Topps Baseball to have WAR on the back of cards

[Angrioter]

One of the most angrily grunted complaint against newer baseball statistics is that if it’s not good enough to be on the back of baseball cards who needs it?

[Captain Adama]

Who still buys baseball cards?

[Angrioter]

Who still buys baseball cards?

 

That's the reason, increase sales.

[Errorcebia]

Who still buys baseball cards?

 

I sometimes walk by a small and shady looking collectible card shop on my street, and the place is absolutely packed in the evening.

[Deadpool]

I sometimes walk by a small and shady looking collectible card shop on my street, and the place is absolutely packed in the evening.

 

Magic tournaments?

[Olerud363]

One of the most angrily grunted complaint against newer baseball statistics is that if it’s not good enough to be on the back of baseball cards who needs it?

 

My complaint is the imperfections in measuring defense.

 

Bonifacio is a plus defensive player this year?? According to WAR he is.

 

On base percentage, Slugging, Park Factor, Range Factor. 4 statistics is all you need.

 

I don't see how using WAR gets anyone anywhere. I suppose it's good for putting performance into context. Big fat first basemen with lot of rbbbizzzz!!!! Do we need WAR?? Or just common sense to put that into context??

 

If any front office appreciates on base and slugging in context of league and park, glances at range factors, relies on scouts and popular opinion for the rest of defense... then they are good at developing players and keeping players consistent... that a good organization.

 

I am not saying WAR is bad....

 

What I am saying is that I don't see much of an advantage over on base, slugging, park factor, range factor.

 

For the range factor you tallk about it with the scouts... so and so has a high/low range factor is it real?? Or is it a reflection of circumstances. Shoot the s*** a bit and come up with an intelligent defensive rating.

 

You do all that your fine.

[Olerud363]

Magic tournaments?

 

One of my friends who was skeptical about the Blue jays offseason moves is a huge magic player. I did not predict the collapse. A lot of rain man types I know predicted it exactly.

 

"Nice moves by your team. you must be excited. I wanted to choose those players for my fantasy team but coulnd't this year because I have to much money riding on it. I spent January making my aging curves and injury acutrials... oh boy. Not players that you can bet real money on... but in a fun fantasy league I'd draft them. Just can't afford to lose money this year because I plan to put all the fantasy baseball money back into magic next winter. Really need the money. But nice moves anyway."

 

This just got me thinking some semi-pro magic player who does fantasy on the side wouldn't bet real money on the Blue Jays moves?? Anthopoulous doesn't have real money involved. Just Rogers monopoly money.

[Angrioter]

My complaint is the imperfections in measuring defense.

 

Bonifacio is a plus defensive player this year?? According to WAR he is.

 

On base percentage, Slugging, Park Factor, Range Factor. 4 statistics is all you need.

 

I don't see how using WAR gets anyone anywhere. I suppose it's good for putting performance into context. Big fat first basemen with lot of rbbbizzzz!!!! Do we need WAR?? Or just common sense to put that into context??

 

If any front office appreciates on base and slugging in context of league and park, glances at range factors, relies on scouts and popular opinion for the rest of defense... then they are good at developing players and keeping players consistent... that a good organization.

 

I am not saying WAR is bad....

 

What I am saying is that I don't see much of an advantage over on base, slugging, park factor, range factor.

 

For the range factor you tallk about it with the scouts... so and so has a high/low range factor is it real?? Or is it a reflection of circumstances. Shoot the s*** a bit and come up with an intelligent defensive rating.

 

You do all that your fine.

 

Like the offensive, the defense also varies with the years. There are defense slumps.

To grade the defense of a player, the best way is analize 3 defensive years because one year isn't a good parameter.

[Deadpool]

One of my friends who was skeptical about the Blue jays offseason moves is a huge magic player. I did not predict the collapse. A lot of rain man types I know predicted it exactly.

 

"Nice moves by your team. you must be excited. I wanted to choose those players for my fantasy team but coulnd't this year because I have to much money riding on it. I spent January making my aging curves and injury acutrials... oh boy. Not players that you can bet real money on... but in a fun fantasy league I'd draft them. Just can't afford to lose money this year because I plan to put all the fantasy baseball money back into magic next winter. Really need the money. But nice moves anyway."

 

This just got me thinking some semi-pro magic player who does fantasy on the side wouldn't bet real money on the Blue Jays moves?? Anthopoulous doesn't have real money involved. Just Rogers monopoly money.

 

Maybe I should get back into Magic, if it makes me a better baseball talent evaluator... Unfortunately, none of my cards are tournament legal anymore since they're all 4th edition and earlier...

[Boxcar]

Maybe I should get back into Magic, if it makes me a better baseball talent evaluator... Unfortunately, none of my cards are tournament legal anymore since they're all 4th edition and earlier...

 

Some of the cards in the Alpha set are worth hundreds, and a few are worth thousands. Wish I'd been collecting in the early 90s.

 

Also, I find the game now a lot more fun than it used to be. The cards work together better and most everything is costed properly. Pay 10 bucks and buy Magic 2014 on Steam if you wanna get back into it, you get a free mini booster and a foil alternate art rare (and it's a pretty awesome card.)

[Boxcar]

I sometimes walk by a small and shady looking collectible card shop on my street, and the place is absolutely packed in the evening.

 

Yeah man, that's all MTG. That's where collectible shops make all their money.

[Deadpool]

Some of the cards in the Alpha set are worth hundreds, and a few are worth thousands. Wish I'd been collecting in the early 90s.

 

Unfortunately, I don't have too many Alpha or Beta cards (a couple here and there, I used to play for ante so I did manage to win a couple), my most valuable card is a Two-Headed Giant of Foriys from Unlimited. (actually, just checked for the first time in a decade, motherf***er has depreciated HUGE. Only worth about $15 now, I guess my Revised Dual-Lands are now the most valuable ones I have...)

 

Upon checking, my Mishra's Workshop from the Antiquities set is apparently worth about $300... Nice.

[Errorcebia]

Magic tournaments?

 

No, this store only seems to sell sports cards, and the place isn't big enough for tournaments. There's other much larger stores that have the magic and yu gi oh kind of stuff going on.

[Deadpool]

No, this store only seems to sell sports cards, and the place isn't big enough for tournaments. There's other much larger stores that have the magic and yu gi oh kind of stuff going on.

 

Ever been in the basement of a card store? It's not the torture dungeon you imagine it to be.

 

Oh fond nerd highschool memories.

[Nox]

Slugging? Really? If you're going to say an offensive stat at least say wOBA with OBP.

 

Why bother with OBP when you have wOBA?

[Nox]

My complaint is the imperfections in measuring defense.

 

You mean how they're almost exactly the same as the imperfections in measuring offence?

 

As in, ball in play offensive metrics take longer to stabilize than empirical measures of defence do?

[G-Snarls]

Like the offensive, the defense also varies with the years. There are defense slumps.

To grade the defense of a player, the best way is analize 3 defensive years because one year isn't a good parameter.

 

I think most would acknowledge that measuring a player's impact on team wins based on his offense is easier than measuring it based on their defence.

[KSaw]

The official scorer impacts defensive WAR. Scorers are harder on good fielders. An elite fielder is expected to make harder plays and gets scored accordingly.

[Nox]

The official scorer impacts defensive WAR.

 

What sort of none point is this? The official scorer has an effect on just about ever dinometric out there.