer ......... I love your persistence.

[ace3113]

Ruiz would be great at 2/20. Going up to 2/25 wouldn't be bad as well. Probably will net us at least 4 additional wins over JP

 

I would go up to 2/24 or 3/27 . We NEED an upgrade at catcher and he is that. I really hope we can get him. I truly believe a competent catcher will help improve our rotation.

 

[Angrioter]

I would go up to 2/24 or 3/27 . We NEED an upgrade at catcher and he is that. I really hope we can get him. I truly believe a competent catcher will help improve our rotation.

 

 

Under roids influence...Right?

[Abomination]

Some interesting tidbits from AA (more than just Cano)

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-wont-budge-club-policy-for-cano/

 

In particular, that affordability of any free agents isn't a question, but rather if they like the player at that price. Also, that demand for their relievers has been high (inquiries on at least 10 relievers). Kawasaki is weighing offers from several Japanese teams, but AA is hopeful of retaining him.

[GeorgiaPeach]

You would be an excellent drug dealer ......... I love your persistence.

 

From what I've heard dealers give you a little one time present/freebie, you get hooked and all of a sudden you're seeking them out.

 

Quite the opposite of persistence.

[Boxcar]

I'm having a difficult time understanding why Amaro and his old/expensive as f*** "win now" team would let Ruiz walk over 2/20.

 

Didn't accumulate nearly enough RBIs.

[connorp]

Any updates on Ruiz?

 

You mean other than the fact that he f***ed your mom?.. no.. no new news other than that

[Ziggyy108]

I will not lose hope on Cano until he signs elsewhere.

 

Those comments from AA absolutely do not rule hime out like Shi's tweet and article say.

 

Let's gooooooooooooo

[Angrioter]

From what I've heard dealers give you a little one time present/freebie, you get hooked and all of a sudden you're seeking them out.

 

Quite the opposite of persistence.

 

Old method...

New method: My new product is more expensive, for that reason I try to convince you that the old s*** you're eating is s*** and you should buy from me the new drugs.

[jaysblue]

I'm having a difficult time understanding why Amaro and his old/expensive as f*** "win now" team would let Ruiz walk over 2/20.

 

Though Amaro wants to sign Marlon Byrd at the same price almost. Pretty awful.

[Stangstag]

You guys aren't going to like this, but the more and more research I do and video I watch, JPA was clearly an above average framer this year. Apparently Fasano worked extensively with him in the offseason and he improved greatly. He was well below average before and now he is above average. In a lot of the video I watched this year, he shows almost impeccable mechanics, no return glove movement (Doumit's specialty) and he only drops his head a little bit now.

http://archive.org/download/TWiCF726/Best2.gif

 

Get out

[Abomination]

I definitely noticed an improvement. If it wasn't for confirmation bias, most people here would view JP as a decent framer. But he's still a below-average defender overall.

 

I'm not so sure he is overall (or at least wouldn't be with a full time instructor on the staff). Regardless, his stubbornness with the bat and especially the antics when people criticized him this year make me want him gone.

[ace3113]

Under roids influence...Right?

 

Maybe.

[connorp]

Though Amaro wants to sign Marlon Byrd at the same price almost. Pretty awful.

 

All of that may suggest there's stuff behind the scenes other than $. Some ill will between sides maybe that didnt go public. Maybe to do with the suspension or injury.. or that Ruiz didnt get extended last year..

[Angrioter]

http://gamereax.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jpaOFthrow.gif

 

http://i.imgur.com/WGky2oE.gif

[Angrioter]

Interesting twist on the offseason if JPA is indeed a good framer: we could sign a catcher and not alter our Steamer projections at all. Currently we're at:

 

Jimininez = 0.1 WAR 33 PA

JPA = 1 WAR 328 PA

Thole = 0.8 WAR 297 PA

 

Total = 1.9 projected fWAR + JPA's positive framing

 

If we were to sign, say, AJ Pierzynski and trade JPA, assume Jiminez gets his 33 PA, and keep Thole as the backup with reduced PA, we'd have:

 

Jimininez = 0.1 WAR 33 PA

Pierzynski = 2.1 WAR 447 PA

Thole = 0.5 WAR 178 PA

 

Total = 2.7 projected fWAR +/- Pierzynski's framing.

 

So If JPA is a better framer than Pierzynski, we come out roughly even.

 

JPA to the defense improved a lot ..................But he has become an awful hitter.

[z3r0s]

But...

Ruiz ~ 12.8 runs/1000

McCann ~9.9 runs/1000

Salty ~5.9 runs/1000

 

JPA ~5.1 runs/1000

 

Pierzynski ~-0.7 runs/1000

 

There are better options.

 

I really want Ruiz.

[Abomination]

I won't be revealing my process and data yet, but I will take requests for certain catchers.

 

How did Jose Molina do, since he often seems to be one of the leaders?

[Angrioter]

I really want Ruiz.

 

What about Kardashian ass? ---- She isn't latin as Ruiz ,but she's sexy too.

 

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