GDT - Romero in Louisville version

[dineke]

So what. That number is easily skewed by a high walk or homerun total, which makes this stat completely irrelevant to me. For example, a pitcher that doesn't walk many and challenges hitters, will most likely give up a high number of homeruns...ala Jake Shields. Does he suck too by this standard? LMFAO.

 

Or a guy with modearte home runs against, but a normal than higher amount of walks.....that happens to be a groundball pitcher with 60% or more of his outs coming on the ground, will skew that number as well. Fact is that Ricky's WHIP, which is far more important and relelvant, was pretty damn good as were his GIDP numbers as a result of his ability to keep the ball on the ground in crucial situations. That is usually the result of either an excellent change up or a well located sinker. His numbers overall were excellent and they STILL would be if he was able to command his fastball and sinker down in the zone. Since he has lost that, his walk totals have went way up and his ability to throw the DP ball has gone out the window.

 

IMO, when he regains, or IF he regains command of the ONE pitch, he is right back where he was two years ago, plain and simple. He still has an above average curve and an excellent change that can easily get hitters out. Anyone who knows baseball at all knows that without fastball command, your game is pure junk.

 

Walk rate doesn't affect Hr Rate...

 

Anyways.. you're right, Ricky was an above average pitcher even though he was lucky too... 3.80 xFIP in 2011... now he's just garbage.

[Iluvbjs]

Romero's velocity is fine........it's command of the fastball that's broken. He needs to figure this out or he's finished. There's no chance in hell the Jays are going to give up on a guy guaranteed 22 million over the next three years, here's to hoping he figures it out.

 

LOL, I agree. The funny thing is that I replied to Gord's post before I even read yours and I think we look at it the exact same way. I think ricky needs to be removed from game situations completely and throw side sessions for as long as it takes for him to be able to repeat his delivery. As soon as he's able to start that sinking fastball at the kness and let the movement take over, he will be ready.

 

I think it is going to take quite a bit of time. If I were his coach right now, I'd sit him down and make him watch endless hours of video of games where he pitched very well. Repetition, over and over again. Everything is habit for us, even as adults. It's almost as if his brain needs to be trained all over again. Video and side session, one right after another. Take video of his side session and make him watch and compare both his delivery and release points. And make him do it over and over and f***ing over again until he is able to consistently throw that fastball where he needs it to be thrown the vast majority of the time. Putting him out there right now against even weak competition is ruining his chances and damaging his frail confidence every single time. therapy and massive repetition is the key to this guys comeback. Until he can learn to repeat his delivery all over again, he will not be sucessful at any level of play. But with his ability, I do not give up on him, no way, no how.

[Iluvbjs]

So, does walk and homerun rate not affect a pitchers FIP? I thought it did.

[dineke]

So' date=' does walk and homerun rate not affect a pitchers FIP? I thought it did.[/quote']

 

Yes it does, but walks has no correlation to hr rate, at least not to the best of my knowledge.

[Iluvbjs]

Sorry bro, my mistake. I was just looking at his numbers and comparing the correlation to his FIP and they just don't seem relevant RR in the 2011 season. I mean he did allow 3.31 walks per 9IP and only 1 hr per 8IP, while allowing only 176 hits over 225 Ip for the season...with a WHIP of only 1.14? That's a pretty good sample size and those numbers are ace material. A pitcher with a change and sinker like Ricky has can make FIP seem completely irrelevant in this case because there is nothing in those numbers anywhere that would indicate his numbers according to FIP were actually below average. His walks are a tad high sure, but his constant ability to get the DP ground ball completely negated that number.

 

I honestly believe that if RR gets command of that sinker back, he can be just as, if not even more successful than he was on 2011. His other pitches are well above average. He needs to be taken out of game situations for now IMO, and take thousands of reps learning to repeat the delivery that allowed him to be so successful back then. I know fixing the guys head is a huge obstacle, but I believe that constant bombardment of past video will help him get back to where he was and I just don't think the road to that point is as difficult as some people seem to think. He's an uber competitive guy who just needs his confidence back.

[Angrioter]

Romero today

3.2IP, 4H, 2ER, 6 Walks and K

[Caper]

Romero today

3.2IP, 4H, 2ER, 6 Walks and K

 

Aghhh...

 

 

I wonder why Negrych got another day off..... or.........

[G-Snarls]

Romero today

3.2IP, 4H, 2ER, 6 Walks and K

 

The walks!

[dineke]

Romero today

3.2IP, 4H, 2ER, 6 Walks and K

 

LOL Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee done.

[oakville69]

The Angels have no pitching... They have no farm system, they should absolutely be calling about RR.

 

What could the Jays get for Romero from the Angels or anyone else for that matter.? Jays need a 2b/ss prospect.

[oakville69]

LOL Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee done.

 

This was a marginal improvement from his last AAA start, but it's still pretty bad.

[GD]

What could the Jays get for Romero from the Angels or anyone else for that matter.? Jays need a 2b/ss prospect.

 

Romero for Taylor Lindsay or C.J. Cron please

[GD]

Romero is getting lit up in AAA. He has no value unless we're eating $15 miilion.

 

I thought the entire suggestion of trading Romero was based on the assumption we were eating a fair amount of cash.

[Arkadium]

Romero today

3.2IP, 4H, 2ER, 6 Walks and K

 

In two starts in AAA, Romero has a WHIP near 4.0...... outstanding!

[GD]

Usually deals like that don't involve any legit pieces coming the other way. If he is moved, I'd expect it to be like Romero for a 27-year old AAA reliever or something, with the goal of saving a few million $.

 

Eh, eating some cash wouldn't be the worst thing, really. Getting a good piece for Romero is probably better than saving a few million.

[Abomination]

Eh, eating some cash wouldn't be the worst thing, really. Getting a good piece for Romero is probably better than saving a few million.

 

Unless we could get a true blue-chipper for him (unlikely), the cash (7.5M) is probably more valuable for where we are as an organization. With that said, getting Romero right again - assuming that's possible, is worth even more.

[Sammy225]

Romero for Kendrick lol. I don't know if I want the 2nd base version of JPA or not. LAA need pitching though

[GD]

Any piece worth a few million just isn't going to be in play for Romero. I mean, how many pieces in our farm are worth a few million $? Now which ones would you trade to acquire Ubaldo Jiminez at little or no financial cost?

 

Probably only Alford so I see your point. Lindsay isn't much of a prospect, though.

[GD]

Romero for Kendrick lol. I don't know if I want the 2nd base version of JPA or not. LAA need pitching though

 

what the

[Caper]

What could the Jays get for Romero from the Angels or anyone else for that matter.? Jays need a 2b/ss prospect.

 

None other then the Albert Pujols, heck, they would probably throw in Josh Hamilton.

[blackjays21]

Huh? Kendrick has put up 8.6 fWAR the last two years...

 

yea Kendrick has been a beast over the last two years. it would take a lot more to get him then jus romero

 

we will not got nothing for romero if we traded him.. if the bluejays fix him and he comes back stronger.its worth more to us then trading him for a AAA player and eating his salary

[Angrioter]

Eh, eating some cash wouldn't be the worst thing, really. Getting a good piece for Romero is probably better than saving a few million.

 

 

Colletti and the Dodgers get Casey Blake for Carlos Santana + Casey Blake salary

[GD]

Colletti and the Dodgers get Casey Blake for Carlos Santana + Casey Blake salary

 

That was a fun trade

[Shogun89]

What could the Jays get for Romero from the Angels or anyone else for that matter.? Jays need a 2b/ss prospect.

 

A bag of baseballs, and a couple practice bats.

[oakville69]

It's sad that Romero 's trade value had diminished to being virtually worthless. It's almost unheard of.

[kgm1]

It's sad that Romero 's trade value had diminished to being virtually worthless. It's almost unheard of.

 

Trading Romero now is out of the question . They screwed it up calling him up after only one start and then sending him to AAA instead of back to Florida. what they need to do now is send him back to extended ST and start over .