We apparently cannot use satire in reply to Komodo??

[Olerud363]

OK.

 

So Komodo's thread just got closed. I have no problem with that, there are community standards, there was a little bit of foolishness in the thread.. however there was also an actual serious premise.

 

Komodo's premise (whether he meant it serious or not) is that in this rubbish pile of a season there are some positives to take. One of them apparently being the fact that we are the best team 20 games back. Which is because

 

1. We are in a 20 year cycle where we never tank badly enough to break the cycle. So even when things go bad, we are the best of the bad teams, and do not get a top 3 draft pick, or a "house-cleaning".

2. Our rival, the Boston Red Sox have the best record in baseball. They are possibly the best organization in baseball, good farm system, best management, best people (A topic of debate to be sure, but some think this).

 

So this is a premise worthy of discussion. That this situation (being the best of the worst so to say) is actually the worst possible situation. Being the best of the 20 game back teams means.

 

1. Our rival(s) are really, really good. So we have just as much work to do to catch up but unlike the baddest bad teams we don't get a top 5 pick (life in the AL East).

2. We're not bad enough to break the 20 year cycle of mediocre teams and management.

3. People who think like Komodo (and who could very well work for Rogers) find small positives which are (ironically) huge negatives, because they just extend the cycle a few more years.

 

So the way the conversation was worded was a bit foolish, OK Beeston may not be Satan incarnate, but he is incompetent (in my opinion) and I should find nicer ways to word it. Really it was just a little bit of satire and exagerration, underneath which there is a serious premise.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

It's a message board.

 

Take a deep breath and go live your life bro.

[Olerud363]

I don't even have 500 posts... living my life is not a problem.

 

Taking a deep breath?? Yes. That is a problem. I seem to go nuts on a few issues....

 

One of which is those who go to ridiculous ends to find positivity and defend this franchise....

 

- acceptable positivity - "I've personally scouted Dickey, Nolin, and Stroman. I also hacked into blue jays mainframe and have Romero's psyche reports. Good news. My scouting indicates Dickey will rebound and Nolin and Stroman are the real deal. Furthermore the psyche reports indicate Romero can be fixed once they find the right dose of medication. I also talked to a hip specialist and Bautista does not have the same injury Bo Jackson did!!!!! He will be back and will play 145 games next year. And Gose, Goins will be great. I am positive next year will be wonderful!!"

 

- unacceptable positivity- Jays 20 back of sox?? wft?? That's positive??

 

OK. Deep breath. Your right. Back to the real world.

[G-Snarls]

Negativity is fine and actually quite understandable

 

It was the bizarreness and lack of useful discussion that made me close it. But now we've got that going on in here.

[G-Snarls]

Might as well let it run for the entertainment.

[Dr. Dinger]

This board was made to escape proven tards like Komodo, he should be banned on sight. And FFS, un-ban Boxy. What did he even do?

[G-Snarls]

And FFS, un-ban Boxy. What did he even do?

 

I don't know. Need to find out from whoever banned him.

[GD]

I don't know. Need to find out from whoever banned him.

 

He got into a fight with Cooler Heads Prevail after Juiced had already issued a warning in the thread. To be honest, a ban was justified, but only like a 5 day one. CHP is another story but Juiced had already said 5 day bans would be issued

[GD]

This motherf***ing thread will not mark as read for me, anyone else getting that problem?

[GeorgiaPeach]

OK.

 

2. Our rival, the Boston Red Sox have the best record in baseball. They are possibly the best organization in baseball, good farm system, best management, best people (A topic of debate to be sure, but some think this).

 

Yes, No, Yes, No....."best people" being who, ownership? Sorry but when Francona and his family were dragged through the mud in that scathing article after the collapse of the team and the players were trashed and there wasn't a peep about MGMT. Sorry, those aren't good people.

[G-Snarls]

This motherf***ing thread will not mark as read for me

 

Must be cause it's so awesome

Edited September 13, 2013 by G-Snarls

[Jays]

He got into a fight with Cooler Heads Prevail after Juiced had already issued a warning in the thread. To be honest, a ban was justified, but only like a 5 day one. CHP is another story but Juiced had already said 5 day bans would be issued

 

Boxy is unbanned but CHP isn't. LOL

[GD]

Boxy is unbanned but CHP isn't. LOL

 

#LovethisBoard

[Olerud363]

Yes, No, Yes, No....."best people" being who, ownership? Sorry but when Francona and his family were dragged through the mud in that scathing article after the collapse of the team and the players were trashed and there wasn't a peep about MGMT. Sorry, those aren't good people.

 

Each has their own defination of good. I've said on a number of ocassions the Boston management isn't necessarilly people you'd want to be best buddies with... they will eat their young. But that is why they are good for the fans.

 

If you are best buddies with Beeston he will look after you, protect you at all costs, give you job after job, make huge sacrafices to the greater goals in order to benefit one person or a small group of people.

 

If you are best buddies with John Henry... don't turn your back. If your behaviour may cost him money, or something he wants (like a winning baseball team) he will destroy you.

 

But in the end John Henry produces a winning organization. Paul Beeston does not.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Each has their own defination of good. I've said on a number of ocassions the Boston management isn't necessarilly people you'd want to be best buddies with... they will eat their young. But that is why they are good for the fans.

 

If you are best buddies with Beeston he will look after you, protect you at all costs, give you job after job, make huge sacrafices to the greater goals in order to benefit one person or a small group of people.

 

If you are best buddies with John Henry... don't turn your back. If your behaviour may cost him money, or something he wants (like a winning baseball team) he will destroy you.

 

But in the end John Henry produces a winning organization. Paul Beeston does not.

 

 

I wasn't aware Beeston was the owner.

[Olerud363]

I wasn't aware Beeston was the owner.

 

Of couse Beeston isn't the owner... But in terms of baseball operations they are at the same level. They are the guy.

 

In moneyball who gave the big sell to Billy Beane?? John Henry. Who hired Bill James and sets the culture for the entire red sox front office?? John Henry.

 

Who sets the culture for the Blue Jays?? Paul Beeston.

[P2F]

This motherf***ing thread will not mark as read for me, anyone else getting that problem?

 

I've noticed that that happens when one of the numpties on my IL has the most recent post in a thread. And because I can't actually access or view that particular post, the thread stays unread.

[GD]

I've noticed that that happens when one of the numpties on my IL has the most recent post in a thread. And because I can't actually access or view that particular post, the thread stays unread.

 

Nah I don't have anyone on my IL, it's more annoying to see that big huge message. If you stay logged in to long then s*** starts to go haywire, just gotta log out and back in.

[EdelweissBouquet]

This board was made to escape proven tards like Komodo, he should be banned on sight. And FFS, un-ban Boxy. What did he even do?

 

Just because someone doesn't agree with the majority, they don't deserve to be banned. It was only a short while ago where AA could do no wrong, and if anyone disagreed with a move, they were an 'idiot'. Now, a good chunk of the board is not happy with some of the things AA has done. Sometimes you need to open your mind a little more, and listen to an opposing opinion.

 

Third, we don't need "Ban him already" posts in every thread. If there is something wrong with the post, report it. If it turns into a problem, we'll take care of it.

 

You ought to be banned according to these rules.. not

only do you call for bans, but also to reverse bans !

[EdelweissBouquet]

The mods will decide which threads and how you will respond to threads.Let them do the job they were chosen to do, they know what is best for this forum. It's a tough thankless job.

[EdelweissBouquet]

Olerud363, there is a positive in being the best of the bad, in that we are in this position due to being in the toughest division. Name any team that would have a better record if they were put in the AL east.

Ok, we don't get a better pick, but would you really want the jays to purposely tank for 2 months, not me.

I don't think we're too far removed from contending for a WC berth next year.

You are one of the better posters, but your stance on blaming cito for our woes i believe is way off base, now beeston..well, that is very plausible.

[Dr. Dinger]

Just because someone doesn't agree with the majority, they don't deserve to be banned. It was only a short while ago where AA could do no wrong, and if anyone disagreed with a move, they were an 'idiot'. Now, a good chunk of the board is not happy with some of the things AA has done. Sometimes you need to open your mind a little more, and listen to an opposing opinion.

 

Third, we don't need "Ban him already" posts in every thread. If there is something wrong with the post, report it. If it turns into a problem, we'll take care of it.

 

You ought to be banned according to these rules.. not

only do you call for bans, but also to reverse bans !

 

I have a pretty good feeling you'll get banned again soon, Komodo.

[EdelweissBouquet]

I have a pretty good feeling you'll get banned again soon, Komodo.

 

 

Just keep your fingers crossed.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Who sets the culture for the Blue Jays?? Paul Beeston.

 

What do you mean by culture? I hope you don't mean on-field decisions or direction, because Beeston is an absolute f***ing idiot in regards to knowing anything that's going on player wise in baseball. The man does not stop yakking about the 92 & 93 Jays teams like he's stuck in time.

[Olerud363]

What do you mean by culture? I hope you don't mean on-field decisions or direction, because Beeston is an absolute f***ing idiot in regards to knowing anything that's going on player wise in baseball. The man does not stop yakking about the 92 & 93 Jays teams like he's stuck in time.

 

That's my point... My understanding is that Beeston doesn't really have a boss... he was hired to find a president for Roger's and he chose himself. Nobody else high up at Rogers has any idea how to evaluate baseball operations. Beeston doesn't have a clue either, but he thinks he does.

[o2cui2i]

That's my point... My understanding is that Beeston doesn't really have a boss... he was hired to find a president for Roger's and he chose himself. Nobody else high up at Rogers has any idea how to evaluate baseball operations. Beeston doesn't have a clue either, but he thinks he does.

 

it seems that AA is in the same boat. doesn't know anything, but his gut does and thus makes all the decisions. that means we cant blame AA and need to instead blame his sports gut.

[EdelweissBouquet]

Rusty.............

 

 

 

http://www.4shared.com/video/sOejZLCC/YouTube_-_Sunny_Afternoon_Girl.html

[GeorgiaPeach]

That's my point... My understanding is that Beeston doesn't really have a boss... he was hired to find a president for Roger's and he chose himself. Nobody else high up at Rogers has any idea how to evaluate baseball operations. Beeston doesn't have a clue either, but he thinks he does.

 

Essentially Beeston does have a boss.

 

If Alex's ear was taken by Beeston's about Team Building and that's what Alex diverted to from what he was doing. He should've just resigned for changing direction, not trusting what he was doing and listening to someone stuck in 1992 & 93 like most of the fanbase.