Dirk is right, trade Casey!

[Vdubfan]

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we have a very deep, controllable bullpen with pieces coming off the DL soon as well. Saves are overrated, and 2B has been a black hole all year. Should be shooting for studs like Castellanos from Detroit/Carpenter or Wong from STL. Straight up, you might not get this deal, but add a piece and I think Detroit is desperate enough to do it. Plus Casey costs 4 mil next year, desirable for a team with as huge a payroll as Detroit has.

[DwightDM]

Yup. I love Casey but now is the time to trade him. We have a good deep pen and who knows when his arm might fall off again.

[Tuco]

Agreed.

This move seems like a no brainer really.

[z3r0s]

I have no problem trading Casey this year if the market is good (and I do enjoy watching him pitch).

 

A closer isn't going to make or break our season, our starters will.

[HERPDERP]

So who would you guys feel comfortable in the 9th?

 

Has to be Delabar right?

 

Then either Cecil gets pushed up or we hope Santos comes back healthy.

 

People keep forgetting about Santos

[G-Snarls]

So who would you guys feel comfortable in the 9th?

 

Has to be Delabar right?

 

Then either Cecil gets pushed up or we hope Santos comes back healthy.

 

People keep forgetting about Santos

 

I'd use Delabar or Cecil on any given night depending on the matchups and level of rest

 

When Santos is back he's your 8th inning guy at first but could win back the closer role if he's lights out

[imsorry4beatinU]

AA didn't even trade Oliver last year at the deadline. Actually, he's never traded anyone at the deadline. I don't expect he'll start now.

 

Also didn't even trade Brandon Lyon when he was dominating last year after coming over.

[G-Snarls]

AA didn't even trade Oliver last year at the deadline. Actually, he's never traded anyone at the deadline. I don't expect he'll start now.

 

True. He seems to be a buyer every trade deadline.

[z3r0s]

Super frustrating having expendable relievers every year that never get traded.

[Caper]

Team would do great if it got a kid like Kolten Wong for a Neil Wagner and Casey Jansen. It would sting like hell. But the depth would be great.

[imsorry4beatinU]

We also have good depth in AAA team in Stilson, Lincoln and Carreno

[G-Snarls]

We also have good depth in AAA team in Stilson, Lincoln and Carreno

 

Yep. Crazy to have all that even with Wagner and Perez in the bigs and Santos on the DL

 

Crazy depth. (sadly, the only area we have depth...)

[G-Snarls]

He seems to like being a 'builder' at the deadline. Trying to improve the team for both the current and future years. The trades for Rasmus, Lincoln and Delabar trades come to mind.

 

Trading Janssen is just simple baseball logic. We have so many good relievers that it's forced a three-man bench. Dangle Janssen, Oliver, maybe others to buy low on a starting pitcher.

 

Exactly right. And I love a good value acquisition at any time. Rasmus, Delabar, Escobar, etc all good trades any time you do them. He's always looking for similar deals and I'm sure he is right now as well.

[Mikeleelop]

We now have an 8 man bullpen Jansen, Delebar, Cecil(L), Loup(L), Oliver(L), Wagner, Perez (L) and McGowen

We have 5 starters Dickey, Johnson, Buerhle(L), Rogers, Redmond

 

On the DL we have Morrow, Happ (L), Hutchison, Luis Perez (L), Santos

and in the minors we have Drabek, Stilson, Nolin(L), Stroman, Lincoln, Correno, Romero(L)

 

What am I saying? Basically they should trade Jansen and Oliver to make room for the young guys and pitchers returning from the DL. I think that Delebar can do a better job at closer. He is a strikeout pitcher compared to Jansen who is more of a pitch to contact guy. Sell high on Jansen. He is doing a great job, but we have depth in the bullpen. "Young power arms" are there and more are on the way. Don't want to expose a guy live Perez (L) to waivers to make room for a returning Santos. Also Oliver is in his final season - get something for him if you can.

[Caper]

I don't think anyone can do as good a job as Jannsen... But I few guys that could be close. It wouldn't kill us to lose him.

[G-Snarls]

The biggest mistake at this deadline would to make no move at all

[digiblader]

Well, we do have leverage re: Janssen--his value's pretty high. If we trade him, we could probably get some good pieces for him. Preferably, they should go after a team with a young 2B in their system(Wong of the Cards for Janssen? That might work.)

[Mikeleelop]

Well, we do have leverage re: Janssen--his value's pretty high. If we trade him, we could probably get some good pieces for him. Preferably, they should go after a team with a young 2B in their system(Wong of the Cards for Janssen? That might work.)

 

that would be ideal, AA could build for the future along with upgrading the position this season

[G-Snarls]

LOL, then that's probably what will happen.

 

Given:

 

1. An excess of high quality bullpen arms in the system

 

2. Major holes elsewhere (2B, C, SP)

 

3. Teams in contention with money and crappy bullpens (Red Sox, Tigers)

 

It would be insane not to make a move this month

[Deadpool]

Given:

 

1. An excess of high quality bullpen arms in the system

 

2. Major holes elsewhere (2B, C, SP)

 

3. Teams in contention with money and crappy bullpens (Red Sox, Tigers)

 

It would be insane not to make a move this month

 

... Please qualify that, because "Let's trade prospects for rental guys at the deadline!" is "a move". I would prefer no move to that move.

[jaysblue]

Not sure the Jays would be able to get Castellanos or Wong as much as I'd love them to for Janssen.

[Deadpool]

Not sure the Jays would be able to get Castellanos or Wong as much as I'd love them to for Janssen.

 

See, the problem is that you're seeing it as "The Jays want these guys for the future, so this is what they'll have to give up" as opposed to "These teams need something RIGHT NOW to help them win this year, so this is what they'll have to give up."

 

A guy like Janssen has a LOT of value to a team that feels they need a bullpen piece to try to win it all this year (even if you discount the ridiculous "closer" factor, his numbers and performance have been great), so AA has the upper hand in any negotiations about him.

[Abomination]

I still think Janssen for Porcello is the move here.

 

I'd prefer Smyly personally, but either of those two guys would be a good move imo.

[Buster]

More to the point, there are multiple teams that perceive the requirement for a Janssen. It's not like AA has to pick up the phone to Detroit and do the deal. AA would be shopping into a sellers market on him.

 

GM's of teams like the Tigers and Cards (?) get hyper paranoid that they will pull a BoSox and lose 20 games to miss the playoffs, or that a national audience will see them cough up two late inning leads in the playoffs.

[Jimcanuck]

Janssen for Wong, or better yet, Janssen and Bonifacio for Wong

[G-Snarls]

... Please qualify that, because "Let's trade prospects for rental guys at the deadline!" is "a move". I would prefer no move to that move.

 

Of course

 

There is ZERO point in acquiring someone who will only play second half 2013 with us. Anyone acquired needs to fill a need for this season and next at a bare minimum, and preferably longer.

[Fearthedoc]

Trade him.

 

There are always idiotic GMs that panic and overpay on these deadline deals. Remember when Carlos Santana (ranked 13th on Keith Laws top 100, 26th on Baseball America's) was moved for a few months of 36 year old Casey Blake (although he did sign an extension in the offseason)

[Dr. Dinger]

I still think Janssen for Porcello is the move here.

 

I would take Castellanos all day long over Porcello. I have no interest in seeing him get teed up every 5 days at RC, YS and Fenway. Porcello needs to pitch for an NL team with a huge park and a plus IF defense.

[G-Snarls]

It helps that Casey has a club option for 2014 in his contract:

 

2 years/$5.9M (2012-13), plus 2014 club option

signed extension with Toronto 2/13/12 (avoided arbitration, $2.2M-$1.8M)

12:$2M, 13:$3.9M, 14:$4M club option (no buyout)

[Dr. Dinger]

I'd be pretty surprised if they can get Castellanos for him.

 

I actually think the Tigers would rather part with Castellanos, but maybe I'm wrong. Dino org with no plan to move Miggy off 3B any time soon. I'm positive they'd rather acquire a closer without subtracting from their rotation. Trading Porcello also forces their best reliever (Smyly) into the rotation, which pretty much leaves them back at square one.