2013 draft

[TheHurl]

1 Mark Appel POS: RHP HT: 6-5 WT: 215 School: Stanford

2 Jonathan Gray POS: RHP HT: 6-4 WT: 239 School: Oklahoma

3 Kris Bryant POS: 3B/OF B/T: R/R HT: 6-5 WT: 215 School: San Diego

4 Austin Meadows POS: OF B/T: L/L HT: 6-3 WT: 200 School: Grayson (Ga.) HS

5 Kohl Stewart POS: RHP HT: 6-3 WT: 190 School: St. Pius X (Houston)

6 Bradey Shipley POS: RHP HT: 6-3 WT: 190 School: Nevada

7 Clint Frazier POS: OF B/T: R/R HT: 6-1 WT: 190 School: Loganville (Ga.) HS

8 Sean Manaea POS: LHP HT: 6-5 WT: 235 School: Indiana State

9 Colin Moran POS: 3B HT: 6-3 WT: 215 School: North Carolina

10 Dominic Smith POS: 1B B/T: L/L HT: 6-0 WT: 195 School: Serra HS (Gardena, Calif.)

11 Hunter Renfroe POS: OFB/T: R/R HT: 6-1 WT: 216 School: Mississippi State

12 J.P. Crawford POS: SS B/T: L/RHT: 6-2 WT: 175 School: Lakewood (Calif.) HS

13 Ryne Stanek POS: RHP HT: 6-4 WT: 190 School: Arkansas

14Trey Ball POS: LHP/OF HT: 6-6 WT: 180 School: New Castle (Ind.) HS

15 Austin Wilson POS: OF B/T: R/R HT: 6-5 WT: 245 School: Stanford

16 Alex Gonzalez POS: RHP HT: 6-3 WT: 200 School: Oral Roberts

17 Aaron Judge POS: OF B/T: R/R HT: 6-7 WT: 255 School: Fresno State

18 Nick Ciuffo POS: CB/T: L/R HT: 6-1 WT: 200 School: Lexington (S.C.) HS

19 Reese McGuire POS: CB/T: L/R HT: 6-1 WT: 190 School: Kentwood HS (Kent, Wash.)

20 Devin Williams POS: RHP HT: 6-3 WT: 172 School: Hazelwood West HS (Hazelwood, Mo.)

21 Kyle Serrano POS: RHP HT: 6-0 WT: 185 School: Farragut (Tenn.) HS

22 Jon Denney POS: CB/T: R/R HT: 6-2 WT: 205 School: Yukon (Okla.) HS

23 Marco Gonzales POS: LHP HT: 6-1 WT: 185 School: Gonzaga

24 Hunter Harvey POS: RHP HT: 6-3 WT: 175 School: Bandys HS (Catawba, N.C.)

25 Chris Anderson POS: RHP HT: 6-4 WT: 225 School: Jacksonville

The rest of the top 100

RANK PLAYER POS SCHOOL

26 Eric Jagielo 3B Notre Dame

27 Andrew Thurman RHP UC Irvine

28 Billy McKinney OF Plano (Texas) West Senior HS

29 Connor Jones RHP Great Bridge HS (Chesapeake, Va.)

30 Ryan Eades RHP LSU

31 Aaron Blair RHP Marshall

32 Trevor Williams RHP Arizona St.

33 Jacob Brentz LHP South HS (Ballwin, Mo.)

34 Andrew Mitchell RHP TCU

35 Matt Krook LHP St. Ignatius Prep (Hillsborough, Calif.)

36 Dustin Peterson SS Gilbert (Ariz.) HS

37 Logan Shore RHP Coon Rapids (Minn.) HS

38 Cody Reed LHP Northwest Miss. CC

39 Rob Kaminsky LHP St. Joseph's HS (Englewood Cliffs, N.J.)

40 Ryan Boldt OF Red Wing (Minn.) HS

41 Blake Taylor LHP Mission Viejo (Calif.) HS

42 D.J. Peterson OF New Mexico

43 Tim Anderson SS East Central CC

44 Wil Crowe RHP Pigeon Forge (Tenn.) HS

45 Travis Demerritte SS Winder-Barrow (Ga.) HS

46 Jason Hursh RHP Oklahoma St.

47 Jonathan Crawford RHP Florida

48 Garrett Williams LHP Calvary Baptist Academy (Shreveport, La.)

49 Michael Lorenzen RHP/OF Cal St. Fullerton

50 Phil Ervin OF Samford

51 Josh Hart OF Parkview HS (Lilburn, Ga.)

52 Hunter Green LHP Warren East HS (Bowling Green, Ky.)

53 Jordan Paroubeck OF Serra HS (San Mateo, Calif.)

54 Hunter Dozier SS Stephen F. Austin

55 Myles Smith RHP Lee University

56 Phil Bickford RHP Oaks Christian HS (Ventura, Calif.)

57 Andrew Knapp C Cal

58 Dustin Driver RHP Wenatchee (Wash.) HS

59 Cord Sandberg OF Manatee County Private (Bradenton, Fla.)

60 Tom Windle LHP Minnesota

61 Teddy Stankiewicz RHP Seminole State College

62 Mason Smith OF Rocky Mountain HS (Meridian, Idaho)

63 Matt McPhearson OF Riverdale Baptist HS (Columbia, Md.)

64 Jake Johansen RHP Dallas Baptist University

65 Ian Clarkin LHP Madison HS (San Diego)

66 Cavan Biggio 2B St. Thomas HS (Houston)

67 Bobby Wahl RHP Ole Miss

68 Kevin Ziomek LHP Vanderbilt

69 Terry McClure OF Riverwood HS (Atlanta)

70 Colby Suggs RHP Arkansas

71 DJ Snelten LHP Minnesota

72 Alex Balog RHP San Francisco

73 Jan Hernandez SS Carlos Beltran Baseball Academy (San Lorenzo, Puerto Rico)

74 Clinton Hollon RHP Woodford County HS (Lexington, Ky.)

75 Andy McGuire SS James Madison HS (Oakton, Va.)

76 Ryan McMahon 3B Mater Dei HS (Yorba Linda, Calif.)

77 Adam Plutko RHP UCLA

78 Mike O'Neill OF Michigan

79 Austin Nicely LHP Spotswood HS (Grottoes, Va.)

80 Andrew Church RHP Palo Verde HS (Las Vegas)

81 Stuart Turner C Ole Miss

82 Chris Rivera SS El Dorado HS (Fullerton, Calif.)

83 Kyle Finnegan RHP Texas State

84 Rob Zastryzny LHP Missouri

85 Ivan Wilson OF Ruston (La.) HS

86 Scott Frazier RHP Pepperdine

87 Chad Pinder 3B Virginia Tech

88 JaCoby Jones 2B LSU

89 Trey Masek RHP Texas Tech

90 Carlos Salazar RHP Kerman (Calif.) HS

91 Riley Unroe SS Desert Ridge HS (Mesa, Ariz.)

92 Konner Wade RHP Arizona

93 Jared King OF Kansas State

94 Kent Emanuel LHP UNC

95 Victor Caratini C Miami Dade College

96 Casey Meisner RHP Cypress (Texas) Woods HS

97 Robert Tyler RHP Crisp County HS (Cordele, Ga.)

98 Jake Sweaney C Garces Memorial HS (Bakersfield, Calif.)

99 Zane Evans C Georgia Tech

100 Corey Ray OF Simeon Career Academy (Chicago)

[GD]

Wow, Martinez isn't even in Law's top 100? That's weird. Also, I thought Riley Unroe could be taken early 2nd round.

[Angrioter]

Summary :

Bryant was a possible first-rounder out of high school -- I had him ranked 29th in that draft class -- but fell due to signability concerns and a middling performance in his senior year. He largely resolved the latter issue as a freshman for the Toreros, raking for three straight years now.

 

He sets up with a very wide base and has no stride, just a toe-tap for timing. It's a quiet swing overall, with excellent hip rotation for power, but his bat speed is just average or a tick better and I worry about his contact rates when he's consistently facing guys throwing 90-plus in pro ball. He can murder a good fastball but I'm not sure how he'll react to better off-speed stuff in the pros.

 

Now a third baseman, Bryant may not stay in the infield at all -- he's most likely to end up in right field, but would probably be above-average or better there, and I think there's a non-zero chance he stays at third, where he has plenty of arm and some athleticism but doesn't have the quick reactions a third baseman needs.

 

He's probably a low-average/high-power hitter down the road, with a ceiling of .260-.270 averages (and likely less) but 30-homer potential as well, and I expect him to go in the first five picks.

 

Player Grades

PRESENT FUTURE

Hitting 45 45

Power 70 70

Plate Discipline 50 55

Running Speed 40 40

Fielding Range 45 45

Arm Strength 55 55

Feel for Game -- --

 

 

Trumbo comp

[TO1]

Martinez is not really on anyone's top 100.

[Slade]

Personally, I'd rather the Jays draft Peterson over Ball.

 

Our system desperately needs a guy like Peterson.

[ace3113]

What are your thoughts on Dylan Covey?

 

Guy should have signed out of high school. Definitely cost himself some money. Stuff has taken a small step back, performance hasn't really been there, and the diabetes will always make him a health concern. I think he's a reliever at the next level. Probably goes round 3-7.

[ace3113]

1 Mark Appel POS: RHP HT: 6-5 WT: 215 School: Stanford

2 Jonathan Gray POS: RHP HT: 6-4 WT: 239 School: Oklahoma

3 Kris Bryant POS: 3B/OF B/T: R/R HT: 6-5 WT: 215 School: San Diego

4 Austin Meadows POS: OF B/T: L/L HT: 6-3 WT: 200 School: Grayson (Ga.) HS

5 Kohl Stewart POS: RHP HT: 6-3 WT: 190 School: St. Pius X (Houston)

6 Bradey Shipley POS: RHP HT: 6-3 WT: 190 School: Nevada

7 Clint Frazier POS: OF B/T: R/R HT: 6-1 WT: 190 School: Loganville (Ga.) HS

8 Sean Manaea POS: LHP HT: 6-5 WT: 235 School: Indiana State

9 Colin Moran POS: 3B HT: 6-3 WT: 215 School: North Carolina

10 Dominic Smith POS: 1B B/T: L/L HT: 6-0 WT: 195 School: Serra HS (Gardena, Calif.)

11 Hunter Renfroe POS: OFB/T: R/R HT: 6-1 WT: 216 School: Mississippi State

12 J.P. Crawford POS: SS B/T: L/RHT: 6-2 WT: 175 School: Lakewood (Calif.) HS

13 Ryne Stanek POS: RHP HT: 6-4 WT: 190 School: Arkansas

14Trey Ball POS: LHP/OF HT: 6-6 WT: 180 School: New Castle (Ind.) HS

15 Austin Wilson POS: OF B/T: R/R HT: 6-5 WT: 245 School: Stanford

16 Alex Gonzalez POS: RHP HT: 6-3 WT: 200 School: Oral Roberts

17 Aaron Judge POS: OF B/T: R/R HT: 6-7 WT: 255 School: Fresno State

18 Nick Ciuffo POS: CB/T: L/R HT: 6-1 WT: 200 School: Lexington (S.C.) HS

19 Reese McGuire POS: CB/T: L/R HT: 6-1 WT: 190 School: Kentwood HS (Kent, Wash.)

20 Devin Williams POS: RHP HT: 6-3 WT: 172 School: Hazelwood West HS (Hazelwood, Mo.)

21 Kyle Serrano POS: RHP HT: 6-0 WT: 185 School: Farragut (Tenn.) HS

22 Jon Denney POS: CB/T: R/R HT: 6-2 WT: 205 School: Yukon (Okla.) HS

23 Marco Gonzales POS: LHP HT: 6-1 WT: 185 School: Gonzaga

24 Hunter Harvey POS: RHP HT: 6-3 WT: 175 School: Bandys HS (Catawba, N.C.)

25 Chris Anderson POS: RHP HT: 6-4 WT: 225 School: Jacksonville

The rest of the top 100

RANK PLAYER POS SCHOOL

26 Eric Jagielo 3B Notre Dame

27 Andrew Thurman RHP UC Irvine

28 Billy McKinney OF Plano (Texas) West Senior HS

29 Connor Jones RHP Great Bridge HS (Chesapeake, Va.)

30 Ryan Eades RHP LSU

31 Aaron Blair RHP Marshall

32 Trevor Williams RHP Arizona St.

33 Jacob Brentz LHP South HS (Ballwin, Mo.)

34 Andrew Mitchell RHP TCU

35 Matt Krook LHP St. Ignatius Prep (Hillsborough, Calif.)

36 Dustin Peterson SS Gilbert (Ariz.) HS

37 Logan Shore RHP Coon Rapids (Minn.) HS

38 Cody Reed LHP Northwest Miss. CC

39 Rob Kaminsky LHP St. Joseph's HS (Englewood Cliffs, N.J.)

40 Ryan Boldt OF Red Wing (Minn.) HS

41 Blake Taylor LHP Mission Viejo (Calif.) HS

42 D.J. Peterson OF New Mexico

43 Tim Anderson SS East Central CC

44 Wil Crowe RHP Pigeon Forge (Tenn.) HS

45 Travis Demerritte SS Winder-Barrow (Ga.) HS

46 Jason Hursh RHP Oklahoma St.

47 Jonathan Crawford RHP Florida

48 Garrett Williams LHP Calvary Baptist Academy (Shreveport, La.)

49 Michael Lorenzen RHP/OF Cal St. Fullerton

50 Phil Ervin OF Samford

51 Josh Hart OF Parkview HS (Lilburn, Ga.)

52 Hunter Green LHP Warren East HS (Bowling Green, Ky.)

53 Jordan Paroubeck OF Serra HS (San Mateo, Calif.)

54 Hunter Dozier SS Stephen F. Austin

55 Myles Smith RHP Lee University

56 Phil Bickford RHP Oaks Christian HS (Ventura, Calif.)

57 Andrew Knapp C Cal

58 Dustin Driver RHP Wenatchee (Wash.) HS

59 Cord Sandberg OF Manatee County Private (Bradenton, Fla.)

60 Tom Windle LHP Minnesota

61 Teddy Stankiewicz RHP Seminole State College

62 Mason Smith OF Rocky Mountain HS (Meridian, Idaho)

63 Matt McPhearson OF Riverdale Baptist HS (Columbia, Md.)

64 Jake Johansen RHP Dallas Baptist University

65 Ian Clarkin LHP Madison HS (San Diego)

66 Cavan Biggio 2B St. Thomas HS (Houston)

67 Bobby Wahl RHP Ole Miss

68 Kevin Ziomek LHP Vanderbilt

69 Terry McClure OF Riverwood HS (Atlanta)

70 Colby Suggs RHP Arkansas

71 DJ Snelten LHP Minnesota

72 Alex Balog RHP San Francisco

73 Jan Hernandez SS Carlos Beltran Baseball Academy (San Lorenzo, Puerto Rico)

74 Clinton Hollon RHP Woodford County HS (Lexington, Ky.)

75 Andy McGuire SS James Madison HS (Oakton, Va.)

76 Ryan McMahon 3B Mater Dei HS (Yorba Linda, Calif.)

77 Adam Plutko RHP UCLA

78 Mike O'Neill OF Michigan

79 Austin Nicely LHP Spotswood HS (Grottoes, Va.)

80 Andrew Church RHP Palo Verde HS (Las Vegas)

81 Stuart Turner C Ole Miss

82 Chris Rivera SS El Dorado HS (Fullerton, Calif.)

83 Kyle Finnegan RHP Texas State

84 Rob Zastryzny LHP Missouri

85 Ivan Wilson OF Ruston (La.) HS

86 Scott Frazier RHP Pepperdine

87 Chad Pinder 3B Virginia Tech

88 JaCoby Jones 2B LSU

89 Trey Masek RHP Texas Tech

90 Carlos Salazar RHP Kerman (Calif.) HS

91 Riley Unroe SS Desert Ridge HS (Mesa, Ariz.)

92 Konner Wade RHP Arizona

93 Jared King OF Kansas State

94 Kent Emanuel LHP UNC

95 Victor Caratini C Miami Dade College

96 Casey Meisner RHP Cypress (Texas) Woods HS

97 Robert Tyler RHP Crisp County HS (Cordele, Ga.)

98 Jake Sweaney C Garces Memorial HS (Bakersfield, Calif.)

99 Zane Evans C Georgia Tech

100 Corey Ray OF Simeon Career Academy (Chicago)

 

Thanks for the updates Hurl. If Unroe makes it to us in the 2nd or 3rd I will be jumping for joy. This guy has massive tools (with the hit tool being the best), 6.5 runner, 91mph arm, surprising power, and looks like he can stick up the middle. I know high school stats don't mean anything but he's hitting .553/.636/1.128 10hr 14(2b) 5(3b) 18bb 4so 25sb 4cs in a very competitive baseball state and in a very strong program.

 

http://bigleaguefutures.net/1/2013/05/08/cumulative-prep-batting-stats-572013/

[crrr]

who are you hoping the jays take come this draft? im crossing my balls that they get a shot at frazier. i heard they they had a lot of interest in austin wilson, and jp crawford could draw their interest as well. although, we met our jp quota already so thats out. anybody mind if i swear a little here???...f***ing beede is 12-0 prick head, shoulda signed him, damn!!!!

 

Who cares?

 

They'll just trade them for Doc, right?!

[ace3113]

Fitzy (Toronto): Do the Jays have Ball pitch or play outfield?

 

Jim Callis: I think almost every team would put Ball on the mound. Plus fastball, plus curveball, plus athlete, promising changeup. If he got to No. 13, the Padres might pop him as an outfielder, but they’re the exception. I’m not even sure he gets to Toronto at No. 10, to be honest. He’s rising.

 

I actually like his changeup better from my viewings, but apparently the curveball has taken a BIG step forward this spring. I'm not surprised. That's one talented kid. Fastball apparently up to 95 now and still hitting 93 in the 7th of his 11 strikeout game.

[SpeedyGose]

The more I read on Ball, the more excited I get. If Meadows doesn't drop to us, then I definitely want Ball or Dom Smith

[ace3113]

Hallefackinlujah!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Z7FI4slTI

 

Video of Shipley from ESPN. Only a minute though lol.

 

Great find GD. It's nice to finally see the delivery at least. I can't really tell anything beyond that it's a nice repeatable, easy delivery. This is probably a bad comparison, but he makes me think of a pitching version of Hunter Renfroe. He has the raw tools to be really good (#2 borderline number 1 starter) or he could be a reliever. Law has him as having a future 70 fastball and 65 changeup. I don't even know what a 65 changeup would look like but I'm guessing not quite Pedro so around Tim Hudson level changeup. Big risk/big reward which for a college player is tough for me to advocate unless he's a draft eligible sophomore or something.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Ace, what pitcher and what hitter are at the top for you, of either grouping?

[TO1]

Don't forget Nola and I think Wiper redshirted so he'll be another year before he's draft eligible.

 

Are you sure on Wiper? B/c I read something a couple weeks ago that stated he's headed for next years draft. I'm almost certain it was a Perfect Game USA article.

Edited May 10, 2013 by TO1

[ace3113]

Ace, what pitcher and what hitter are at the top for you, of either grouping?

 

Frazier and Gray if you mean out of everyone. If you mean who might still be available for us at 10, I've said before, there's so much parity around our pick, that it's really hard for me to prefer one guy over another, so I'll give a list of guys from each group that I like in no particular order.

 

Pitcher: Stewart, Stanek, Ball, Shipley, Bickford-------->Krook, Church (next round)

Hitter: Frazier, Meadows, Smith, Moran, Renfroe ------>Unroe, Longhi (next round)

[TO1]

Fitzy (Toronto): Do the Jays have Ball pitch or play outfield?

 

Jim Callis: I think almost every team would put Ball on the mound. Plus fastball, plus curveball, plus athlete, promising changeup. If he got to No. 13, the Padres might pop him as an outfielder, but they’re the exception. I’m not even sure he gets to Toronto at No. 10, to be honest. He’s rising.

 

I actually like his changeup better from my viewings, but apparently the curveball has taken a BIG step forward this spring. I'm not surprised. That's one talented kid. Fastball apparently up to 95 now and still hitting 93 in the 7th of his 11 strikeout game.

 

 

 

Maybe he is making progress, but I still have my doubts when I read stuff like this (below link). It's from at the end of last season so there is some room to grow from when this was published.

But Callis makes it sound like he went from a iffy CB at the end of 2012 to Barry Zito's CB in Oakland in 4 just months. I call BS on that one. Everyone I've seen talks about his CB being his 3rd best pitch by a lot behind the FB and CU. And no one I've read takes about his command , especially on the secondaries, as particularly good. We shall see.

 

http://www.coast2coastprospects.com/trey-ball.html

 

"Ball is a lean, lanky, athletic left-hander with serious projectability and intriguing present stuff. A Texas commit, his fastball has been clocked anywhere in the 87-92 range throughout the most recent showcase circuit, but most project an increase in velocity as he further fills out his frame. He has some interesting secondary offerings to go along with the fastball, highlighted by a change-up in the 80-83 range with good fade. He keeps his arm speed very well when throwing the change-up and also shows an inconsistent, but occasionally effective curveball in the 75-78 range. Ball is an excellent athlete and it shows on the mound. He could be the best two way player in this draft, as his speed (he runs the 60 in 6.7 seconds), athleticism and arm strength play very well in the outfield. There’s a bit of effort in his delivery and he doesn’t have great command of any of his pitches at this point, but teams will naturally be intrigued by a lefty of Ball’s caliber."

[GD]

The more I read on Ball, the more excited I get. If Meadows doesn't drop to us, then I definitely want Ball or Dom Smith

 

I would really rather Smith. Nice hit tool. Ball is way too big and lanky to be a hitter and I don't like him more than anyone else as a pitcher.

 

Great find GD. It's nice to finally see the delivery at least. I can't really tell anything beyond that it's a nice repeatable, easy delivery. This is probably a bad comparison, but he makes me think of a pitching version of Hunter Renfroe. He has the raw tools to be really good (#2 borderline number 1 starter) or he could be a reliever. Law has him as having a future 70 fastball and 65 changeup. I don't even know what a 65 changeup would look like but I'm guessing not quite Pedro so around Tim Hudson level changeup. Big risk/big reward which for a college player is tough for me to advocate unless he's a draft eligible sophomore or something.

 

I don't want Shipley at all but if, by some stroke of hell (knowing this team.. it'll happen) all of the guys I'd rather are taken, I wouldn't hate him as a last resort.

 

I'm still smarting from just missing Giolito last year. Ugh. And I wanted Gallo, too.

[ace3113]

Maybe he is making progress, but I still have my doubts when I read stuff like this (below link). It's from at the end of last season so there is some room to grow from when this was published.

But Callis makes it sound like he went from a iffy CB at the end of 2012 to Barry Zito's CB in Oakland in 4 just months. I call BS on that one. Everyone I've seen talks about his CB being his 3rd best pitch by a lot behind the FB and CU. And no one I've read takes about his command , especially on the secondaries, as particularly good. We shall see.

 

http://www.coast2coastprospects.com/trey-ball.html

 

"Ball is a lean, lanky, athletic left-hander with serious projectability and intriguing present stuff. A Texas commit, his fastball has been clocked anywhere in the 87-92 range throughout the most recent showcase circuit, but most project an increase in velocity as he further fills out his frame. He has some interesting secondary offerings to go along with the fastball, highlighted by a change-up in the 80-83 range with good fade. He keeps his arm speed very well when throwing the change-up and also shows an inconsistent, but occasionally effective curveball in the 75-78 range. Ball is an excellent athlete and it shows on the mound. He could be the best two way player in this draft, as his speed (he runs the 60 in 6.7 seconds), athleticism and arm strength play very well in the outfield. There’s a bit of effort in his delivery and he doesn’t have great command of any of his pitches at this point, but teams will naturally be intrigued by a lefty of Ball’s caliber."

 

LOL. Who the heck is Coast 2 Coast prospects? No offense, but I'd take some of your criticisms more seriously if you didn't constantly post scouting reports from random fanblogs (Twins fan blog? when trying to argue Anderson over Gray) especially ones that aren't conscientiously updated, while scoffing at the opinions of reputable sports journalists whose views just don't happen to coincide yours. I think I'll stick with Callis and my own vision from my viewings over Coast 2 Coast.

[GD]

(Twins fan blog? when trying to argue Anderson over Gray)

 

.. Someone actually argued Gray < Anderson? wat

[ace3113]

.. Someone actually argued Gray < Anderson? wat

 

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=95&nav=messages&webtag=ml-bluejays&tid=89336

 

The poster TO1 is Niko10. The blog was from Twins daily. A fan site. I didn't get it either.

[GD]

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=95&nav=messages&webtag=ml-bluejays&tid=89336

 

The poster TO1 is Niko10. The blog was from Twins daily. A fan site. I didn't get it either.

 

MLB banned me. Can't see it. That's really horrifyingly stupid, though.

[ace3113]

MLB banned me. Can't see it. That's really horrifyingly stupid, though.

 

To be fair, I liked Anderson quite a bit, and still like him. But alas in retrospect the whole argument seems kind of silly. Here are some of the highlights for everyone's edification.

 

Comparing Anderson to Gray:

 

But I like to see if a guy can spot a pitch. A stat line in HS or College doesn't show if a pitcher can just overpower other players at that level or actually command his stuff. If your in a league full of free swingers or your stuff is just overpowering where you don't need to spot a thing then stats will show a low amount of BBs. Doesn't mean you have good command. So stats don't always tell the full story. From everything I've read on Gray, he is not exactly a guy that spots his pitches. He just goes after guys. That might work in College, but you are trying to draft the kid to do that in the Majors. And just trying to overpower pro hitters consistently is an entirely different ballgame. On the other hand, every article I've read on Anderson has said he has had excellent command all year, especially his FB command. And he has a 4-pitch mix which is always better to attack hitters with, assuming all pitches are at least ML average or better. As for the conference that they play in, I'm not sure it means that much for a pitcher. I think it does for a hitter. If a guy can throw fairly hard or better, spot hit pitches, have at least 2 +pitches, have good movement on his pitches, have a smooth delivery and not be predictable on the mound then his stuff will play up anywhere. Its like I said before, 97 on the corner will play up anywhere. While just going down the middle won't. McGuire put up great numbers at Georgia Tech, which is a hitters dream, in one of the toughest conferences to pitch in 2010. If you looked at his stat line that year you would have thought he had great command of all his pitches. We all know how that turned out. The command was not there and he also lost about 2-3 ticks on the FB since.

 

Most of what I've seen mock wise have Gray ahead of Anderson. And I could really care less. Those things change all the time. Baseball America is a power

 

http://twinsdaily.com/1381-draft-board-v-1-0-2-17.html

 

"Bonus watch:

While the Twins scouted Jacksonville U. last year before drafting both Adam Walker and Jonathan Murphy, they no doubt were also aware of RHP Chris Anderson, now a junior, who hails from Centennial (MN) HS. If the draft were today, it’s unlikely you’d hear his named called in the first few rounds. But if he continues to pitch like he did in his season debut – 7 IP, H, 13 K, BB, while throwing in the mid-90s and featuring four pitches– it’s hard to say how high he could rise before June."

 

As for the + command its already stated in the Perfect Game quote you already posted.

"He’s also been LOCATING EXCEPTIONALLY WELL"

MLB.com also states the same thing on their video scouting reports.

[GD]

The worst part of that was the "Where is he now" thing on Bruce Rondon. That's just stupid.

[ace3113]

The worst part of that was the "Where is he now" thing on Bruce Rondon. That's just stupid.

 

I'm not the type of poster that likes to put other posters on blast often, and I generally try to respect everyone's opinion, because we all make errors. I don't know everything, I'm often wrong, I don't always have to be right, and I will change my opinion given empirical evidence or an opinion I respect showing me a reason otherwise. That's pretty much what I remind myself when I disagree with someone's reasoning so vehemently.

[ace3113]

Here's some stuff on Ryon Healy via Perfect Game:

 

1. RYON HEALY, 1b/3b, 6'5 227, R/R, Oregon (Jr.)

 

.342/.419/.583 10HR 46RBI 15(2B) 24BB 20SO 5SB 2CS

 

The top power bat [from Oregon] in this year's draft class, Healy is rivaled only by Oregon State sophomore outfielder Michael Conforto for best power in the state, regardless of class. While he's seen time at third base, his natural position is first base. That profile puts a lot of pressure on the bat, but his impressive offensive tools and power surge this spring will give organizations enough confidence in the bat to make him a top three round pick, possibly working his way into the second round. His approach at the plate is controlled aggression, he takes violent hacks at hittable pitches and also recognizing when to take or fight off pitcher's pitches. He's always put on impressive power displays during batting practice, and as he's advanced as a pure hitter it has begun to translate into games on a regular basis.

[GD]

It's his point of view, I wouldn't be slamming T01's knowledge bro.....it's kind of his thing/specialty that brings very informative information to the board, I know I love the info that the Hurl Ace and niko10 provide.

 

I'm starting to think I may have misinterpreted it.

 

Did he mean "Where is he now" as in Rondon's busting already or "Where is he now" as in Rondon isn't the Tigers' closer and that the media was wrong? I agree with the latter, but if he meant the former..

[ace3113]

It's his point of view, I wouldn't be slamming T01's knowledge bro.....it's kind of his thing/specialty that brings very informative information to the board, I know I love the info that the Hurl Ace and niko10 provide.

 

I think most of the posters on this board are pretty knowledgeable (GD included), I wouldn't limit it to any 3 people per say.

[ace3113]

I'm starting to think I may have misinterpreted it.

 

Did he mean "Where is he now" as in Rondon's busting already or "Where is he now" as in Rondon isn't the Tigers' closer and that the media was wrong? I agree with the latter, but if he meant the former..

 

Rondon's pitching pretty well in AAA and he's only 22, and his stuff hasn't taken a step back, so I would hope it's the latter. I think the salient point is that Gray and Rondon are pretty different types of pitchers.

[TO1]

The worst part of that was the "Where is he now" thing on Bruce Rondon. That's just stupid.

 

Well where is he?

The point of the post is that command is more important than just pure stuff. And that if it really were the other way then someone like Rondon would be lights out in the majors. Not sent back down to the minors to try and clean up the command to throw strikes. He's been clocked at 103 multiple times and it did him no good against major league hitters. Its not to say his career is over or anything like that, but that he needs to throw strikes or his stuff will not play up.

 

Fans keep jerking off to a pitcher that throws hard and harder and think he's just going to succeed b/c he throws hard. If you can't spot a pitch then it doesn't matter how hard you throw. Its called a ball and your behind in the count.

Yesterday was a prime example in the 10th. Would you rather Lincoln throw 100 and still walk the house? The game ending would have been the same.

 

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results the next time is f***n moronic. Drafting the same type of player is the same thing.

 

Power hitters that can't hit for example. Fandom can't get enough of them. Then they complain when they can't hit. Well what did they expect?

 

I said what I said about Anderson to Gray. 4 pitches vs 2. Gray is said to have a CU. One that he never throws so what's the point of having one? And yes Gray doesn't spot s***. Everything IS down the middle with him, which with his stuff is fine for college, but usually doesn't fly as well in the majors. That is good control. But its not command. And if someone can't understand the difference between the two then that's their issue.

 

I never said stuff wise Anderson > Gray. I said I would rather take Anderson over Gray. I think he's a better pitcher. More pitches to work with and can hit his corners. That's 8 options for a hitter to think about. The likelihood he guesses location and pitch right is minimal.

Morrow has the best stuff on the Jays. Should dominate you would think. Has 4 pitches to work with. Only throws FB and SL for some reason, even though he has a very good CB. Only throws to the outside plate. Not much guess work for the hitter.

 

Add in Anderson can reach back for mid-90 and you got something there IMHO.

 

You can push the power thing all you want, even when the majors are riddled with hard throwers that fail. And can even call me an idiot and stupid and all that. But at least Jack Morris and Pat Hentgen have also said the same thing in the airwaves about pitching. Command > Stuff. They must be idiots as well.

Edited May 10, 2013 by TO1

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LOL. Who the heck is Coast 2 Coast prospects? No offense, but I'd take some of your criticisms more seriously if you didn't constantly post scouting reports from random fanblogs (Twins fan blog? when trying to argue Anderson over Gray) especially ones that aren't conscientiously updated, while scoffing at the opinions of reputable sports journalists whose views just don't happen to coincide yours. I think I'll stick with Callis and my own vision from my viewings over Coast 2 Coast.

 

 

I got all the subscription to BA too buddy. Big whuup!

Its 1 point of view. I also got them to other sites as well. And not all agree about everything on all prospects. Just b/c you've seen one or two points of view you respect or are not familiar with another person's name doesn't make it a consensus view.

I like to add something other than just a cut and past job from 1 or 2 sites.

But do your thing. Its all yours now.

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Rondon's pitching pretty well in AAA and he's only 22, and his stuff hasn't taken a step back, so I would hope it's the latter. I think the salient point is that Gray and Rondon are pretty different types of pitchers.

 

Gray and Rondon are quite different indeed.

 

Well where is he?

 

Before I even get into this, what exactly do you mean? Are you saying he's busting? Just to clarify before I make any counter points. Shouldn't have assumed anything from the get-go.