The Art of Pitch Framing

[DustyBaker]

I know this forum has been on board with this for a while now, but its slowly starting to creep more into the mainstream (if you consider Grantland mainstream). While this article references a lot of information one would already know through baseball-prospectus or fangraphs, I found it interesting how invested specifically the Yankees were in this concept. Makes you wonder if our FO gives a s*** about any of this.... and if thats trickling down to JP. It talks about Russel Martin and Cervelli being students of this idea, and actively trying to improve themselves (and that it is easier to improve the basics of this skill, then say, hitting dingers) whereas I really can't picture JP putting hours (or minutes) into this. Its a little frustrating reading about other teams trying to be on the cutting edge to gain a competitive advantage,.... and were throwing out JP day after day. Then again, chicks dig the long ball, so I guess hes got that going for him.

Anyways, just thought I'd share.

 

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9275754/studying-art-pitch-framing-catchers-such-francisco-cervelli-chris-stewart-jose-molina-others

[sachmo55]

Really nice read

Too bad it'll be ignored by the jays FO

[KSaw]

Arencibia needs to worry about pitch catching before moving up to pitch framing.

[o2cui2i]

Arencibia needs to worry about pitch catching before moving up to pitch framing.

 

LOLed @ that

[Nox]

Arencibia needs to worry about pitch catching before moving up to pitch framing.

 

Probably my favourite post of yours ever.

[DustyBaker]

Arencibia needs to worry about pitch catching before moving up to pitch framing.

 

LOL great point, I guess I got a little ahead of myself

[GD]

Probably my favourite post of yours ever.

 

Is that really saying much?

[GD]

Great article, though, really interesting read. Apparently Greg Zaun was a great framer, according to Fast. Ryan Hanigan would be a great pick up for this team.

[torontofan]

Someone should tweet this article to JPA haha.

[connorp]

I thought thehurl posted that JPA is in the middle of the pack this year?..

[Boxcar]

Great article. Unfortunately, this team watching Molina leave for peanuts, ignoring Russell Martin amid a giant spending spree, and pledging undying allegiance to JPA is pretty strong evidence that they don't give a single f*** about pitch framing.

 

They don't care about pitch framing, getting on base, stats, or milking value.

 

Man, what would a guy like Andrew Friedman accomplish with this payroll? It makes my mouth water to think about it. 120 win team with a top 5 farm.

[GD]

For whatever it's worth, aren't the Blue Jays 4th best in expected/actual strikes or something?

[GD]

Does anyone know of or have framing numbers for Jimenez?

 

Who, A.J. Jimenez?

[Laika]

Oui.

 

There are no publicly available framing numbers for minor leaguers. Most methods use pitchFX. But Max Marchi alludes to its possibility in his piece that dropped on BP today. I think it's free, you'll like it.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=20596.

Edited May 16, 2013 by Laika

[GD]

Like NJH said, no specific numbers, but most reports had him listed as the #1 defensive catcher in the system over d'Arnaud, which I can agree with. The kid's defense is a strong point.