A Very Darrelly Dynasty League

[Boxcar]

I like it for Boxy. Verdugo is an overrated, ginger, slap-hitting corner OF. Future relief pitcher.

 

Sounds a lot like Francisco Lindor.

 

Juice ball has changed everything, bro.

[BTS]

Boxy is an SP1/SP2 and a 2B/3B away from playoff contention, and has a lot of superfluous pieces to trade:

 

Alonso/Morrison

Zimmer

Winker

Reed

Rosenthal

Hoffman

Frazier

McKenzie/Espinoza/Groome/Bichette/Long if he dips into the farm

[Dr. Dinger]

Sounds a lot like Francisco Lindor.

 

Juice ball has changed everything, bro.

 

I was always a Lindor fan. If Verdugo picks up SS eligibility, I'll change my tune.

[BTS]

I like it for Boxy. Verdugo is an overrated, ginger, slap-hitting corner OF. Future relief pitcher.

 

I see a guy who should hit around 0.300, get on base, and retain CF eligibility for awhile. If he can add even 15 HR power, he's Christian Yelich hitting at the top of a stacked lineup.

 

Or maybe he's late career Martin Prado.

 

In any event, I've wanted shares for awhile now.

[Dr. Dinger]

More Ender Inciarte than Chris Yelich IMO. Strong defensive profile, probably better IRL than fantasy type.

[BTS]

More Ender Inciarte than Chris Yelich IMO. Strong defensive profile, probably better IRL than fantasy type.

 

I think there's more pop there. At 21 Inciarte ran a .101 ISO in A+, and at 22 a 0.080 ISO in AA. Verdugo was at 0.122 at AAA at 21 and 0.134 at AA at 20.

[jaysblue]

I like it for Boxy. Verdugo is an overrated, ginger, slap-hitting corner OF. Future relief pitcher.

 

I really like this deal for Boxy. He made out pretty darn well. Getting both LoMo and Alonso to add some pop to his lineup, plus he got some intriguing arms in Cotton & Folty.

 

BTS sold a lot of quality pieces and didn't get nowhere close to the value he should have got IMO.

[Dr. Dinger]

I mean I guess I get it from BTS' perspective, in the sense that (1) none of those guys are long term studs (2) he's going full tank and (3) he got a prospect that he really coveted. If your objective is to bottom out and get some high picks and you don't expect to return to contention while these players are still good (if they even are, that is -- obviously Lomo and Alonso are huge regression candidates), then it doesn't really matter so much that you get a maximized return. Certainly there's a sell-high hedge going on here, and BTS isn't concerned with squeezing nickels of value when it takes dollars to win the league in the end. There's also the added upside of being able to dig up these posts and shove them down our throats if the Verdugo stock ends up hitting.

[Dr. Dinger]

These prospect trades can turn around in a hurry sometimes. I got crucified for handing Silvergun the league championship in our Cespedes, Lester, Capps - Dahl, Torres, Devers trade. He did win the league, as expected, but he ended up cutting Lester for nothing before the season was even over, Capps turned into a dead asset, and today I wouldn't trade either Torres or Devers straight up for Cespedes. And would I have won the league if I'd abstained from that trade? Surely not. A lot of the same could happen here; there's a good chance that half of Boxy's return ends up on the waiver wire before the year is out. I don't love Verdugo and I think Boxy can compete this year, so I still like it for him, but it's easy to envision a scenario where BTS comes out ahead.

[BTS]

I mean I guess I get it from BTS' perspective, in the sense that (1) none of those guys are long term studs (2) he's going full tank and (3) he got a prospect that he really coveted. If your objective is to bottom out and get some high picks and you don't expect to return to contention while these players are still good (if they even are, that is -- obviously Lomo and Alonso are huge regression candidates), then it doesn't really matter so much that you get a maximized return. Certainly there's a sell-high hedge going on here, and BTS isn't concerned with squeezing nickels of value when it takes dollars to win the league in the end. There's also the added upside of being able to dig up these posts and shove them down our throats if the Verdugo stock ends up hitting.

 

I'm at a weird place in my rebuild where MiLB picks, waiver picks, and non-top-100 prospects have no value to me because I have no room for them, and 30+year old depth pieces (Alonso and LoMo) don't have any real value to me, because I don't need them in 2018, and who knows what they'll be a year from now.

 

Folty and Cotton would have been nice to keep, but I think they probably had like 2nd or 3rd round pick value if I moved them individually, and I can use draft picks to replace them with equally intriguing end of roster guys closer to the cut if I want.

[Boxcar]

Yeah I get it, really I think BTS and I matched up really well. I just have no room for Verdugo in my OF, especially since MATT OLSON has OF eligibility. I needed pitching and I like the profiles of the two guys involved and I got insurance for Bird. I've been on Verdugo for a long time, so I like him and I'd never fault a guy for aggressively pursuing a prospect he likes.

[TheHurl]

If everything falls right for the kid he's a slow Denard Span. My apologies for the cross race comp.

[Laika]

ok, given the popularity of NJH's proposed rule change, I've come up with the following changes to the rules doc to hopefully provide clarity.

 

Section 2; MLB Roster Management

 

Original rule;

 

2.4 - Unowned prospects that did not hit AA or higher in the previous year cannot be added to MLB rosters on Yahoo, even if they hit AA, unless they are called up to the big leagues. If such players are called up in real life, then they can be added in Yahoo as soon as their MLB parent club adds them to their 25 man roster. Such players that have not been called up in real life by our MiLB draft are eligible to be drafted to MiLB rosters in the June rule 4. International free agents that are not subject to international spending restrictions and sign during the season are eligible to be claimed as soon as Yahoo adds them to the system. International free agents that were subject to international spending restrictions but are added to Yahoo's system during the season will be treated like prospects who did not hit AA in the previous season - that is, they cannot be added unless they are called up to the big leagues.

 

Proposed Rules;

 

2.4 - Unowned prospects that did not play in AA or higher in the previous year cannot be added to MLB rosters on Yahoo, even if they play in AA or higher in the current season, unless they are called up to the big leagues.

 

2.5 - If a player who did not reach AA or higher in the previous season is promoted to the big leagues during the season, then they can be added in Yahoo as soon as their MLB parent club adds them to their 25 man roster.

 

2.6 - International Free Agents that sign during the season may only be added when they are added to their parent clubs 25 man roster.

 

The commissioners may place international free agents on waivers if it is deemed more fair and appropriate in the sole discretion of said commissioner. This will generally be reserved for players who are expected to step right into a major league role upon signing

 

Section 4 - Rule 5 (Waiver) Draft

 

Original Rule;

4.4 - During the Rule 5 Draft, most remaining players in the Yahoo database (with the exception of prospects already owned on MiLB rosters) will be available. The Rule 5 Draft typically consists of MLB international signings, MLB players cut from keeper rosters, and unowned prospects (prospects may only be taken if they have played at AA or higher, see MiLB Roster Management; international signings that were subject to international spending limitations may not be taken in the Rule 5 Draft and ones that were not subject to such restrictions are Rule 5 eligible).

 

Proposed Rules;

 

4.4 - Players eligible for the Rule 5 Draft generally consist of;

 

- Unowned MLB players in the Yahoo database

- International Free Agents who have signed with an MLB parent team, who will be 23 or older at any time during the upcoming MLB season

- Unowned Prospects who played at AA or higher at some time during the previous MiLB season

 

Section 5 - Rule 4 (MiLB) Draft

 

Original Rule;

 

5.4 - Only unowned players who have never played an MLB game and who belong to an MLB parent team are eligible to be drafted. Players who have been drafted by an MLB parent team are eligible to be drafted, even if they have not signed with the parent club (as our annual draft will occur before the signing period has concluded). Drafted prospects that go unsigned and/or return to college may be kept at the owner’s discretion.

 

Proposed Rule;

 

5.4 - Only players who have never played an MLB game are eligible to be drafted during the Rule 4. Beyond this criteria, players eligible for the Rule 4 Draft generally consist of;

 

- Unowned Players drafted by an MLB parent team at any time, even if they have not yet signed. As our draft generally occurs before draft signing period has concluded, unsigned players are considered to belong to the MLB parent club that drafted them until their signing period has expired. Unsigned players who were drafted may be kept as a prospect at the owner’s discretion.

- Unowned International Free Agents who have signed with an MLB parent club.

- Unowned Undrafted free agents who have signed with an MLB parent club.

 

 

Please review and discuss. Let me know if these look like they capture what we are trying to resolve here or if revisions are needed.

 

Mostly good! I’d like to make a few tweaks.

 

2.6 – International Free Agents that sign during the season and will turn 23 (or older) during that calendar year may be added or claimed as soon as Yahoo adds them to the system.

 

(they hit waivers when Yahoo adds them which is why this is fair and makes sense)

 

2.7 – International Free Agents that sign during the season and will turn 22 (or less) during that calendar year are treated like prospects who did not hit AA in the previous year – they can be added in Yahoo when and if their MLB parent club adds them to the 25 man roster.

 

(remove sentence about commissioners placing IFAs on waivers – I don’t think it’s necessary).

 

4.4

(second bullet) – International Free Agents who have signed with an MLB parent team who will turn 23 (or older) during the calendar year of the Rule 5 draft.

 

5.4 - Only players who have never played an MLB game are eligible to be drafted during the Rule 4. Beyond this criteria, players eligible for the Rule 4 Draft generally consist of;

 

- Players taken in the most recent minor league draft, whether or not they have signed or will sign with their MLB parent club. Unsigned players who were drafted may be kept.

- Unowned International Free Agents who have signed with an MLB parent club.

- Unowned undrafted free agents who have signed with an MLB parent club.

[Dr. Dinger]

Keep AA prospects in the Rule 5 draft. For one thing, it makes the Rule 5 more meaty. It's already skimpy every year, let's not make it even less interesting. The other issue is that if we go with "If a player who did not reach AA or higher in the previous season is promoted to the big leagues during the season, then they can be added in Yahoo as soon as their MLB parent club adds them to their 25 man roster" there is going to be a lot of ambiguity on when the player was officially added. We are going to have owners camping out Yahoo until 4 in the morning sitting on a player until he's added to the 25 man roster? That's no way to live. Keep it the way it is.

 

I'm good with the IFA changes, but keep unowned AA prospects from the previous season eligible for the Rule 5 and eligible to be added any time.

[KingKat]

Its possible. Don't think there is a 'right' answer either way. Would make the waiver wire more interesting before the MiLB draft if any of those guys get called up early.

 

I'm a bit ambivalent, but sort of like it the way it is now.

 

The downside of changing it is that player who are already in the pool would have to be put on waivers manually when they hit the majors. The AA rule is certainly less work because players almost never make the jump from lower than that and in the rare case where they do (like Magneuris Sierra last year) they are being rushed and probably don't make for very attractive assets. So even though the Rule 5 is a lousy method of prospect acquisition, ruling it out is probably impractical unless we also change the league settings to only include major league players in the player pool (something I pushed for from day one but never got much support on).

 

All that being said, I think the Rule 5 rules should state explicitly that minor leaguers have to be in the Yahoo database to be eligible. We don't want a free for all and we don't want teams rostering paper assets on the MLB roster. I feel like the text should more closely match how the rule is already understood.

[z3r0s]

2.7 – International Free Agents that sign during the season and will turn 22 (or less) during that calendar year are treated like prospects who did not hit AA in the previous year – they can be added in Yahoo when and if their MLB parent club adds them to the 25 man roster.

 

(remove sentence about commissioners placing IFAs on waivers – I don’t think it’s necessary).

 

Main reason I put this up was in case someone comes out of the blue. If a 22 year old signs during the season and jump right to the majors, he is probably a significant asset. I figured waivers might be preferable in that situation to whoever notices he is in Yahoo first (probably at 4AM). Its probably an unlikely situation, but I figured it might be worthwhile allowing flexibility to place them on waivers.

[KingKat]

Main reason I put this up was in case someone comes out of the blue. If a 22 year old signs during the season and jump right to the majors, he is probably a significant asset. I figured waivers might be preferable in that situation to whoever notices he is in Yahoo first (probably at 4AM). Its probably an unlikely situation, but I figured it might be worthwhile allowing flexibility to place them on waivers.

 

In that scenario, I can't really see Yahoo adding him to the player database before he hits the majors. I can't recall a scenario where Yahoo added a non major league player at any other time than during the off-season. Players they miss just hit waivers when they get called up. A sudden international signing who is immediately called up would just hit the waivers.

[z3r0s]

In that scenario, I can't really see Yahoo adding him to the player database before he hits the majors. I can't recall a scenario where Yahoo added a non major league player at any other time than during the off-season. Players they miss just hit waivers when they get called up. A sudden international signing who is immediately called up would just hit the waivers.

 

That's probably true actually.

[Laika]

I'm good with the IFA changes, but keep unowned AA prospects from the previous season eligible for the Rule 5 and eligible to be added any time.

 

We didn't propose to change anything WRT these type of prospects.

[Laika]

Main reason I put this up was in case someone comes out of the blue. If a 22 year old signs during the season and jump right to the majors, he is probably a significant asset. I figured waivers might be preferable in that situation to whoever notices he is in Yahoo first (probably at 4AM). Its probably an unlikely situation, but I figured it might be worthwhile allowing flexibility to place them on waivers.

 

What KK said is true.

 

Also - it just kind of goes without saying in the DDL that the commissioner can do whatever they want unilaterally as long as it makes sense and the league generally or mostly agrees. There's really no need to legislate it. I already have ultimate power!

[KingKat]

We didn't propose to change anything WRT these type of prospects.

 

I made the suggestion upthread but I later amended the suggestion because it's pretty impractical to keep them out of the rule 5 unless we also close off the player pool to minor leaguers (something I would love but also something that's never had traction here despite me beating the drum since year one).

[Orgfiller]

If anyone's hurting for a catcher, Yasmani Grandal is very much available. Franklin Barreto, Luis Ortiz could be added, or be moved independently. Also looking to move some of my prospects outside of the elite range.

[Laika]

Grandal was so attractive one year ago. Now who knows how much he'll even play. Frustrating!

[The Cats Ass]

To TCA: Franklin Barreto + Christian Pache + MiLB 58

 

To Orgfiller: Francis Martes + Carter Capps + Tim Anderson + MiLB 44

[Orgfiller]

To TCA: Franklin Barreto + Christian Pache + MiLB 58

 

To Orgfiller: Francis Martes + Carter Capps + Tim Anderson + MiLB 44

 

Confirmed.

[Dr. Dinger]

Wo... BP put an 80 OFP on Robles.

[Dr. Dinger]

Top Talents 25 and Under (born 4/1/1992 or after):

 

1) Bryce Harper

2) Victor Robles

3) Trea Turner

 

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Um... wat

[BTS]

Still looking to move Kole Calhoun and Mychal Givens.

[The Cats Ass]

Wo... BP put an 80 OFP on Robles.

 

Top Talents 25 and Under (born 4/1/1992 or after):

 

1) Bryce Harper

2) Victor Robles

3) Trea Turner

 

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Um... wat

 

Pretty sure it was already decided BP was dumb. Probably equal to Bleacher report. Robles will just be another Billy Hamilton.

[Laika]

Top Talents 25 and Under (born 4/1/1992 or after):

 

1) Bryce Harper

2) Victor Robles

3) Trea Turner

 

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Um... wat

 

hahaha