Alex Anthopoulos Vs JP Ricciardi: 2013 edition

[TwistedLogic]

Whining about trivial things apparently still is, though.

 

http://i.imgur.com/RN70TUF.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/RN70TUF.gif

[glory]

I think Ricciardi's tenure was screwed up due to Burnett's contract and injuries. If Burnett didn't have the opt-out and Marcum/McGowan stayed healthy, that 2009 team (which somehow had an 84 win pythag despite its s***** pitching after Halladay and Romero) would have been a legit contender. The 2008 team was criminally underrated; a 92 win pythag in an insanely stacked division, with the best pitching in baseball. If they could have kept that group together and healthy, I would have liked their chances in 2009 and 2010 of at least being the playoff conversation.

 

Ricciardi's teams were good. Not good enough, but good. More than I can say for AA.

[ElNik2013]

I think Ricciardi's tenure was screwed up due to Burnett's contract and injuries. If Burnett didn't have the opt-out and Marcum/McGowan stayed healthy, that 2009 team (which somehow had an 84 win pythag despite its s***** pitching after Halladay and Romero) would have been a legit contender. The 2008 team was criminally underrated; a 92 win pythag in an insanely stacked division, with the best pitching in baseball. If they could have kept that group together and healthy, I would have liked their chances in 2009 and 2010 of at least being the playoff conversation.

 

Ricciardi's teams were good. Not good enough, but good. More than I can say for AA.

 

 

They seem to have the same injury excuse. Big ifs. I couldn't care less whether AA gets fired or not, but JPR had 7-8 years. I think they have the same record after 4 years.

 

I'm one of those who thinks that organizations are built from the top. Some say that Godfrey forced JPR to do certain things, yet scoff at the suggestion that Beeston may have a big hand on the team's obvious change of direction last off season.

 

I'll take a guy like Sternberg or DeWitt and trust that they'll set out the right vision for the GM to execute.

[ElNik2013]

Is there really a huge difference between B.J. Ryan's contract and Papelbon's? Yet Amaro is vilified for signing Papelbon. Imagine if AA gave a closer such a contract...the horror.

 

I know I sound like an AA apologist, but some of the stuff that's said is rather rich.

[Chappy]

I think Ricciardi's tenure was screwed up due to Burnett's contract and injuries. If Burnett didn't have the opt-out and Marcum/McGowan stayed healthy, that 2009 team (which somehow had an 84 win pythag despite its s***** pitching after Halladay and Romero) would have been a legit contender. The 2008 team was criminally underrated; a 92 win pythag in an insanely stacked division, with the best pitching in baseball. If they could have kept that group together and healthy, I would have liked their chances in 2009 and 2010 of at least being the playoff conversation.

 

Ricciardi's teams were good. Not good enough, but good. More than I can say for AA.

 

JPR doesn't get enough credit. He had his deficiencies but he did a lot of good things as well. Same as AA, but everyone wants to make it seem like both are incompetent which isn't the case. We just ended up with two middle of the road GM's and the results speak for themselves. Not every team can have a mastermind and we clearly don't.

[Boxcar]

Is there really a huge difference between B.J. Ryan's contract and Papelbon's? Yet Amaro is vilified for signing Papelbon. Imagine if AA gave a closer such a contract...the horror.

 

I know I sound like an AA apologist, but some of the stuff that's said is rather rich.

 

No one has brought up the Ryan signing as a point for JP.

[Chappy]

Is there really a huge difference between B.J. Ryan's contract and Papelbon's? Yet Amaro is vilified for signing Papelbon. Imagine if AA gave a closer such a contract...the horror.

 

I know I sound like an AA apologist, but some of the stuff that's said is rather rich.

 

LOL at AA giving out a contract.

[ElNik2013]

No one has brought up the Ryan signing as a point for JP.

 

 

 

And I didn't say anyone did. I suggested he made a signing equally stupid to Amaro's signing of Papelbon, the poster boy for GM stupidity....and well deserved I might add.

 

This is not to say that I disliked JPR, he had a decent record as a GM and treated the media rather well, but I don't really dwell on GM's which is why I praise Sternberg and DeWitt first and foremost for the Rays and Cards success.

[ElNik2013]

LOL at AA giving out a contract.

 

 

 

Good point, lol.

[ElNik2013]

JPR doesn't get enough credit. He had his deficiencies but he did a lot of good things as well. Same as AA, but everyone wants to make it seem like both are incompetent which isn't the case. We just ended up with two middle of the road GM's and the results speak for themselves. Not every team can have a mastermind and we clearly don't.

 

 

 

You hit the nail on the head and if every team were run like the Rays, A's and Cards, they wouldn't be so special, would they?

[Chappy]

You hit the nail on the head and if every team were run like the Rays, A's and Cards, they wouldn't be so special, would they?

 

Precisely. AA is quite competent, he is just not in the league of Friedman, etc. We can all joke about his stupidity, but let's be realistic, we know nothing about what goes on behind closed doors.