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[BarrysSyringe]

As per Bob Nightendale. Very interesting to hear this. Hes under a very good contract and hasn't AA been a fan of his for a while? Discuss.

[GD]

This has already been discussed a lot lol

 

Depends on the price

[Laika]

49 million for the age 33-36 seasons of a previously overrated middle infielder who just posted a measly 2.6 fWAR in a fully healthy season.

 

Phillips is a 'meh' player and a negligible asset, with an inflated ego.

 

So the Jays, of course, will probably target him and pay way too much.

[GD]

Phillips is a 'meh' player and a negligible asset, with an inflated ego.

 

Damn, you really hate Phillips' ego, so I've noticed.

[BarrysSyringe]

49 million for the age 33-36 seasons of a previously overrated middle infielder who just posted a measly 2.6 fWAR in a fully healthy season.

 

Phillips is a 'meh' player and a negligible asset, with an inflated ego.

 

So the Jays, of course, will probably target him and pay way too much.

Hes much better than you give him credit for. Hes an unbelievable defender and had a down year with the bat but 4 years and 50 million i think is a bargain for him

[GD]

but 4 years and 50 million i think is a bargain for him

 

That certainly isn't the word choice I would use.

[jays4life19]

As long as Ryan Goins isn't the starting 2nd basemen next year i could get on board with pretty much anything. My first choice would be to give Melky a roids buddy and see if we could grab Jhonny Peralta. I like his position flexibility and he seems to be doing alright in the extremely small sample that is the playoffs.

[Laika]

Hes much better than you give him credit for. Hes an unbelievable defender and had a down year with the bat but 4 years and 50 million i think is a bargain for him

 

No, no, and no.

[Sammy225]

I forget where I said this, but I said AA is going to panic and do something completely stupid. The stars are aligning. Goodbye Sanchez.

[BlueJayWay]

I forget where I said this, but I said AA is going to panic and do something completely stupid. The stars are aligning. Goodbye Sanchez.

I think you're right. In for a penny, in for a pound. AA is all in now, he's going to double down.

[leaffie]

I forget where I said this, but I said AA is going to panic and do something completely stupid. The stars are aligning. Goodbye Sanchez.

 

Maybe he read Keith Law's latest assessment of him. Kind of disappointing.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Maybe he read Keith Law's latest assessment of him. Kind of disappointing.

 

Is there a link?

[jaysblue]

I'm not a big fan of Phillips, though I can see AA targeting him this offseason, especially since he probably was familiar with Phillips during his Expo days. The thing that scares me as every other poster is the idea of AA giving up a prospect like Sanchez, or Stroman to land Phillips.

[kgm1]

As long as Ryan Goins isn't the starting 2nd basemen next year i could get on board with pretty much anything. My first choice would be to give Melky a roids buddy and see if we could grab Jhonny Peralta. I like his position flexibility and he seems to be doing alright in the extremely small sample that is the playoffs.

 

AA from everything I've read has his priorities as

 

1) Starting Pitching

2) depending on Morrow,s health Starting pitching

3) Catcher

4) LF , depending on Melky,s health

Lastly 2nd base

 

Unless AA has a lot more money than I think Expect Goins and his 650 OPS to be at 2nd .

[kgm1]

I'm not a big fan of Phillips, though I can see AA targeting him this offseason, especially since he probably was familiar with Phillips during his Expo days. The thing that scares me as every other poster is the idea of AA giving up a prospect like Sanchez, or Stroman to land Phillips.

 

God that would be a disaster to gut our minors again but I actually don't worry about this deal. AA has bigger holes to fill than 2nd . I have resigned myself to Goins at 2nd

[dineke]

If AA pays for an old 2nd basemen with a big contract one year after giving Yunel Escobar away for nothing just... lol.

[kgm1]

Lol, no way they'll be going with Goins.

 

Jay , your expected budget is bigger than mine

[z3r0s]

No, no, and no.

 

Devils advocate, haven't you been championing the 1 WAR = ~9M (literally asking, can't remember who was putting that number out there)... which would make him a potential bargin if he's a 3 WAR player.

[kgm1]

As long as Ryan Goins isn't the starting 2nd basemen next year i could get on board with pretty much anything. My first choice would be to give Melky a roids buddy and see if we could grab Jhonny Peralta. I like his position flexibility and he seems to be doing alright in the extremely small sample that is the playoffs.

 

I want nothing to do with a poor defensive SS , Old , Roid monkey, who hasn't played 2nd and will likely be a disaster defensively on Turf

[Laika]

Devils advocate, haven't you been championing the 1 WAR = ~9M (literally asking, can't remember who was putting that number out there)... which would make him a potential bargin if he's a 3 WAR player.

 

That's nox's number. I don't really know what it is but it might be close to that with the concurrent/impending contract inflation.

 

I don't think Phillips produces 12 wins in the next 4 years though. Maybe you get 8 out of him. I think 12 would be on the very high end of any sensible projections. If he is indeed in decline, as it looked this year, then you'd get about 2.1+1.6+1.1+0.6. That's only 5.4 widgets, so even at 9M per weiner, he's a non-asset. Mind you, he could possibly still fluke put up 5.4 in a single season.

 

Analyzing contracts like this is all very hand-wavy. Lots of broad strokes and ballpark projections that make projected values almost useful for any specific player. But if you're a baseball ops guy in a FO, I think all that you can do is try to land on the favourable side of things on every investment, and even though you'll probably look wrong on a lot of the specifics, in general you probably end up in the green.

[DuckDuckGose]

That's nox's number. I don't really know what it is but it might be close to that with the concurrent/impending contract inflation.

 

I don't think Phillips produces 12 wins in the next 4 years though. Maybe you get 8 out of him. I think 12 would be on the very high end of any sensible projections. If he is indeed in decline, as it looked this year, then you'd get about 2.1+1.6+1.1+0.6. That's only 5.4 widgets, so even at 9M per weiner, he's a non-asset. Mind you, he could possibly still fluke put up 5.4 in a single season.

 

Analyzing contracts like this is all very hand-wavy. Lots of broad strokes and ballpark projections that make projected values almost useful for any specific player. But if you're a baseball ops guy in a FO, I think all that you can do is try to land on the favourable side of things on every investment, and even though you'll probably look wrong on a lot of the specifics, in general you probably end up in the green.

 

TBH I'd be more interested in Billy Hamilton.

[Laika]

TBH I'd be more interested in Billy Hamilton.

 

Not sure if this is a joke or not.

 

a) you can't have him

terrible idea anyway. He's a massively overrated prospect that would cost twoonies on the dollar.

[GD]

No, no, and no.

 

Why don't you agree that he's an excellent defender? He's averaged a 9.99 (so damn close) Defense/150 for his career, that's like 1.1 wins on average.

[Laika]

Why don't you agree that he's an excellent defender? He's averaged a 9.99 (so damn close) Defense/150 for his career, that's like 1.1 wins on average.

 

The guy said "unbelievable". He's been very good, but he certainly hasn't been generational or anything and he probably wouldn't project to be much more than average going forward, considering his age.

[GD]

The guy said "unbelievable". He's been very good, but he certainly hasn't been generational or anything and he probably wouldn't project to be much more than average going forward, considering his age.

 

So I guess it's more of a "how do you define unbelievable" sort of thing. Alright, fair enough, I agree.

[Laika]

So I guess it's more of a "how do you define unbelievable" sort of thing. Alright, fair enough, I agree.

 

Well, no, it's mostly about the fact that he's 33 and any sane person would stop projecting him as a +10 run defender.

[GD]

Well, no, it's mostly about the fact that he's 33 and any sane person would stop projecting him as a +10 run defender.

 

How would you project his defense? Steamer has him at 7.8 (like .8 wins) and semantics withstanding that's pretty friggin' good.

[DuckDuckGose]

Not sure if this is a joke or not.

 

a) you can't have him

terrible idea anyway. He's a massively overrated prospect that would cost twoonies on the dollar.

 

a) I know, The Reds wont move him when his value is down

How could you possibly know that?

[Laika]

How could you possibly know that?

 

I don't "know" anything. Apologies for not qualifying every f***ing sentence with a probably, a maybe, or a likely. I do my best to be a non-absolutist, I swear.

[jays4life19]

You seem a bit ornery today. Wanna hug it out?

 

I don't post here much, but what's up with the tb rays profile pic?